Eric Dier

[shelfboy68]

Jim White is a fucking ringpiece, that smarmy face and know it all voice, he's just begging Man U to sign Dier so he can get his mobile phone out with all his 'agent contacts' out on the table and perhaps stop hitting on the SSN girls for a few seconds.

Sorry for the above but been away at the weekend and thought the Dier to Man U story had died a death, only to put SSN on when I got home and see him smirking/begging for some development with the deal. Hands off Man U, Dier has faults but he's still young and so important to our squad.

Luckily for us that decision doesn't rest with Mr white regarding dier, even if the manager decides he is surplus which he won't do then levy would nail their bollocks to the table.
But again I can't envisage this happening otherwise what message does that send out to players and fan's alike, or indeed our rivals it would suggest that we are not involved.
Like I said Jim white is nothing more than a newsreader who has an inflated opinion of himself but knows fuck all about our club.

 

[worcestersauce]

Luckily for us that decision doesn't rest with Mr white regarding dier, even if the manager decides he is surplus which he won't do then levy would nail their bollocks to the table.
But again I can't envisage this happening otherwise what message does that send out to players and fan's alike, or indeed our rivals it would suggest that we are not involved.
Like I said Jim white is nothing more than a newsreader who has an inflated opinion of himself but knows fuck all about our club.

Not just our club.

 

[knowlespurs]

Matic now signed for Man u so cant see him going now

 

[Lou3000]

I love Eric Dier and Eric Dier loves me, but of the players in our squad, surely he is one that has a number attached right? He's been bang average when playing CB and he has some clear limitations at CDM. Wanyama was a massive upgrade.

Dier's best attributes seem to be versatility and that he's a hard worker. Also, Dele loves him.

 

[morris25]

Eric is not first choice anything. I would of taken £50m and bought a decent CB so we can play 3 at the back

 

[SpartanSpur]

Eric is not first choice anything. I would of taken £50m and bought a decent CB so we can play 3 at the back

I love Eric Dier and Eric Dier loves me, but of the players in our squad, surely he is one that has a number attached right? He's been bang average when playing CB and he has some clear limitations at CDM. Wanyama was a massive upgrade.

Dier's best attributes seem to be versatility and that he's a hard worker. Also, Dele loves him.

Have to disagree with all of these, I'm delighted Utd went for Matic:-

• Key part of the Poch revolution
• I hope we never sell a player to Utd (or any Mourinho) side ever again. Statement made.
• Strong attitude, leadership mentality
• Highly versatile, one of Poch's favourites
• Very good DM with good tactical discipline (he was wanted for a reason)
• Much better than 'bang average' in a 3CB set up, especially in possession.
• He, along with Dele, seem a key part of our team spirit
• What's the point of having extra money? I'm far from confident in us taking advantage of it the way this window is shaping up.

 

[Ben1]

Has the widely held opinion that dier is a shite, overrated, dawdling thug incapable of playing in midfield always been held by many fans or has it come about due to a bit of dubious itk saying he wanted United and dodgy performances in meaningless pre season friendlies. I swear most people considered him significant in our squad (could be very wrong, I certainly think he's a vital cog) and now the tide seems to have changed to a 50-50 split at best. Aka the Kyle walker effect.

 

[Cravenspurs]

Have to disagree with all of these, I'm delighted Utd went for Matic:-

• Key part of the Poch revolution
• I hope we never sell a player to Utd (or any Mourinho) side ever again. Statement made.
• Strong attitude, leadership mentality
• Highly versatile, one of Poch's favourites
• Very good DM with good tactical discipline (he was wanted for a reason)
• Much better than 'bang average' in a 3CB set up, especially in possession.
• He, along with Dele, seem a key part of our team spirit
• What's the point of having extra money? I'm far from confident in us taking advantage of it the way this window is shaping up.

Has the widely held opinion that dier is a shite, overrated, dawdling thug incapable of playing in midfield always been held by a lot of our fans or has it come about due to a bit of dubious itk saying he wanted United and dodgy performances in meaningless pre season friendlies. I swear most people considered him significant in our squad (could be very wrong, I certainly think he's a vital cog) and now the tide seems to have changed to a 50-50 split at best. Aka the Kyle walker effect.

