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Everton Vs Tottenham: Match Thread

Sweetsman

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God knows why there are so many complaints over this game. Dembele being out was a massive loss, but instead of allowing that to hurt us we went out in the first half and dominated.

If we had scored first I suspect we would have kept on pushing and in all likelihood won the game. Instead we went behind against the run of play but admirably stuck to our guns and forced ourselves back into the match. It was for the most part an excellent 45 minutes, and the much maligned Tom Carroll was certainly a part of that.

Fatigue and a better-drilled Everton side changed the dynamic of the match in the second half. Everton came out fighting, as you'd expect of a team that is under pressure due to some recent poor results at home. They have some great players so this was never likely to be a one-sided walkover. The fact that we made it look that way in the first half is to our credit, and cause for a lot of optimism for the rest of the season.

Yes we got a bit of a battering at the very end of the match, but we will now be mentally stronger for getting through it. I think we had the best record of any team over the Christmas matches (notorious for being difficult due to congestion), so I'm very happy with that.

I understand the disappointment of it being 'two points dropped', but that's obviously better than gaining a scrappy or undeserved point in a difficult fixture.
Agree with you. There is one issue, and that is that Poch identified that our play dropped after 75mins. This seems to be the time when our play does drop, because the same thing has happened in a number of games. I understand that this has usually happened after EL games, but I wonder whether our players' body clocks do wind down at that time.
 

Gaz_Gammon

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Try as we might its a losing battle. Interestingly, two of the players who came in for the most stick from the ersatz experts were Carroll and Alli, who were singled out by the actual experts as MoM and mentioned in despatches.


NBCSN Robbie Mustoe gave Carroll MOM, though i thought differently (Dyer) it just goes to show what ex-pros see in a player that the vast majority of us (including me) do not. Mustoe's summing up including video really did open my eyes on Carrolls overall contribution today.

I think we all (me included) always look to the negative parts of a players performance before the better. That said he did play a couple of suicidal passes today i thought. Definitely a good squad player.
 

TH1239

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In isolation, there is no problem with drawing against that Everton side. However, when you look at the broader picture, this is yet another match where we've clearly been the dominant team, but have ended up with just one point. It happened against Swansea, Arsenal, Chelsea, Everton at home, Liverpool, too. I'd argue we also were superior to United away and dominated Newcastle for an ovewhelmingly majority of that loss, too.

The difference between us and Arsenal/City is that they each have two to three genuine world class attacking players that can win them matches like the ones we've drawn this season. Sanchez/Ozil and Aguero/Silva/De Bruyne just give those sides a bit more of an edge when healthy than we have at the moment. Hopefully we can finish 3rd this season and go out in the summer and add 1-2 true match winners to the squad and make a title push next season.
 

CowInAComa

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In isolation, there is no problem with drawing against that Everton side. However, when you look at the broader picture, this is yet another match where we've clearly been the dominant team, but have ended up with just one point. It happened against Swansea, Arsenal, Chelsea, Everton at home, Liverpool, too. I'd argue we also were superior to United away and dominated Newcastle for an ovewhelmingly majority of that loss, too.

The difference between us and Arsenal/City is that they each have two to three genuine world class attacking players that can win them matches like the ones we've drawn this season. Sanchez/Ozil and Aguero/Silva/De Bruyne just give those sides a bit more of an edge when healthy than we have at the moment. Hopefully we can finish 3rd this season and go out in the summer and add 1-2 true match winners to the squad and make a title push next season.

City and Arsenal have not looked better than us over the Xmas period.A single draw. Get over it. We have come through a very tough run of fixtures unscathed and im pretty certain we have gained ground overall?

We have a nice run of games coming up
 

SEANSPURS1975

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Just looking at the replay of lennon goal and Jan turned his back away from the shot....now he is getting paid alot of money to take a ball to the face!!!

