Endless questions about Spurs authenticity are joyless

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  1. Matty miller

    Matty miller Member

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    I take everything as a complement. They are scared they know we’re on the brink. It might take another 3-4 years. We might lose 1-2 players along the way but it’s coming and they all know it. The Liverpool/Man U biased pundits all know it.
     
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  2. JimmyG2

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    We've had some great players,
    make you own list
    but few great sides.
    Sum less than its parts syndrome.
    Now we have a young team
    that is greater than the sum of its parts.

    It's a Magical Mystery Tour.
    Enjoy the ride.
     
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  3. Phomesy

    Phomesy Well-Known Member

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    Longest Haiku ever?
     
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  4. JimmyG2

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    Longer haikus no.
    They all have a set pattern.
    This is a haiku.

    3 Lines 17 syllables 5/7/5 syllables.
    There are other forms but mine is none of them.
    Its random.
     
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  5. Lighty64

    Lighty64 Glory Glory

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    I started going in the 70's too, though my 1st ever was in 74, the trouble now is compared to the 70's 80's our most consistent era since I followed Spurs in being in the running for cups and even the league, but now days it's not the same at all. bar Leicester's freak season the teams that have won anything either bought it, or just been a big club that did it the right way (grrrrr Arse after Wenger 1st joined, consistant for 10 yrs).

    football is so different now and it's more a business, all about money and hoping the rich boys trip up. Football changed at the exact wrong time for us, just as we were facing bankruptcy the Premier league, and sky money came into it, UEFA change the structure of their cup comps at a time we as a nation was banned from Europe. even silly things like changing and allowing 3 subs with 7 players sitting on the bench has strengthen the rich boys powers (7 players sitting on the bench and still being paid stupid wages) and allowing you to have a bench that covers every position (in the 80's if your keeper got injured or sent off, you had players like Hoddle between the post).

    like today in the 80's I used to look forwards to our next match the minute one game finished in every comp (though due to mobility issues it's via the TV and crap streaming), only difference now is every comp is a lot harder to win, making trophies a lot harder to win now days, and unfortunately because of the money involved in getting a top 4 finish it has devalued the domestic cups so bad that when a team is in a position of getting there, teams don't play their strongest team.

    yes I'd be very happy if we could win any trophy, but not at the expense of hopefully winning the League, and because we have had a small chance the last few seasons we have suffered competing for the domestic cups bar losing last season, last seasons FA Cup semi's I believe would of been so different if Rose had been fit, and Walker hadn't fell out with Poch.

    the trouble with the media is 99% of them either played for or follow the top 5 clubs in the money list, and they do not like us doing it the way we are, and say what they say because deep down they are jealous.

    what will need to change is we will have to start paying our players nearer to what they can earn at other teams, and on the field hopefully get lucky in the fixture in cups that allows us to be able to rotate. not being funny but if we are as good as cemented for top 4, but no chance of catching the team at the top (unless that's us) and we are in the quarters of the FA Cup we will be able to field a team capable, but CL is important to take into the new stadium, and will be till it's paid off.
     
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  6. pook

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    I really don't get folks having issues with the media. we are in a position that runs counter to the accepted narrative of modern football. Us being in that position brings with it quite rational questions that simply cannot be answered until ... er ... until they are answered.

    When Leicester City were pissing the League a couple seasons back, the press - after rightly praising them to the heavens - kept asking, 'but can they keep it up? can they sustain it?' And I remember loads of LCFC fans moaning and moaning about it, as though folks should just dwell on the praising bit and ignore the (frankly obvious) question. Well, in the end, Ranieri's squad answered them, so fair enough. But in the meantime, Leicester fans saying 'we're for real! stop questioning if we're for real!' - right though they may have been - was never going to be the definitive answer. The team had to prove it.

    So it is with us. Levy, Pochettino, and his team get no less praise than they deserve - we are broadly admired, and rightly so. But for all our improvement, the question as to whether we'll win anything is still out there - and it will remain out there until we do. Wishing that others would stop asking it won't make it any different. Are we going to win something? I want to know, myself. Even if we don't, I will have loved what we've done under Poch. But the question is still there - and it won't be answered until it's answered.
     
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  7. shelfmonkey

    shelfmonkey It's all codswallop

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    Fair enough, but, Leicester, nor any other club has had the media constantly and consistently touting their best players and manager to all the top clubs in Europe, Klopp has done sweet fa at Liverpool compared to what Poch has done at Spurs, but all he gets are accolades, you never here the media saying 'Liverpool must win something or else all their best players will leave and so will Klopp!'
     
