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saltkjelen

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Just read this and hope the writer has got it right about UEFA following their FFP-rules the coming years.

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896...ial-fair-play-and-how-will-uefa-enforce-it-on

There is a misconception surrounding Financial Fair Play.

Many football observers regard the Uefa rules that are revolutionising how football operates akin to a distant parent whose discipline will not be enforced until some far-off date.

To an extent, this is true. Sanctions, including the first possible exclusions for clubs from Uefa competition, will not take place until the 2014-15 season.

Yet Financial Fair Play (FFP), the hard-won harvest of Michel Platini's Uefa presidency, is very much here and now.

The actions of the likes of Manchester City, Liverpool and AC Milan in the last two transfer windows have made that clear, although the extravagant recruitment of Chelsea and, particularly, Paris-Saint Germain, this summer requires greater explanation given the desire of European football's governing body to crack down on debt-laden clubs.

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DEBTS OF THE 'BIG SIX' IN 2010-11
ARSENAL
CHELSEA
LIVERPOOL
MANCHESTER CITY
MANCHESTER UNITED
TOTTENHAM
£97.8m
£91.7m
£65.4m
£42.9m
£308.3m
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The starting pistol for the three-year transition that will move clubs towards breaking even was sounded on June 1, 2011, to coincide with the start of last summer's transfer window.

Based on information taken from the 2011-12 and 2012-13 accounts, action can be taken for the first time during the 2013-14 season.

There are caveats, chief among them the 'acceptable deviation' of losses of €45million (£35m) in total over the first three years.

That can be subsidised by an owner but only if they invest the money permanently in return for shares, not by lending it as Roman Abramovich did when he first took control of Chelsea. If owners are unable to subsidise debts, the maximum loss is €5m (£3.9m).

From 2014 to 2017, the overall permitted loss will fall to €30m (£23.5m) for each three-year block monitored by Uefa. After that, Uefa hope clubs will have learned financial balance and be genuinely breaking even.

The task of ensuring the rules are correctly applied falls to the Club Financial Control Panel, a team of eight independent experts chaired by former Belgium prime minister Jean-Luc Dehaene.

Yet there is scepticism within the game, with Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger among those to voice his fears about how rigidly the rules will be applied.

If Manchester United's massive interest payments continue to push them into losses, if PSG push the boat out to sign international superstars with money they have not earned or if Chelsea qualify for Europe courtesy only of huge overspending, will Uefa play hardball and refuse to award a licence to play in the Champions League or Europa League?

"Everyone knows the rules and we will go through with it," said Gianni Infantino, Uefa's general secretary in an interview with Goal.com last year. "The question is, 'will you really do something?' And the answer is, 'yes, of course'. The train has left the station, we have started and there is no way back." The reputation of the new system, and Platini himself, depends upon it.

The elite English and Spanish clubs have been the greatest beneficiaries of the global football explosion over the last decade. Using the television revenue from the Champions League and the two most-watched domestic competitions in the world, they have dominated the European scene, splashed out on the best players and become a magnet for billionaires keen for a slice of the action.

Yet only Arsenal of the five highest profile Premier League clubs would comfortably meet the requirements of FFP based on recently published financial results. Manchester United, Chelsea, Liverpool and Manchester City would all fail.

However, Uefa's break-even calculation is not the same as a club's statutory accounts. Expenditure such as youth development, stadium infrastructure and community development does not count towards FFP. Depreciation on tangible fixed assets is also excluded.

In the case of Chelsea, for instance, analysts estimate that around £10m a year is spent on a youth set-up that has yet to really bear fruit, while another £9m can be lopped off for depreciation on tangible fixed assets such as spectator facilities at Stamford Bridge or training facilities at the club's Cobham headquarters. Therefore, FFP rules would allow Chelsea to reduce their expenses by £19m, which is a considerable portion of the £67.7 loss revealed on their last annual balance sheet, released on 31 January.

There is room for clubs to manoeuvre in other areas. The entirety of a transfer fee does not automatically show up as an annual expense because clubs tend to amortise player acquisition costs over the length of their contracts.

For instance, Eden Hazard's £32m January switch from Lille to Chelsea would not show up as one lump sum in Chelsea’s 2012-13 accounts – instead it would be an annual amortisation of £6.4m (£32m fee divided by the five years of his contract). Add in an estimated salary of £8m and the total cost of Torres, as far as Uefa’s accountants are concerned, is £14.4m per year.

Furthermore, deep in Uefa's 91-page FFP document lies a safety net. Even if a club misses the break-even target, it can still be granted a licence if it meets two criteria – the trend of losses is improving; and the over-spend is caused by the wages of players that were contracted before June 2010 (when the fair-play rules were approved). However, that flexibility is only available for the reporting period ending in 2012.

"There can be objective reasons for making a loss but there must be a strategy of coping with it, over a three year period, for example," explained Infantino. "All of this will be analysed by the panel and, of course, as the ultimate decision, exclusion is possible."

Chelsea and City are the two English clubs most guilty of overspending and then using cash injections from their rich benefactors to balance the books. Yet both are on the record of being confident they will eventually become financially sustainable.

