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millsey

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Or when Liverpewel weren't going to make the same mistakes we made. Y'know, when they sold Suarez. But...whoops...they made the same mistakes we made :)

I'm probably the least hostile to Everton on here (for reasons previously given), but I agree with they won't get near the top four this season. Maybe in future seasons they can become more of an outside threat, but not now. And when I say an outside threat I do mean just that. A run of finishes like we with the odd Lasagna-Gate (well, it's Liverpewel, maybe Rat-Kebab-Gate), and the very odd excursion into CL. But the Ruskie crook spent a billion in unpaid loans, before ensuring no-one else can do the same - and they still didn't actually displace United, just became their main competitors. And the top is far more competitive now.

I also agree with @Gbspurs - I don't know that anyone on this thread has actually said Everton will overtake us imminently (though @millsey is certainly hinting at it) but I have seen articles rushing to say we are most under threat from Everton. No, we aren't! Liverpool and City have managers who have yet to show they understand with the intensity and commitment required to cope with more lowly opposition as well as the top level. Neither, has shown that they quite know how to build a defence that is going to be able to cope with these type of games where negative teams sit deep and where they won't just give up if they are a goal down. Guardiola at least has the notion that buying players from clubs like us who have operated in a successful defence at the top end of the table, and can afford to do that. But what about Klopp? And Liverpool finished way below our points total last year despite not having any European distractions. By the time Everton's money starts to take effect, we will have our new stadium online. We actually have the team, we aren't trying to build it - just pad it out. And so much of our future is based on our productive youth system anyway - that isn't really going to be touched by Everton being able to outspend us or keep up with us on spending.

If no-one drops out, Everton could turn it into a top seven - but it will probably take them at least half a decade of niggling around sixth/fifth, and finishing above one or two of the top six a few times every year like we did, to do that.
Nope don't think they will over take us. Certainly not this season, but top manager, ambitious new owner, and spending money. Good club generally. If we don't buy much this season we won't next year either
 

mano-obe

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Just put a 32m bid in for Siggy(not confirmed). Prices have gone sky high. Just think we swapped him with Ben Davies
 

DCSPUR

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Just put a 32m bid in for Siggy(not confirmed). Prices have gone sky high. Just think we swapped him with Ben Davies
spent most of the Lukaku money and now spending the Barkley money.
So far: outgoing 86, incoming 90
20-30 range for Barkley gets them Siggy and still a 0 outlay
Which shows how silly their 200 million fan talk was!!!
 

beats1

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Lukaku is a big loss but people writing them off saying they wont be challenging for top 4 are wrong imo, that doesnt mean they will get it

When they played liverpool they had the opportunity to go 3 points behind Liverpool and after that their season pretty much fell apart as they had nothing to play for other than get Lukaku the golden boot

What was their biggest weakness last season were getting goals from anyone but Lukaku, they need a Jagielka replacement, both their goalkeepers were shit and they had no squad depth

Now they are about to lose their biggest strength in Lukaku and biggest force

They got Sandro to replace Valencia, if he gets more than 12, it will be a good season for him

They then have Rooney imo isnt a top player by any means but everton is his level and he is a winner, he is a player who has won everything at club level, he will be big for them in the dressing room

Keane and Pickford are solid signings, Pickford may not become a top keeper but he will be better than Robles whilst Keane is a player most on here wanted

I dont know about Klaassen and whether he will be great but so far they have had a good window

Also dont forget Koeman is a good manager, never finished below 7th despite having lost a lot of players at southampton and Everton
 

michaelden

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Everton are really putting down a market this summer.

So far

Pickford
Michael Keane
Klassen
Sandro Ramirez

All young, talented and sensible but exiting signings.

Hope they overtake Liverpool.

yip, young players in, then after making a name exiting to a bigger club like us
 

beats1

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Everton are really putting down a market this summer.

So far

Pickford
Michael Keane
Klassen
Sandro Ramirez

All young, talented and sensible but exiting signings.

Hope they overtake Liverpool.
I think they have a better a back 5 than liverpool imo
 

teok

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I can't be bothered to re open the rooney debate but if everton are nailed on top 4 suddenly who are the other 3 clubs and who misses out? Seems incredibly premature given that the majority of the transfer business overall is still to come.
 

RichieS

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Yeah, but they're all chucking money around too which guarantees they'll get better. Whereas we're not going to sign anyone at all despite the fact that all our players have peaked and, if anything, are now on a downward trajectory. I guarantee we'll finish no higher than 7th next season.
Can i just clarify that I was absolutely taking the piss with this post. Check my posting history - I'm a fully paid up BSoDL!
 

