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ajspurs

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I kind of feel like Rooney is a good signing in terms of the mental strength and belief at the club, a figure like that can help a lot in those regards. I can't say I'd be concerned by what he may bring in pure footballing terms mind but will be interesting to see how he may fare with more minutes.
 

millsey

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With every good signing they get closer to the bigger teams. We at this point are just standing still
 

Gbspurs

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You can't critique anything Everton are doing. They knew Lukaku was off so they are throwing everything they can to remain competitive. Fair play to them imo.
 

dontcallme

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Thing is, Everton do have an owner with money and ready to spend now, Last summer it was too late but this summer they can start their improvement.

At the moment they can't attract the quaity needed to get top four and have lost their star striker.They have done the right thing is bringing in young players and as they improve they'll be able to get higher quality players.

Top four the upcoming season I'd say almost no chance. In time they can be a threat.
 
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millsey

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Were you saying the same last summer? Be honest.
We didn't buy great but Wanyama hugely important. I understand what you are saying, but because it happened last season does that just mean we don't need to strengthen? Such a fine line between last seasons form and all going wrong. The likes of city and Utd going to be far stronger this season. We play 18 games at Wembley. All most of us are asking for us 2-3 really good squad players.
 

Gb160

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We didn't buy great but Wanyama hugely important. I understand what you are saying, but because it happened last season does that just mean we don't need to strengthen? Such a fine line between last seasons form and all going wrong. The likes of city and Utd going to be far stronger this season. We play 18 games at Wembley. All most of us are asking for us 2-3 really good squad players.
What in Gods name makes you think we'll plan our recruitment on what posters on a message board think we need?
 

millsey

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Last line of the quoted posted Millsy, do keep up.
Still confused. I said all us fans are asking for us 2-3 good squad players. You are saying some tosh about whatever we post here the club won't do??
 

nailsy

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Let's not beat about the bush, signing Rooney is a good move for them.
What scares me most is that I have 13 and 11 yr olds, and both have only known him to be a United player!!!

I think it's an awful move. I can't see him getting enough goals to be the main striker so where does he fit into the team?
 

dontcallme

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We didn't buy great but Wanyama hugely important. I understand what you are saying, but because it happened last season does that just mean we don't need to strengthen? Such a fine line between last seasons form and all going wrong. The likes of city and Utd going to be far stronger this season. We play 18 games at Wembley. All most of us are asking for us 2-3 really good squad players.

I think our need to strengthen will depend on the attitude of the players behind closed doors.

If they are still as determined, ambitious and open to improviement as they have been the last 2 seasons then we need very little.

Utd have spenthuge over last 4 seasons to little improvement.

I just think some fans think the only route to improvement is by buying players. We have a young squad and are improving. Many of our best players did'n't perform well until their 2nd or 3rd season so I don't see a signing this summer making us that much better.

Everton are buying young players too and not looking for instant gratification, I feel this is their right route.
 

millsey

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I think our need to strengthen will depend on the attitude of the players behind closed doors.

If they are still as determined, ambitious and open to improviement as they have been the last 2 seasons then we need very little.

Utd have spenthuge over last 4 seasons to little improvement.

I just think some fans think the only route to improvement is by buying players. We have a young squad and are improving. Many of our best players did'n't perform well until their 2nd or 3rd season so I don't see a signing this summer making us that much better.

Everton are buying young players too and not looking for instant gratification, I feel this is their right route.
Agree with you. But we also know in life, if you aren't pushed then things start to slip at some point. Does say Eriksen or Dele have any worries at all about making the team? Once you put that pressure on they have to perform. Like our full backs
 

WalkerboyUK

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Let's not beat about the bush, signing Rooney is a good move for them.
What scares me most is that I have 13 and 11 yr olds, and both have only known him to be a United player!!!

