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Ionman34

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And how is this 'sustainable' legacy being built exactly? The rhetoric I see from elements of the supporter base is wishful thinking or pure fantasy. This club isn't part of the elite and will not be even with the new stadium quite simply because it will not possess the capacity in either circumstance. And It does not posses the capacity to retain its major players much in the manner that clubs A Madrid and Dortmund could not. The real question is why do so many operate under the notion that the realities of the modern game do not apply to us? As if we alone are immune to them.

You are absolutely right that I want silverware now. The club hasn't won any in a decade, it hasn't won an FA Cup in 26 years, a UEFA cup in 33. It has a team capable of wining major silverware so why wouldn't we want or expect this now? I'm not envious of other clubs and their supporters I'm envious of our own, of those who able to witness those previous success. Seriously just how much more patience do we need to show? I have heard the whole building retohric since 2004, the narrative is exactly the same. We were good enough to challenge for the UEFA cup, FA Cup and league cup and have been ever since. What is their to be patient with that we when we already good enough to win those trophies?

Now I'm sure you're a WUM, how is it being built?

Since Enic took over we have progressed from a relegation candidate to a title challenger, regularly challenging for CL and now challenging for the title. We have one of the foremost training facilities in the World with an academy producing World class talent like Kane and with potential to produce even more like Edwards, that pays for itself when we can sell on talents like Bentaleb, Mason and Prichard whilst we keep the cream.
This is one aspect of sustainability as, in nearly 50 years we have produced just 3, Hoddle, Judas and King.
We are building a stadium costing just short of a Billion pounds, future proofed and allowing us to accommodate multiple events, further increasing our revenue, exposure and sustainability.

We have broken into CL and for 2 seasons have been the most consistent side in the most widely watched league in the World, playing arguably the most attractive Football period. Whilst not necessarily part of the sustainability, it is certainly a product of the progress that we have sustained over the past 15 years.

We have progressed with a recruitment policy that has allowed us to progress from no hope laughing stocks to serious title challengers, a policy that has sustained improvement for the last 15 years.

In every respect we have proven that we are building towards sustained success, we just have that final step to take and rubber stamp it with trophies.

Basically you can't acknowledge this because you refuse to. In truth, I realise I'm wasting my time here because you refuse to accept anything that I'm saying.

I'll not bother further, you're not a Spurs fan as far as I'm concerned so I won't waste another second explaining the obvious to you.
 

Spurger King

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There's a lot of emotion flying around in this forum right now, which is understandable. It pisses me off that we have been so great this season, but Chelsea, United, and the Gooners all win major trophies. It's unbelievably frustrating, and however it is dressed up we're still going through an awful barren patch on the trophy front and as long as it continues there will be people asking questions. That doesn't mean they're not real fans or glory hunters, it's just natural when we have nothing tangible to celebrate. Especially when we know how easy it is for our team to be ripped apart by unwanted transfers.

But we're moving in the right direction. Under Pochettino we've only really got going in the last two seasons and are just turning ripe for picking up silverware. We have an incredible new stadium on the way that will either take us the next level or at least keep us up there as one of the top dogs. And most of all we celebrated something that, for me at least, felt more emotionally powerful than any trophy win...the end of the Lane which turned into a wonderful celebration of the club itself. No you can't bottle that up and stick it in a trophy cabinet, but that's because it goes well beyond that.
 

TheChosenOne

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Hopefully we have broken into the cartel, the Sky/UCL cartel that has been our nemesis for so many years.
Our noses pushed up against the window looking in at the feast they enjoyed.

That's still the Holy Grail these days isn't it ?

Social media does seem very subdued in respect of vainglorious Woolwich fans.
 

DCSPUR

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Basically you can't acknowledge this because you refuse to. In truth, I realise I'm wasting my time here because you refuse to accept anything that I'm saying.

I'll not bother further, you're not a Spurs fan as far as I'm concerned so I won't waste another second explaining the obvious to you.
WINNER
 

TheHood

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Jan 17, 2006
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Now I'm sure you're a WUM, how is it being built?

Since Enic took over we have progressed from a relegation candidate to a title challenger, regularly challenging for CL and now challenging for the title. We have one of the foremost training facilities in the World with an academy producing World class talent like Kane and with potential to produce even more like Edwards, that pays for itself when we can sell on talents like Bentaleb, Mason and Prichard whilst we keep the cream.
This is one aspect of sustainability as, in nearly 50 years we have produced just 3, Hoddle, Judas and King.
We are building a stadium costing just short of a Billion pounds, future proofed and allowing us to accommodate multiple events, further increasing our revenue, exposure and sustainability.

We have broken into CL and for 2 seasons have been the most consistent side in the most widely watched league in the World, playing arguably the most attractive Football period. Whilst not necessarily part of the sustainability, it is certainly a product of the progress that we have sustained over the past 15 years.

We have progressed with a recruitment policy that has allowed us to progress from no hope laughing stocks to serious title challengers, a policy that has sustained improvement for the last 15 years.

In every respect we have proven that we are building towards sustained success, we just have that final step to take and rubber stamp it with trophies.

