Everton being sold to US investors

[Hoops]

In the daily fail today.

Youd think clubs would learn their lesson by now not to take any more Americans? Not a dig at Americans per se, but people who know absolutely nothing about what they are getting involved in.

 

[Lilbaz]

In the daily fail today.

Youd think clubs would learn their lesson by now not to take any more Americans? Not a dig at Americans per se, but people who know absolutely nothing about what they are getting involved in.

Which is most owners to be fair.

 

[michaelden]

Lol, stadium share with livers will become a possibility now.

Or maybe they'll just move their "franchise" to Bath....

If the new investors respect the fans enough to at least listen and back Martinez then they will have a good team and be scaring Liverpool us and the rest of the teams that sit in the 2nd tier of the epl

 

[Hoops]

Which is most owners to be fair.

And its a damn shame. How many non european owners actually know what they are doing?

At least Roman goes to the games. The Sheik can just spend out of trouble. The rest are waste of time.

FSG, Lerner, Ellis Short, Glazers. Tan, Venkys, Hul City..theyre all clueless leeches.

 

[Lilbaz]

And its a damn shame. How many non european owners actually know what they are doing?

At least Roman goes to the games. The Sheik can just spend out of trouble. The rest are waste of time.

FSG, Lerner, Ellis Short, Glazers. Tan, Venkys, Hul City..theyre all clueless leeches.

A few english owners as well. Ask Newcastle.

 

[Flynn]

Part of it is the need for the supporters to have realistic expectations. It's not just on the owners.

 

[CJMurray]

Lol, stadium share with livers will become a possibility now.

Or maybe they'll just move their "franchise" to Bath....

If the new investors respect the fans enough to at least listen and back Martinez then they will have a good team and be scaring Liverpool us and the rest of the teams that sit in the 2nd tier of the epl

As if Everton will ever do anything under that fraud Martinez. They're the biggest soft touch in the league now because of him.

 

[michaelden]

As if Everton will ever do anything under that fraud Martinez. They're the biggest soft touch in the league now because of him.

I was just highlighting how US owners have been successful here and a few of the practises they do in the US with regards to their sporting franchises.

On Martinez though, i'm a bit shocked at his underperforming at Everton. I did rate him and thought he had done well previously

 

[heelspurs]

In the daily fail today. Youd think clubs would learn their lesson by now not to take any more Americans? Not a dig at Americans per se, but people who know absolutely nothing about what they are getting involved in.

Of course not. However could that broadly brushed generalization be taken as a dig? go on...

And its a damn shame. How many non european owners actually know what they are doing? At least Roman goes to the games. The Sheik can just spend out of trouble. The rest are waste of time. FSG, Lerner, Ellis Short, Glazers. Tan, Venkys, Hul City..theyre all clueless leeches.

So exactly what is the actual bee in your bonnet? 'Cause if I am not mistaken Roman, he of many games a' going, started/exacerbated this money arms' race. But then again I presume the mini-money arms' race was ok when it was just good, well mannered & bred englishmen right?

Money has always played a part and there have always been clueless ENGLISH owners (bates & everything he touched, leeds, pompey, Hell even Spurs, etc). But I guess it was ok when they were your own folks huh? Why don't you focus on the venal English owners selling out their fans. Let me take a guess your the type of guy that would blame the guy sleeping with your missus instead of your missus for allowing him?

And in no way would I want footy to adopt an american franchise model (love rel/pro) but there are a lot of things that the PL could learn from our sports. Revenue sharing for one thus mitigating the financial advantage of financial heavyweights, benefits of higher population centers, leveling the playing field giving each team a fair chance at winning it all.

And we have a shitload of very good owners in our sports. Maybe that venn diagram doesn't overlap with the football knowledgeable but to make the statements you do is outrageous. Plus, most of these people are not the executive running the football part. That would be Englishmen fucking it up: FSG=ian ayre, ellis short = although chairman, there is an english woman that handles most things & before that niall quinn, glazers = woodward. How many teams not run by the fantastic businessman that is Daniel Levy been run into the ground after Englishmen 'Arry the bung king did his dirty work? The lerner point is fairly made but even he spent time as a youth in england and developed a love of english footy.

You don't have to be english/european to know football, which is the implication of your posts. Reading this forum and many others will provide evidence of this. You do however have to be English to be arrogant enough to presume that. Reading this forum and many others will provide evidence of this (not a copy error).

 

[CJMurray]

I was just highlighting how US owners have been successful here and a few of the practises they do in the US with regards to their sporting franchises.