City have clearly made efforts to do so in the last two windows, with a far more prudent recruitment policy acting as a counterpoint to the extravagant team-building that followed Sheikh Mansour’s August 2008 takeover.

Yet there were more than a few eyebrows raised when the Premier League champions announced a new, 10-year sponsorship arrangement with Etihad Airways 13 months ago worth an estimated £400m.

Etihad are owned by the Abu Dhabi government and the airline's association with Sheikh Mansour, a member of the Abu Dhabi royal family, will almost certainly prompt strong scrutiny from Uefa.

The governing body stress all deals will be market-tested for fair value. "Nobody should try to be clever about the possibility of circumnavigating the rules," warned Infantino. "If the panel have the feeling that the rules are circumnavigated, then this corresponds to a violation."

Chelsea owner Roman Abramovich had seemingly made efforts to cut costs in all areas at his club before sanctioning deals this window for Hazard, his brother Thorgan, Marko Marin and Oscar. A blue-chip right-back and at least one attacking midfielder, with Victor Moses the prime target, are set to follow.

In July, Chelsea announced another signing, the completion of a three-year sponsorship deal with Gazprom, the Russia-owned energy company to whom Abramovich sold his controlling stake in oil company Sibneft for £8.4billion in 2005. The Londoners are trying to generate revenue by clinching other commercial agreements, such as a recent hook-up with Delta Airlines.

Both Chelsea and City will hope that Uefa's magnifying glass is turned instead on PSG, who have overtaken the two English clubs and a rejuvenated Juventus as the biggest net spenders on transfers since being taken over the investment arm of Qatar’s sovereign wealth fund in May of last year.

By following the wealthy benefactor playbook to the letter, PSG, like their mega-rich predecessors, can brace themselves for a what could be a bumpy ride.
 

OneHotspur1988

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Signing people on mega long contracts and one off payments is an easy way around the FFP rules.

There appears to be to many loopholes for teams to palm of with.
 

ethanedwards

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[quote="OneHotspur1988, post: 2931190, member: 15493"]Signing people on mega long contracts and one off payments is an easy way around the FFP rules.

There appears to be to many loopholes for teams to palm of with.[/quote]
Sorry, can you explain why you think this to be so.
Big wages are going to be the killer for a lot of clubs.
 

RichieS

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[quote="OneHotspur1988, post: 2931190, member: 15493"]Signing people on mega long contracts and one off payments is an easy way around the FFP rules.

There appears to be to many loopholes for teams to palm of with.
Sorry, can you explain why you think this to be so.
Big wages is going to be the killer for a lot of clubs.[/quote]
I think he means what we're apparently trying to do with Ade - reducing his weekly wage by giving him a higher than average signing on fee. So teams could start paying lower transfer fees, giving the rest of what they might otherwise have paid as a transfer fee to the player, and not paying him as high wages.
 

hellava_tough

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Interesting article

It looks like, overall, it might work. Obviously it depends if UEFA enforce the changes

I'm surprised the players haven't kicked up a fuss - extra cash injected into the game from oil money or the like, means higher wages all round
 

hellava_tough

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Sorry, can you explain why you think this to be so.
Big wages is going to be the killer for a lot of clubs.
I think he means what we're apparently trying to do with Ade - reducing his weekly wage by giving him a higher than average signing on fee. So teams could start paying lower transfer fees, giving the rest of what they might otherwise have paid as a transfer fee to the player, and not paying him as high wages.[/quote]

I thought transfer fees, signing on fees, agents' fees and player wages were all included in expenditure that counted towards FFP?
 

talkshowhost86

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I think the real test is going to be what UEFA do if and when someone tries to sneakily get round the rules. City's sponsorship of their stadium is a particular example and my gut feeling is that this is the sort of thing that will get clubs around the regulations.

I hope not and really hope that these regulations have an impact because the game needs it (plus, let's be honest, it would help Spurs a fair bit based on how well we are run).
 

RichieS

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I thought transfer fees, signing on fees, agents' fees and player wages were all included in expenditure that counted towards FFP?
They are, but you can reduce your amount spent in future years accounts by paying lower transfer fees and wages. In theory you could plan a summer where you only sign a couple of players and so can get away with paying them huge signing on fees but then as they go into their contract they're actually costing you less than they may otherwise have done.
 

hellava_tough

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They are, but you can reduce your amount spent in future years accounts by paying lower transfer fees and wages. In theory you could plan a summer where you only sign a couple of players and so can get away with paying them huge signing on fees but then as they go into their contract they're actually costing you less than they may otherwise have done.

It works out the same though, unless you have a summer where you sign no one - which clubs might do I suppose

TBH, if we had have shelled out £150m on wages and transfers last season, but not spent anything for the next 5 years, we'd probably be in a better position than we are now

Bit risky though if you're borrowing the money :)
 

bugsdad

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I think he means what we're apparently trying to do with Ade - reducing his weekly wage by giving him a higher than average signing on fee. So teams could start paying lower transfer fees, giving the rest of what they might otherwise have paid as a transfer fee to the player, and not paying him as high wages.