Shadydan

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Lukaku is a big loss but people writing them off saying they wont be challenging for top 4 are wrong imo, that doesnt mean they will get it

When they played liverpool they had the opportunity to go 3 points behind Liverpool and after that their season pretty much fell apart as they had nothing to play for other than get Lukaku the golden boot

What was their biggest weakness last season were getting goals from anyone but Lukaku, they need a Jagielka replacement, both their goalkeepers were shit and they had no squad depth

Now they are about to lose their biggest strength in Lukaku and biggest force

They got Sandro to replace Valencia, if he gets more than 12, it will be a good season for him

They then have Rooney imo isnt a top player by any means but everton is his level and he is a winner, he is a player who has won everything at club level, he will be big for them in the dressing room

Keane and Pickford are solid signings, Pickford may not become a top keeper but he will be better than Robles whilst Keane is a player most on here wanted

I dont know about Klaassen and whether he will be great but so far they have had a good window

Also dont forget Koeman is a good manager, never finished below 7th despite having lost a lot of players at southampton and Everton

How do you replace the goals that Lukaku scored and Barkley as well, they were there 2 highest scorers last season, 3rd was Coleman who is injured?
 

beats1

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How do you replace the goals that Lukaku scored and Barkley as well, they were there 2 highest scorers last season, 3rd was Coleman who is injured?
Sandro will have a great season if he gets 10 goals if we are being honest, he is replacing Valencia and will almost certainly imo get more goals if he stays fit

Rooney, despite not being a fan will get them goals, he needs to improve his fitness yet last season he was a striker who got 1 goal about every 3 games and a goal or an assist every 153 mins. So nowhere near as bad as people make out, dont get me wrong his england career should be over but he will be huge for Everton and potentially have a Raul effect there.

As for Barkley he is overrated by a lot on here, he has potential but he will take time to reach it imo if he does(which imo is less likely if he leaves up north, scouser's are notoriously bad at adapting moving down south), he wouldn't even be a guaranteed starter for Everton at the moment should they sign siggy

If they get Giroud and siggy, they should have goals covered. Giroud only scored 10 goals less than lukaku in the last 4 seasons
 
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Danners9

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http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/40637077

Phil Neville: Everton could 'do a Tottenham' this season

:D

"If the window closed today, Everton have done the best business," he said.

Everton have had a busy summer of transfer activity with manager Ronald Koeman bringing in goalkeeper Jordan Pickford from Sunderland and attacking midfielder Davy Klaassen from Ajax, while England defender Michael Keane was signed from Burnley, and fellow defender Cuco Martina came on a free transfer from Southampton.

Young forward Sandro Ramirez joined from Malaga, while England international Rooney arrived from Manchester United just days before fellow striker Romelu Lukaku went the other way - joining United for a fee of £75m.


I know he means 'rise to become a challenger', but after selling a player for a big fee and signing lots of players 'do a Tottenham' could easily mean 'sign lots of players and sell most of them on within 4 years, ultimately making those signings a bit of a waste'.

Also 'best business'. Most business. Best will be shown in January or May.
 

hellava_tough

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Sandro will have a great season if he gets 10 goals if we are being honest, he is replacing Valencia and will almost certainly imo get more goals if he stays fit

Rooney, despite not being a fan will get them goals, he needs to improve his fitness yet last season he was a striker who got 1 goal about every 3 games and a goal or an assist every 153 mins. So nowhere near as bad as people make out, dont get me wrong his england career should be over but he will be huge for Everton and potentially have a Raul effect there.

As for Barkley he is overrated by a lot on here, he has potential but he will take time to reach it imo if he does(which imo is less likely if he leaves up north, scouser's are notoriously bad at adapting moving down south), he wouldn't even be a guaranteed starter for Everton at the moment should they sign siggy

If they get Giroud and siggy, they should have goals covered. Giroud only scored 10 goals less than lukaku in the last 4 seasons

Unlikely

Giroud has never scored more than 16 league goals in the PL, he'll be playing in a less creative team than Arsenal and he's no spring chicken (30 years old)

Siggy hovers around the 10 league goal mark, although Everton will be more creative than Swansea

Compare that with Kane (29 league goals last season), Alli (18 league goals last season) and Son (14 league goals last season). Even Eriksen got 8 goals, which is nearer to Siggy's total

I think Everton will do alright next season, but they won't have enough fire power to get into the top 6

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olivier_Giroud#Career_statistics

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gylfi_Sigurðsson#Club

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016–17_Tottenham_Hotspur_F.C._season#Appearances_and_goals
 

DanielCHillier

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So their starting 11, assuming all their business is complete would be;
Pickford
Holgate Williams Keane Martina
Schneiderlin Gueye
MIrallas Klassen Lookman
Rooney​
Doesn't strike me as a top 6 team.
 

Spurrific

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So their starting 11, assuming all their business is complete would be;
Pickford
Holgate Williams Keane Martina
Schneiderlin Gueye
MIrallas Klassen Lookman
Rooney​
Doesn't strike me as a top 6 team.

Pretty turd, really. I don't think Mirallas is a start for them, though, I'd imagine Sandro will have a place in the XI.
 

THFCSPURS19

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So their starting 11, assuming all their business is complete would be;
Pickford
Holgate Williams Keane Martina
Schneiderlin Gueye
MIrallas Klassen Lookman
Rooney​
Doesn't strike me as a top 6 team.
Well their best XI would have Baines, Coleman, and potentially Sigurdsson instead of Lookman as well.
 
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