On Martinez though, i'm a bit shocked at his underperforming at Everton. I did rate him and thought he had done well previously

Which US owners have been successful here? Glazers/Gillette-Hicks/FSG/Randy Lerner have all pretty much failed miserably.

Martinez is an absolute fraud. Couldn't organise a defence to save his life. He was bragging a couple weeks ago about how he has the best young talent in Europe, while he had them 12th in the league.

 

[heelspurs]

Which US owners have been successful here? Glazers/Gillette-Hicks/FSG/Randy Lerner have all pretty much failed miserably.

Martinez is an absolute fraud. Couldn't organise a defence to save his life. He was bragging a couple weeks ago about how he has the best young talent in Europe, while he had them 12th in the league.

what exactly is your success/failure criteria and threshold? Just wondering, not debating that any of them have been "successful". Glazers just won 3 years ago. Kroenke is MSH of the arse and they are "successful" by most measures. Short owns sunderland which is NO WORSE OFF than the nightmare that Englishman Ashley has made of the bigger/badder NUFC.

This "american owners suck" BS is another instance of conventional wisdom growing out of long held and easily disseminated ignorance, xenophobia, and English arrogance about their position in the football world. And 'murkins who parrot that crap are either ignorant or attempting to ingratiate themselves. The Villa/Lerner situation cannot be defended and I shall not attempt that futile process.

 

[heelspurs]

@rich75 I now see things differently thanks to your well reasoned and clearly worded counter argument. Your rhetorical skills are beyond reproach.

 

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[CJMurray]

what exactly is your success/failure criteria and threshold? Just wondering, not debating that any of them have been "successful". Glazers just won 3 years ago. Kroenke is MSH of the arse and they are "successful" by most measures. Short owns sunderland which is NO WORSE OFF than the nightmare that Englishman Ashley has made of the bigger/badder NUFC.

This "american owners suck" BS is another instance of conventional wisdom growing out of long held and easily disseminated ignorance, xenophobia, and English arrogance about their position in the football world. And 'murkins who parrot that crap are either ignorant or attempting to ingratiate themselves. The Villa/Lerner situation cannot be defended and I shall not attempt that futile process.

Christ, someones a bit precious.

I'll just start off by saying that i've got nothing against American people or owners. Didn't even slag them off so I don't know why you've just gone off on my post. I just don't think we've had any successful ones over here yet. The Glazers came over and absolutely saddled the club with debt, but they had Fergie so obviously they were going to continue to win trophies and be successful while he was there. Since he's gone they've been a mess with absolutely no direction or clear plan from the top down, just throwing money about at players. Their academy has stagnated and they've dropped from 1st to possibly 5th.

Don't think Kroenke's really done anything for Arsenal either. Their fans absolutely hate him as he does nothing yet sucks out millions from the club every year.

Sunderland are a fucking terrible mess. Don't give a shit about Newcastle as I never claimed that English chairmen are better than Americans.

Gillette and Hicks were one of the worst things that's ever happened to Liverpool. FSG haven't really changed much, they back the manager with funds so credit to them for that but they've certainly not been successful.

 

[heelspurs]

Christ, someones a bit precious.

I'll just start off by saying that i've got nothing against American people or owners. Didn't even slag them off so I don't know why you've just gone off on my post. I just don't think we've had any successful ones over here yet. The Glazers came over and absolutely saddled the club with debt, but they had Fergie so obviously they were going to continue to win trophies and be successful while he was there. Since he's gone they've been a mess with absolutely no direction or clear plan from the top down, just throwing money about at players. Their academy has stagnated and they've dropped from 1st to possibly 5th.

Don't think Kroenke's really done anything for Arsenal either. Their fans absolutely hate him as he does nothing yet sucks out millions from the club every year.

Sunderland are a fucking terrible mess. Don't give a shit about Newcastle as I never claimed that English chairmen are better than Americans.

Gillette and Hicks were one of the worst things that's ever happened to Liverpool. FSG haven't really changed much, they back the manager with funds so credit to them for that but they've certainly not been successful.

I am neither precious nor did I "go off". And I am glad that you have no preconceived animus toward 'Murkins. However you were building a narrative with:

Which US owners have been successful here? Glazers/Gillette-Hicks/FSG/Randy Lerner have all pretty much failed miserably

See, you absolutely did imply, in keeping with the general nature of the posts previous and to counter @michaelden points, that which I chose to address. And I just asked for your criteria not a rundown of negative aspects of any particular clubs. Give me a metric so that I can utilize it against ALL owners thereby dispelling this oft-parroted piece of conventional wisdom. 4 different critieria for 4 different owners is self-serving of your point but no more elucidative than your previous conjecture. Who care if fans hate Kroenke? Does that support your argument of his failings? Some people hate Levy? Is he a bad chairman (depends on your metric)? I hope you don't justify you beliefs on what the masses think?