I thought transfer fees, signing on fees, agents' fees and player wages were all included in expenditure that counted towards FFP?[/quote]They are ,however you spread it they become annual expenditure.
If you give players extra long contracts to amortise the fee over say 6 years you run the risk of having to pay them for all of that period even when they have completely lost form and you want them out. Clubs who will be interested in buying them for a knock down price will be put off by their excessive wages contract that they will have to take over ...so it becomes a double edged sword.
 

Ribble

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But paying huge signing on fees takes large chunks out of your yearly finances. It makes more sense if you're building long-term to spread the entire cost out over that period, rather than have any lump sums whatsoever. As long as you're not buying 5 new players every year and stacking them up like you're playing Jenga you've spread the load over a number of windows and any extra income generated via success is free for other things.
 

hellava_tough

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I thought transfer fees, signing on fees, agents' fees and player wages were all included in expenditure that counted towards FFP?
They are ,however you spread it they become annual expenditure.
If you give players extra long contracts to amortise the fee over say 6 years you run the risk of having to pay them for all of that period even when they have completely lost form and you want them out. Clubs who will be interested in buying them for a knock down price will be put off by their excessive wages contract that they will have to take over ...so it becomes a double edged sword.[/quote]

Sorry, now I see what you guys are saying (after I worked it out with a pad and pencil lol)

However, I don't think the savings are there with the amounts we're talking about - the clubs would have to sign 10 to 15 year contracts with the players to make it viable, and even then the transfer fees would still need to be paid

And incidentally, which player in his 20s is going to sign a 15 year contract which he might never get out of?
 

Spursidol

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To get FFP to work in any way in the short term, UEFA need to start to show they are serious by calling in clubs to explain their 2011/12 accounts (FFP started on 1 June 201) and ask how they are going to change things round so that they comply before the first sanctions can take place in 2014/15.

Although Man City may be saying they have got the message, I think I am right in saying they were in the position of wages > turnover (total income), and in which case their business model still needs a big shake up (and I appreciate player contracts signed before 1/6/2011 do olt count etc). A review conducted by UEFA of, say, the 10 or 20 clubs most likely to have problems in meeting FFP would send out signals that UEFA were serious
 

StartingPrice

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Yeah, interesting.
As said in the other threads on this topic, UEFA will lose more of what little cred they have left if they allow these to be walked all over, and, I would imagine, those clubs who are trying to adhere will kick-up an almighty stink if UEFA don't.

We shall see.

1) I think the real test is going to be what UEFA do if and when someone tries to sneakily get round the rules. City's sponsorship of their stadium is a particular example and my gut feeling is that this is the sort of thing that will get clubs around the regulations.

I hope not and really hope that these regulations have an impact because the game needs it (plus, 2) let's be honest, it would help Spurs a fair bit based on how well we are run).

1) True. They'll be losing credibility straight away if they don't get tough on patently dodgy deals like that. On the other hand, I would imagine the Citeh folk will have had legal advice, and put some feelers out within UEFA to see if it was allowable, before going ahead with it. We shall see.

2) How could anyone have such a patently mercenary agenda...:sneaky:
 

Bobbins

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I hope to god this gets properly implemented and City and Chelsea can't simply mug everyone off and buy their way around it, but I have little faith in UEFA really refusing licences etc to teams who bring a ton of money into the game.

Also, it's ten years too late to be much help to us unfortunately. Needed this in place before Roman and the City gang come along.
 

ethanedwards

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I hope to god this gets properly implemented and City and Chelsea can't simply mug everyone off and buy their way around it, but I have little faith in UEFA really refusing licences etc to teams who bring a ton of money into the game.

Also, it's ten years too late to be much help to us unfortunately. Needed this in place before Roman and the City gang come along.
It's up to the big majority of clubs, who would benefit from FFP, to ensure it is policed effectively.
I applaud Platini for this initiative, it's a pity our own FA wasn't more proactive.
 

tototoner

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the richest team usually wins the league, its always been this way

cannot see it ever changing
 

StartingPrice

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I hope to god this gets properly implemented and City and Chelsea can't simply mug everyone off and buy their way around it, but I have little faith in UEFA really refusing licences etc to teams who bring a ton of money into the game.

Also, it's ten years too late to be much help to us unfortunately. Needed this in place before Roman and the City gang come along.

Ain't that the truth...saving grace is that we haven't been sitting back waiting for it to happen, but are, instead, well set with our new training facilities, exciting youth policy, pretty decent squad and early work on a much increased stadium that promises much improved revenues - all of which will, hopefully, at least make us competitive at the higher end.
 

rez9000

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Signing people on mega long contracts and one off payments is an easy way around the FFP rules.

There appears to be to many loopholes for teams to palm of with.
No, it isn't. Because the one-off payment still shows up on the balance sheet. And although the fee will be spread across the length of the contract (what's known as amortisation), unless clubs sign players onto twenty year contracts and then don't sell the player, the one-off won't be reduced enough to allow the loss to become inconsequential to the balance sheet.
 
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