Other than that I thought we done very well, 1st half we bossed it and should have gone in at 3-1. Second half they just edged it i feel but you could clearly see we were tired.

We lost a bit of creativity when Eriksen went off.

Agree about Vertonghen. I like Jan alot as a player, but for some reason he always turns away when facing a shot. As Carragher said he has to want that ball to hit him, square in the face if need be..
 

talkshowhost86

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In isolation, there is no problem with drawing against that Everton side. However, when you look at the broader picture, this is yet another match where we've clearly been the dominant team, but have ended up with just one point. It happened against Swansea, Arsenal, Chelsea, Everton at home, Liverpool, too. I'd argue we also were superior to United away and dominated Newcastle for an ovewhelmingly majority of that loss, too.

The difference between us and Arsenal/City is that they each have two to three genuine world class attacking players that can win them matches like the ones we've drawn this season. Sanchez/Ozil and Aguero/Silva/De Bruyne just give those sides a bit more of an edge when healthy than we have at the moment. Hopefully we can finish 3rd this season and go out in the summer and add 1-2 true match winners to the squad and make a title push next season.

I do agree that for us to be genuine title contenders we need to be winning games where we dominate more often.

I also agree that we don't necessarily have players who have been able to make that match winning influence on their own, and we rely on the team as a whole performing well (which is not exactly a bad thing).

With the likes of Lamela, Son and Eriksen though we do have players who are capable of doing that, and I'd like to see a lot more from them in that regard in the latter stages of the season.
 

thebenjamin

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In isolation, there is no problem with drawing against that Everton side. However, when you look at the broader picture, this is yet another match where we've clearly been the dominant team, but have ended up with just one point. It happened against Swansea, Arsenal, Chelsea, Everton at home, Liverpool, too. I'd argue we also were superior to United away and dominated Newcastle for an ovewhelmingly majority of that loss, too.

The difference between us and Arsenal/City is that they each have two to three genuine world class attacking players that can win them matches like the ones we've drawn this season. Sanchez/Ozil and Aguero/Silva/De Bruyne just give those sides a bit more of an edge when healthy than we have at the moment. Hopefully we can finish 3rd this season and go out in the summer and add 1-2 true match winners to the squad and make a title push next season.

Of course. They have much better attacking players than we do. That's what a £200M wage bill gets you over £100M. Top attacking players get paid £200K a week, we don't pay that.
 

Jenko

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In isolation, there is no problem with drawing against that Everton side. However, when you look at the broader picture, this is yet another match where we've clearly been the dominant team, but have ended up with just one point. It happened against Swansea, Arsenal, Chelsea, Everton at home, Liverpool, too. I'd argue we also were superior to United away and dominated Newcastle for an ovewhelmingly majority of that loss, too.

The difference between us and Arsenal/City is that they each have two to three genuine world class attacking players that can win them matches like the ones we've drawn this season. Sanchez/Ozil and Aguero/Silva/De Bruyne just give those sides a bit more of an edge when healthy than we have at the moment. Hopefully we can finish 3rd this season and go out in the summer and add 1-2 true match winners to the squad and make a title push next season.

Good post but I actually believe that Lamela, Son, & N'Jie will ALL be better next season than they are this one as they are still figuring English football out in their own way. It's actually Eriksen I'm concerned about at the moment.
 

wakefieldyid

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As Carragher said he has to want that ball to hit him, square in the face if need be..
It was an odd comment from Jamie Carragher, who was being a bit holier than thou. As the renowned scorer of so many own goals at Liverpool, he is hardly the best qualified person to give lectures on last-ditch defending....
 

tiger666

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It was an odd comment from Jamie Carragher, who was being a bit holier than thou. As the renowned scorer of so many own goals at Liverpool, he is hardly the best qualified person to give lectures on last-ditch defending....

He was still correct.
 

hughy

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It was an odd comment from Jamie Carragher, who was being a bit holier than thou. As the renowned scorer of so many own goals at Liverpool, he is hardly the best qualified person to give lectures on last-ditch defending....