And no you never explicitly said English chairmen were any better. But you did explicitly point out that these American owner have "failed". Unless you have an absolute measure of failure/success then it is all relative. And to point out that 1 relatively fails that means the other relative succeeds. We both know this right? And it is as disingenuous to disavow it now as it was to claim me "precious" for calling you out about it.

 

[Lilbaz]

what exactly is your success/failure criteria and threshold? Just wondering, not debating that any of them have been "successful". Glazers just won 3 years ago. Kroenke is MSH of the arse and they are "successful" by most measures. Short owns sunderland which is NO WORSE OFF than the nightmare that Englishman Ashley has made of the bigger/badder NUFC.

This "american owners suck" BS is another instance of conventional wisdom growing out of long held and easily disseminated ignorance, xenophobia, and English arrogance about their position in the football world. And 'murkins who parrot that crap are either ignorant or attempting to ingratiate themselves. The Villa/Lerner situation cannot be defended and I shall not attempt that futile process.

So one poster say's he doesn't think american owners have done a good job and you paint it as english arrogance? Ignoring the fact that english posters have pointed out that other owners have done as bad or worse.

Maybe you should look in the mirror when talking about xenophobia.

 

[heelspurs]

So one poster say's he doesn't think american owners have done a good job and you paint it as english arrogance? Ignoring the fact that english posters have pointed out that other owners have done as bad or worse. Maybe you should look in the mirror when talking about xenophobia.

Now we both know that that is a blatantly poor characterization of the goings-on. If you read my post and fully understood them you wouldn't be coming at me lodging spurious accusations my way.

How many non european owners actually know what they are doing?

FSG, Lerner, Ellis Short, Glazers. Tan, Venkys, Hul City..theyre all clueless leeches.

And however could I have come to my conclusions? And it is not just 1 poster. Admittedly, @CJMurray comments were not remotely as bad as these but he uncritically repeated the same underlying point though not the sentiment. Yes, some English posters (I assume that most on this board are) have attempted to balance out the discussion. I never said they didn't. But why must I address the English posters that attempted to balance the debate? That seems pretty silly as they were not the ones with which I took umbrage. Why is the onus on me to address the offensive statements and then balance them with "but some English posters don't agree" when the actual posters made no attempt to balance their initial posts? Disingenuous and hypocritical on your part I would say.

So no, I didn't do as you state. What I asked was for him/them to support their statement with some objective points so that I could utilize those metrics to point out that hyprocrisy. Get it?

Have you noticed neither one has attempted to answer my questions? And the more offensive party, in true coward's form, neg rep instead of answering simple questions - like I have done for your questions. Yet somehow in your mind I am the guilty party.

 

[fedupyid]

So Everton are being bought by the guy who used to own the Padres. The man leading the coalition to buy them is head of a sports investment consortium, which is never a good thing, but can hardly be any worse than Bill Kenwright.

Lerner had reasonable success in his early days at Villa but couldn't maintain the level of spending and since Martin O'Neil left they have been a ship without a rudder. The thing is football is all about getting the background stuff right and these people come in and do not necessarily grasp the differences between American Sports and football that one of the club's needs is long term planning and another is stability. This comes from the draft system in America where you are not responsible for developing the talent from maybe as young as 7. That is why quite often these people come in and try to constantly buy themselves out of trouble.

 

[Gassin's finest]

Much fail I sense in this thread...

 

[heelspurs]

So Everton are being bought by the guy who used to own the Padres. The man leading the coalition to buy them is head of a sports investment consortium, which is never a good thing, but can hardly be any worse than Bill Kenwright.

Lerner had reasonable success in his early days at Villa but couldn't maintain the level of spending and since Martin O'Neil left they have been a ship without a rudder. The thing is football is all about getting the background stuff right and these people come in and do not necessarily grasp the differences between American Sports and football that one of the club's needs is long term planning and another is stability. This comes from the draft system in America where you are not responsible for developing the talent from maybe as young as 7. That is why quite often these people come in and try to constantly buy themselves out of trouble.

Fair points but I struggle to believe that "Ivy League" educated Randy Lerner had difficulty understanding these differences. Villa's academy was seen as quite good under Lerner's tenure but that may have been due to his predecessors. It is plausible that the changing financial landscape took them by surprise as it did many longstanding PL owners. Although quite wealthy by normal standards Lerner is not obscenely wealthy by PL owner standards and was unable to sustain high wage bills.