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  8. Lighty64

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    that's because the majority of the media now days are ex Liverpool, or they follow Liverpool, plus some of their lower earners are still on more money than our top 1's
     
  9. pook

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    I dunno. I remember loads of pundits saying Leicester would struggle to hold onto the likes of Mahrez and Vardy in the summer following their title. I also remember LC fans bemoaning the fact.

    I suppose you may be right about Liverpool/Klopp, but then, I don't know that they've got as many players as likely to turn heads at the behemoths as we do. I do recall there being a lot of stuff about Coutinho to Barca during the window. But then again, Liverpool fans tend to be so delusional about their 'pull' that they probably don't sweat that folks might prefer the likes of li'l ol' 13-times champions of Europe, Madrid. I don't pretend to know.

    Anyway, all I can say is that I'm not terribly bothered about folks asking the questions. All of these players are going to hear the voices of agents, family members, etc. - people of influence (and who stand to profit by a player's bigger contract) - all the time. I really can't see any of them saying, 'that's it! ... Ian Wright says it's time to go. I'm off.'

    At any rate, Walker's decision and Rose's comments make it perfectly clear that the questions are there, whether they are articulated or not. I suppose it would be nicer if folks just didn't bring it up, so fair enough. But they seem like rational enough queries, to my thinking.
     
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  10. shelfmonkey

    shelfmonkey It's all codswallop

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    So what is the narrative? Spurs need to win trophies or Spurs need to pay the players more?
     
  11. shelfmonkey

    shelfmonkey It's all codswallop

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    Walker and Rose's actions and comments say more about them than anything else.
     
  12. Lighty64

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    to be honest I don't know. if we started winning trophies tomorrow the media will bang on that our players should be on more money, once the they are on money it will still be they need trophies, until we are doing both no one knows, but most probably will then go onto reporting that we still can't match what RM, Barca, Chelsea, Manch clubs and PSG pay.
     
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  13. shelfmonkey

    shelfmonkey It's all codswallop

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    Because we're not one of the 'establishment', shall we say, we'll always be in a no win situation regarding the media, imo.
     
  14. pook

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    I think it's that we need to do one or the other. And I get (and agree) that should we accomplish one, we'll still end up getting questions about the other. But the fundamental question that I seem to be hearing is 'how long can Spurs keep their best players without providing either silverware or top money?'; the presumption being that players of ambition are going to be motivated by, if not both, at least one of these.

    ... or maybe it's just what I keep asking myself. For the record, I absolutely love the degree of success that Levy's/Poch's model for retention has provided thus far - Walker's move and Rose's comments notwithstanding.

    I also think that to some extent, the question is a direct consequence of Harry's initial answer to why he's not shown interest in any of the offers he could surely provoke, if so inclined. He's said that he loves to be here and that as long as the club's aspirations match his own, this is where he wants to be ( :love::love::love: ). But he's also said that his aspirations revolve around trophies - lots and lots of them. So what does that mean? That Harry needs to be somewhere that he can win lots and lots of trophies? Or that Harry needs to be somewhere that aspires (as he does) to win lots and lots of trophies? And on which counts does Spurs qualify?

    Anyone saying that Harry Kane needs to move on can f*ck right off, to my mind. But wondering doesn't seem that irrational to me. And however distasteful one may find it, expecting the speculation to go away (if, in fact, anyone is) rather does.
     
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    I just find it all depressing. I grew up in an era when the national team was the biggest deal in football. Winning the world cup was the pinnacle of any career.

    Currently as spurs fans we all support the team that has an abundance of home grown talent, a manager that develops players and we're the club that comfortably contributes the most to the national cause. Had we been like this in the 80s or 90s our fan base and media support would be huge.

    And yet instead of the media lauding us for this, all they can do is obsess over money and whether or not we'll hang on to our players. I love football as a sport but there's no honour, no expectation of loyalty, and it's overrun by greed. That's what it's sadly become. It's about buying success and instant gratification - which is why the millennials with their sense of entitlement will all flock to support chelsea, city and the super rich, and the pundits will continue to encourage buying success.
     
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  16. spursfan77

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    To take a quote from this: "Spurs shouldn’t live in a consequence-free world and certainly receive enough praise to soften periodic criticism, but rarely before has a team existed in such a perpetual state of assessment."

    Are we missing something here. Maybe we as fans need to realise this is how its always been for Man Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea. A loss puts them under massive scrutiny. Now was are a top class team, we are now under this high level of scrutiny too?

    The media expect us to win every game now. So when we don't, we will get hammered for it.
     
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    If I could winner this, I would a million times over. Spot on.
     

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