I think it's an awful move. I can't see him getting enough goals to be the main striker so where does he fit into the team?
Depends where they play him.
At United, in his latter years, he played far too deep.
If he is disciplined enough, Everton could play him as striker and he would bag plenty of goals.
 

millsey

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You can't critique anything Everton are doing. They knew Lukaku was off so they are throwing everything they can to remain competitive. Fair play to them imo.
Yep. Very very similar to us and bale summer. They can't exactly buy superstars can they but the biggest thing is they have bought early. Full preseason
 

Sum Monsterism

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Good luck to Rooney. Be nice to see him rediscover some sparkle. Feels like he has been playing forever.

Or, at least, a long ass time.
 

hughy

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Rooney is Everton's Van Der Vaart moment, that's for sure.

Really? Van der Vaart was probably at the latter stages of his peak years when he signed for us. I'd say we got the best of VdV when he was playing in our colours. Everton won't get that with Rooney. He will never be a top player again.
 

kaz Hirai

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Everton looking like having a great window but who knows really, our bankrolled summer looked unbelievable too.

2 of the very best young talents playing in Europe, Erisken and lamela signed. Be like grabbing lemar and bakayoko right now.
The most prolific forward in laliga outside of Messi and Ronaldo
Paulhino, super hot property Brazil international off back of impressive confederation cup performance.
A super impressive quartet on paper for a club our size.

And another 3 players just because we had cash to burn.

Amazing summer but it's just names ultimately, you just never know how it will click as we found out.
Non of the magnificent 7 that we've sold are bad players imo

Be interesting to see if Everton go the same way
 

StartingPrice

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Everton looking like having a great window but who knows really, our bankrolled summer looked unbelievable too.

2 of the very best young talents playing in Europe, Erisken and lamela signed. Be like grabbing lemar and bakayoko right now.
The most prolific forward in laliga outside of Messi and Ronaldo
Paulhino, super hot property Brazil international off back of impressive confederation cup performance.
A super impressive quartet on paper for a club our size.

And another 3 players just because we had cash to burn.

Amazing summer but it's just names ultimately, you just never know how it will click as we found out.
Non of the magnificent 7 that we've sold are bad players imo

Be interesting to see if Everton go the same way

Or when Liverpewel weren't going to make the same mistakes we made. Y'know, when they sold Suarez. But...whoops...they made the same mistakes we made :)

I'm probably the least hostile to Everton on here (for reasons previously given), but I agree with they won't get near the top four this season. Maybe in future seasons they can become more of an outside threat, but not now. And when I say an outside threat I do mean just that. A run of finishes like we with the odd Lasagna-Gate (well, it's Liverpewel, maybe Rat-Kebab-Gate), and the very odd excursion into CL. But the Ruskie crook spent a billion in unpaid loans, before ensuring no-one else can do the same - and they still didn't actually displace United, just became their main competitors. And the top is far more competitive now.

I also agree with @Gbspurs - I don't know that anyone on this thread has actually said Everton will overtake us imminently (though @millsey is certainly hinting at it) but I have seen articles rushing to say we are most under threat from Everton. No, we aren't! Liverpool and City have managers who have yet to show they understand with the intensity and commitment required to cope with more lowly opposition as well as the top level. Neither, has shown that they quite know how to build a defence that is going to be able to cope with these type of games where negative teams sit deep and where they won't just give up if they are a goal down. Guardiola at least has the notion that buying players from clubs like us who have operated in a successful defence at the top end of the table, and can afford to do that. But what about Klopp? And Liverpool finished way below our points total last year despite not having any European distractions. By the time Everton's money starts to take effect, we will have our new stadium online. We actually have the team, we aren't trying to build it - just pad it out. And so much of our future is based on our productive youth system anyway - that isn't really going to be touched by Everton being able to outspend us or keep up with us on spending.

If no-one drops out, Everton could turn it into a top seven - but it will probably take them at least half a decade of niggling around sixth/fifth, and finishing above one or two of the top six a few times every year like we did, to do that.
 
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