Endless questions about Spurs authenticity are joyless

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  1. Gaz_Gammon

    Gaz_Gammon Well-Known Member

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    I think very much that they do in fact understand the difference between those two years you quoted, but are too stupid to comprehend how the club (and i mean the whole club) are changing the narrative that you do not have to spend big to be successful.

    Now how one judges that "success" depends on the media's narrative, and most of the driven media nowdays are ex players coming from clubs that have spent by the hundreds of millions to win. That is the crux of the matter.

    If half of those prejudice journalists had read Poch's book (and i finished it last night) then they would understand that all that glitters does not have to cost the price of gold, and that hard work and dedication can produce success. I think that Poch has produced seventeen Internationals since he joined Southampton, and for the money spent to acquire each one of those players you may have got a whole Pogba for.

    That is what the press cannot understand, refuse to and are looking quite stupid beyond reproach for not even attempting to do so.
     
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  2. Yakflange

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    It was fun for the first few thousand articles, but it really is ridiculous now. The media seem to be off Arsenal's back a bit the last couple of weeks, but one or two bad results and it'll start again.
     
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  3. Yakflange

    Yakflange Active Member

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    That makes perfect sense, providing you conveniently ignore the fact that there are always loads of pundits and journalists who praise Spurs for these qualities.
     
  4. brendanb50

    brendanb50 Well-Known Member

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    Definitely - they're waiting to jump on them, the goons have very much primed themselves for it though - not only with their mismanagement in recent years but with a couple of key men potentially leaving in Jan/summer. Bad results or players leaving and they'll be getting pelters left and right. I love it personally though, we've been through a lot worse.
     
  5. Kiedis

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    I agree to a point but you still get simpletons suggesting that we would allow key players to go to Man United by drawing Berbatov and Carrick out of the hat as examples, and also using Bale and Modric as examples that we're a "selling club" almost sexually aroused by selling key players. Conveniently forgetting that once Real Madrid or Barcelona get into the equation, then all clubs tend to be bending over. Man United, Liverpool and Bayern Munchen alike.
     
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  6. spursfan77

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    There are, and it is changing, but they say it on one hand and then can't help saying, on the other, things like "Kane needs to leave" "Spurs need to win something"
     
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  7. Kspur

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    Don’t agree. They favour the teams who are proven winners as they can spout more in greater security about how good they are.

    City do not have more fans than us
     
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  8. tiger666

    tiger666 Large member

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    Spurs Twitter: 2.4m
    Spurs Facebook: 8.6m

    Man City Twitter: 5.1m
    Man City Facebook: 27.6m
     
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  9. SpunkyBackpack

    SpunkyBackpack Well-Known Member

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    Absolute horseshit
     
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  10. Kspur

    Kspur Active Member

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    I recall a Newcastle fan using that same flawed logic to justify his assertion they were a bigger club. Some random following on Twitter is not a fan putting money into the club. Most of those probably follow Chelsea etc too.
     
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  11. tiger666

    tiger666 Large member

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    Call it whatever you want. They have a greater media following than us.
     
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  12. Mr Pink

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    Yes every Club will be subjected to some negative press, that's inevitable.

    Conspiracy and agenda are words that don't really desribe what's happening regarding Spurs and media coverage.

    However i think it's reasonable, and accurate, to say there has been a general lack of respect towards Spurs in the media for sometime.

    It's slowly starting to change now with some pundits. You hear the likes of Neville, the one who has probably been the most consistently praise worthy, particularly of Poch for sometime. More recently Ian Wright and Bellamy - who's comments were brilliant I thought.

    But there has been a general lack of respect towards us in the media. We've been punching above our weight for some time and just keep progressing and getting stronger, growing organically and playing some fantastic football with a core group of young English players.

    It's just rarely acknowledged, that we're consistently outperforming most of our competitors from a disadvantaged position, and doing so in style.

    Compare and contrast to the zillions Mourinho has spent and the football he serves up.

    For the first time recently though I think it's slowly going to start changing.

    Listening to Craig Bellamy's comments was surreal.
     
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  13. eddiev14

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    They talk about us winning trophies because they don’t want to admit that trophies basically amount to fuck all these days.

    It’s only really winning the league or Champions League that would put these stories to bed for a short while. Like winning an FA Cup will make an iota of difference to the narrative of these hacks. Yeah, right!

    Because, whether they admit it or not, ultimately they know it’s all about cash now. Cold, hard cash.

    Which is why they don’t do much of this bullshit with Liverpool. Despite being at a similar sort of level to us, they have a wage bill much higher than ours so their players can’t as easily be prised away.

    Finding a way to fund the wages is our biggest challenge to dispel this shit, because they players will win pots if we keep this group together.
     
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  14. Woodyy

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    At the end of the day the club is there to entertain the fans, without the fans there is no club. If the fans are enjoying it then I think the club is successful, I think I speak for 99% of us in saying that I enjoy being a Spurs fan way more in 2017 than I do in 2008. It's not for Danny pissing Higginbotham to decide whether or not we are successful. Like everyone else has said it's such poor and lazy journalism to measure success only against silverware.
     
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  15. Yakflange

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    Trophies basically amount to fuck all? Eh?

    I agree that you can also measure the success of a club by performances, entertainment, the wider aspects of the club (bringing through youth, financially balanced, new stadium, etc.), but to say that trophies don't count for anything is nonsense. It's perfectly natural for the media to question our ability to win trophies until we actually do. This is not bias or conspiracy. The media also heap lots of praise on us.

    What has football being all about cash got to do with media reporting? It's frequently acknowledged that we're punching above our weight, so what's the issue?

    Liverpool may be at a similar level to us now, but since we last won the FA Cup they've won nine major trophies, including the Champions League. Yes they've got more cash, but they're way more successful. There is plenty of negative media reporting about them, and Coutinho to Barcelona was a constant story all summer.
     
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    Assuming there is bias or a conspiracy against us (which there isn't, it's nonsense), can anyone explain why? What would the media gain from it? Why us and not other clubs?
     
  17. guiltyparty

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    Exactly. A modern club’s strength is measured in international size and social media is a barometer of that. Indeed, this will affect the size of sponsorship deals. It’s part of the whole City franchise scheme, raises awareness of the brand globally
     
  18. guiltyparty

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    It’s because a) we’ve till last few years been insignificant and the media only focus on narratives - big money, big winners, big losers, big followings. Any history before the Premier League is treated as quaint.

    b) Levy is disliked by the media and is a figure of fun. Some of it because of Redknapp but broadly. All this current praise is for Poch - they’re trying to pry him away as they do any Spurs player. Once he leaves I expect them to shift back again and build it up as an impossible act to follow and heap pressure on the next guy.
     
  19. Graysonti

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    Not dismissing your numbers but something don’t sit right with that - it’s puzzling.

    On a match day I would guess we easily have more fans - they struggle now ffs.

    So why the difference ? I would guess some manipulation.

    I hear followers can be bought?

    Somethings manipulated there? Or maybe it’s kids of today love a ‘bandwagon ‘ ? Solena Gomez has got 50m followers and even a Towie star can hit 1m
     
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  20. absolute bobbins

    absolute bobbins Vous Êtes Des Assassins

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    Social media followers are not a metric to use for your argument.
     
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