Basically you can't acknowledge this because you refuse to. In truth, I realise I'm wasting my time here because you refuse to accept anything that I'm saying.

I'll not bother further, you're not a Spurs fan as far as I'm concerned so I won't waste another second explaining the obvious to you.

Basically the point was with regards capacity and resources and given that our capital projects do not alter our standing as the sixth wealthiest club in the PL I am still waiting the rationale behind this sustainable success/ entry into the elite statement. The game is driven by resources, that is what dictates success in the medium to long term so how can a club that won't even overtake Liverpool in that regard ( a none elite club that doesn't challenge for the major honors) be expected to achieve this? There are plenty of clubs that have talented boards,plenty that invest in their youth structures that doesn't alter their capacity in any discernible way. And I'm not refusing to acknowledge anything, where did I state that ENIC were not a talented board or that we haven't progressed in the league format since their arrival at the club? That is not even the point at discussion. It hey I'm just a shit so called supporter so what do I know.
 

Mustard

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They'll still be in a field in Kazakhstan next season playing Turnip United on a Thursday night.


Yet in 10 years time the record books will simply show they won their 13th facup this season.

No one will care that we came second.

That's the power of winning things.
 

jurgen

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Jul 5, 2008
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Plenty of people will care we finish second, I should think most Spurs fans would given its our best league season for absolutely ages. If people's only knowledge comes from the record books then more fool them.
 

inclineyid

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Basically the point was with regards capacity and resources and given that our capital projects do not alter our standing as the sixth wealthiest club in the PL I am still waiting the rationale behind this sustainable success/ entry into the elite statement. The game is driven by resources, that is what dictates success in the medium to long term so how can a club that won't even overtake Liverpool in that regard ( a none elite club that doesn't challenge for the major honors) be expected to achieve this? There are plenty of clubs that have talented boards,plenty that invest in their youth structures that doesn't alter their capacity in any discernible way. And I'm not refusing to acknowledge anything, where did I state that ENIC were not a talented board or that we haven't progressed in the league format since their arrival at the club? That is not even the point at discussion. It hey I'm just a shit so called supporter so what do I know.

We are undeniably growing and have the clear potential to catch and over take both Liverpool and arsenal in the turnover/wealth category (as their potential for growth is far more limited). It's just it may take another 15 years of incremental growth. You're just a cry baby who wants something now and doesnt understand long term investment is long term. I'm enjoying seeing my club grow and it gives me extra pleasure that you don't get it and feel frustrated unnecessarily. Also glad you were clearly booted from other boards I frequent... ever wondered if the problem is you as you seem as unpopular as ever
 

TheChosenOne

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Dec 13, 2005
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Basically the point was with regards capacity and resources and given that our capital projects do not alter our standing as the sixth wealthiest club in the PL I am still waiting the rationale behind this sustainable success/ entry into the elite statement. The game is driven by resources, that is what dictates success in the medium to long term so how can a club that won't even overtake Liverpool in that regard ( a none elite club that doesn't challenge for the major honors) be expected to achieve this? There are plenty of clubs that have talented boards,plenty that invest in their youth structures that doesn't alter their capacity in any discernible way. And I'm not refusing to acknowledge anything, where did I state that ENIC were not a talented board or that we haven't progressed in the league format since their arrival at the club? That is not even the point at discussion. It hey I'm just a shit so called supporter so what do I know.

Liverpool and their fan base destroyed English football for 5 years following the Heysel debacle due to the UEFA ban It was a long time a coming but Tottenham and Everton were probably affected more than most.

Tell me about it.
 

Danners9

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Just watching the highlights.

Moses sent off for diving eh.. too bad Anthony Taylor wasn't the ref in the semi.
Arsenal's best performance of the season.
 

Mustard

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Liverpool and their fan base destroyed English football for 5 years following the Heysel debacle due to the UEFA ban It was a long time a coming but Tottenham and Everton were probably affected more than most.

Tell me about it.


Your Tottenham glasses are strong. Everton were most affected, (Howard' Kendall team) also, you forgot that Everton were denied CL place when Liverpool won it. They came fourth that year.

But your point remains.
 

Ionman34

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Jun 1, 2011
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Basically the point was with regards capacity and resources and given that our capital projects do not alter our standing as the sixth wealthiest club in the PL I am still waiting the rationale behind this sustainable success/ entry into the elite statement. The game is driven by resources, that is what dictates success in the medium to long term so how can a club that won't even overtake Liverpool in that regard ( a none elite club that doesn't challenge for the major honors) be expected to achieve this? There are plenty of clubs that have talented boards,plenty that invest in their youth structures that doesn't alter their capacity in any discernible way. And I'm not refusing to acknowledge anything, where did I state that ENIC were not a talented board or that we haven't progressed in the league format since their arrival at the club? That is not even the point at discussion. It hey I'm just a shit so called supporter so what do I know.
Evidently nothing, including the meaning of supporter.
 

Shadydan

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Jul 7, 2012
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I said I was pissed off.
Feels like we are in their shadow again, id rather win trophies than mere plaudits, nice as they are

The realisation will kick in once that EL draw is made and they're drawn in the same group as Coco pops FC from Azerbaijan ;)
 
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