He's a "hero" defender though, the type who would literally put his body on the line to prevent a goal, like Michael Dawson and Phil Jones. I wouldn't rate any of them above Vertonghen, but he's got a point when he says that's what a CB should be looking to do.
 

longtimespur

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If you can't get the ball at least get in the way!

That was always my instruction when I played CB in my younger days
 

wrd

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Carroll had the highest pass %, highest interceptions, highest number of chances created. How is that a "Level below"?

If I'm honest, I don't remember any chances that came from his assist, I thought in the first half he was fine because they weren't pressing us on the ball whatsoever but I felt that he couldn't compete with Barkley when he was running through and there was a few times with Lukaku but most people wouldn't compete with Lukaku. There was also the shot/cross and the air shot which were where my original point came from. I think Carroll is a good player, I think he has a place but I'd rather see Bentaleb add some steel to the midfield and have Carroll as an alternative to Eriksen.
 

RicOfPeace

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It was an odd comment from Jamie Carragher, who was being a bit holier than thou. As the renowned scorer of so many own goals at Liverpool, he is hardly the best qualified person to give lectures on last-ditch defending....
tbh its probably because he was willing to put his body on the line defending that he did score a lot of own goals like Robbie Keanes deflected goal at Anfield yrs back in a 2-2 draw think was deflected in off carragher?

on to the game we we're excellent first half but I think poor substitutions and decision making in the second half meant we we're lucky to get a point in the end. On to Leicester and hopefully 3pts
 

jurgen

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It's funny, some people were saying that Everton are a good passing side, below where there should be, but in that first half we looked leagues not league places above them in our movement and passing. But like Watford, they managed to bring the game down to their level and turn it into a bit of a sh@tfight and I guess that is where having someone like Dembele or even Mason available would have been really helpful.. though I don't think Carroll did badly overall..
 

Gaz_Gammon

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City and Arsenal have not looked better than us over the Xmas period.A single draw. Get over it. We have come through a very tough run of fixtures unscathed and im pretty certain we have gained ground overall?

We have a nice run of games coming up


Our run of 10 from 12 points over the Xmas period would suggest that (best in the PL i think). Away at Watford and Everton is no cake walk, and i thought we looked batter against Watford than Citeh. Yesterdays game was more one sided than any other game we have played this season.

Excellent progress this season with two unlucky losses.

More to come from this team before seasons end i think.
 

thebetamaxboy

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In isolation, there is no problem with drawing against that Everton side. However, when you look at the broader picture, this is yet another match where we've clearly been the dominant team, but have ended up with just one point. It happened against Swansea, Arsenal, Chelsea, Everton at home, Liverpool, too. I'd argue we also were superior to United away and dominated Newcastle for an ovewhelmingly majority of that loss, too.

The difference between us and Arsenal/City is that they each have two to three genuine world class attacking players that can win them matches like the ones we've drawn this season. Sanchez/Ozil and Aguero/Silva/De Bruyne just give those sides a bit more of an edge when healthy than we have at the moment. Hopefully we can finish 3rd this season and go out in the summer and add 1-2 true match winners to the squad and make a title push next season.

The main problem is Eriksen is not scoring. I think he's great but we need another chipping in with goals.
 

ajspurs

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The main problem is Eriksen is not scoring. I think he's great but we need another chipping in with goals.

The annoying thing is that he's capable of scoring as many as any other player bar Kane. He's not even really having many efforts on goal which is the more worrying thing. I just still think the key is getting the ball to him in the right areas which is close to goal, in and around the box. He's not a playmaker and quite frankly the further away from goal he is the less of an impact he's able to have on a match.

The match away to Swansea is a perfect example of how we should be wanting him to play more regularly.
 

Sir Henry

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Just out of curiosity, why did the commentator shout 'Take that Tottenham' when Lennon scored ?
 
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