I was all Dier his second year here when he partnered with Dembele in the midfield. He seemed to just sit and disrupt play and allowed Dembele to move the ball forward. I still thought the buildup portion of play needed an uptick in pace, but Eric looked really lively in the midfield.

Flash forward a year or two and I have seen a major decline in his play in the center of the pitch. Maybe this is just due to being caught out and teams are now aware that all you have to due is pressure him to disrupt our play, but there is no way in hell I want him in the center of the pitch against the likes of City, Pool, Chelsea and other high pressing teams. Why? He plain and simply doesn't have the technical ability or agility to wiggle out of tight spaces. He is a CB through and through and for some reason he has the mentality that he isn't.

In addition to his lack of technical ability, I have seen his mental game slow down a bit. No matter where he is on the pitch he takes too long to release the ball and in some cases gets dispossessed or makes an errant pass.

I do love his versatility and he does have some ability in the middle of the pitch when playing lower level teams that we just sit on and never allow to move the ball, but when against tougher comp he has to be in the back three, where most of his strengths are allowed to shine. He has a nice long ball on him and he is under less pressure, thus he makes fewer mental errors.

I personally think Mourinho got the better deal this window. Matic is much more technical than Eric and he is also a better shield IMO. I didn't want to ship Eric out, but in theory if we got 50m for him and we could have gotten a Seri or Mawson in so that we had more of traditionalist in either position, rather than a kid that seems to be caught between two roles.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

Eric is not first choice anything. I would of taken £50m and bought a decent CB so we can play 3 at the back

Dier started nearly all of our games last season.

We played 3 at the back last season.

We had the best defence last season.

 

[Ben1]

I was all Dier his second year here when he partnered with Dembele in the midfield. He seemed to just sit and disrupt play and allowed Dembele to move the ball forward. I still thought the buildup portion of play needed an uptick in pace, but Eric looked really lively in the midfield.

Flash forward a year or two and I have seen a major decline in his play in the center of the pitch. Maybe this is just due to being caught out and teams are now aware that all you have to due is pressure him to disrupt our play, but there is no way in hell I want him in the center of the pitch against the likes of City, Pool, Chelsea and other high pressing teams. Why? He plain and simply doesn't have the technical ability or agility to wiggle out of tight spaces. He is a CB through and through and for some reason he has the mentality that he isn't.

In addition to his lack of technical ability, I have seen his mental game slow down a bit. No matter where he is on the pitch he takes too long to release the ball and in some cases gets dispossessed or makes an errant pass.

I do love his versatility and he does have some ability in the middle of the pitch when playing lower level teams that we just sit on and never allow to move the ball, but when against tougher comp he has to be in the back three, where most of his strengths are allowed to shine. He has a nice long ball on him and he is under less pressure, thus he makes fewer mental errors.

I personally think Mourinho got the better deal this window. Matic is much more technical than Eric and he is also a better shield IMO. I didn't want to ship Eric out, but in theory if we got 50m for him and we could have gotten a Seri or Mawson in so that we had more of traditionalist in either position, rather than a kid that seems to be caught between two roles.

Being endlessly moved about wont help the flow of his play at all I imagine. His versatility should be a bonus NOT a necessity because we don't want to buy a proper centre half. The press generally hinders a lot of teams, we've hurt a lot of good defenders with it.

Mourinho got a good deal with matic, but age, versatility etc all played a part in the valuations. Those moves look great on paper but we need a CB like mawson anyhow without dier moving and Seri, he's another player who would need to settle into the league, playing the toughest position...a lot of players talk about the pace of play here and there's no assurances of good players abroad dealing with a frantic press here. Dier just needs to get the mojo back a tad.

 

[nedley]

Hopefully he can now get his head right (If it was ever wrong) after Utds interest.

He's definately lost abit of form.

 

[SpartanSpur]

there is no way in hell I want him in the center of the pitch against the likes of City, Pool, Chelsea and other high pressing teams. Why? He plain and simply doesn't have the technical ability or agility to wiggle out of tight spaces.

Personally I'd argue our woes away at the top sides are due to tactical naivety on part of not only the whole team but also the coaching staff. It is certainly not located firmly on Dier. We back ourselves and our philosophy way too much in these situations IMHO, and it keeps costing us.

in theory if we got 50m for him and we could have gotten a Seri or Mawson in so that we had more of traditionalist in either position, rather than a kid that seems to be caught between two roles.

In theory we shouldn't need to sell a key player to fund £50m of squad building, especially after already losing Walker. Also no guarantees we'd get those players in for the same money currently, and that's before considering that Seri (who I like) is not even a DM. Mawson I like also but would make more sense to get him in by moving Wimmer on. It's the intangibles that made keeping Dier key for me anyway. He's a fully integrated key player that covers numerous positions and the manager trusts fully, not to mention making a stand vs Utd.

As for Matic being better, he certainly wasn't to my eyes last season, and all the Chelsea supporters I (unfortunately) know were slating him all season.

As you said all in theory it could make sense, but for me there is much more to it than that. Walker deal looked good in theory but right now it doesn't look good at all. Hopefully that will change by Sept 1st by helping to fund the 3-4 incomings we need.

 

[Clark28]

I see him as a CB (even if he apparently wants otherwise) and at 23 he's still young-ish for a CB, with plenty of time to continue improving.

 

[Trix]

Has the widely held opinion that dier is a shite, overrated, dawdling thug incapable of playing in midfield always been held by many fans or has it come about due to a bit of dubious itk saying he wanted United and dodgy performances in meaningless pre season friendlies. I swear most people considered him significant in our squad (could be very wrong, I certainly think he's a vital cog) and now the tide seems to have changed to a 50-50 split at best. Aka the Kyle walker effect.

I think you are possibly referring to me (as I have not seen anyone else suggest Dier might go), if so I never said he wanted to go to United, just that he really wanted to play in midfield.

 

[Spurs' Pipe Dreams]

I think you are possibly referring to me (as I have not seen anyone else suggest Dier might go), if so I never said he wanted to go to United, just that he really wanted to play in midfield.

Don't think it was you he's inferring to, there was some "ITK" friend of a friend stuff earlier in the thread, unverified and some believed it. Not that it wasn't passed on in good faith but there's a reason why some ITKers are verified and considered proper, whilst other are just hearsay (which I guess it all is really?!).

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Don't think it was you he's inferring to, there was some "ITK" friend of a friend stuff earlier in the thread, unverified and some believed it. Not that it wasn't passed on in good faith but there's a reason why some ITKers are verified and considered proper, whilst other are just hearsay (which I guess it all is really?!).

Exactly. The friend of a friend stuff shouldn't really be treated as 'proper' ITK and needs more salt than you'd usually apply. Anyone taking it the same way as you would with verified ITK is being more than a touch silly, but that doesn't mean they are open to abuse or ridicule.

Generally, 'proper' or verified ITK finds its way into the Read Only. Anything else needs double or triple doses of salt.

 

[Trix]

@Simon Monastyrskyj

Why is my last post creative? It's exactly what I said.

 

[thekneaf]

I think England desperately needing him to play CM at the world cup is the root of this midfield obsession. He wants to lock down a first team spot and sees DM more likely than CB.

When he played in midfield for us, he spent most of his time splitting the CBs when the full backs bombed forward. That was the huge benefit of him. In 3421 that's never needed. Even Wanyama had to step up in that system and be more proactive with the ball.

I never thought for a second we'd lose him thks season. He embodies Poch's attitude on the pitch.

 

[Wirral Spurs]

I think you are possibly referring to me (as I have not seen anyone else suggest Dier might go), if so I never said he wanted to go to United, just that he really wanted to play in midfield.

The midfield bit was spot on. The friend of a friend bit was from me and is correct. I didn't say he would go either actually just he was keen on United.

 

[nicdic]

Can't believe the way some of our fans talk about Dier.