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walworthyid

David Ginola
Oct 25, 2004
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I know that this season, as was the case at the beginning of the previous one, people's posts are being dictated by the teams poor form. There has been lots of negativity and in all honesty who can blame us fans for feeling a bit down?

What I have found astonishing is the fact that there are people already questioning the tactics of Ramos? He has played 2 games and had the players for training for 1 week, he is not a miracle worker. But still there are those who are moaning already.

I was a Jol fan and I could understand if the people questioning Ramos were doing so out of loyalty to the big fella, but they are not, they are seemingly just ignorant and disgruntled "fans".

I say ignorant because much of what I have seen written indicates people who wouldn't know their arse from their elbow never mind the finer points of football management.

Why did he play Defoe and Bent they say? These are probably the same people who have been calling for it all season. Why did he bring on Zokora for Boateng when Jenas is shit? Well, it may be that Boateng has just started his first league game for us and is not yet match fit. It may also be that Ramos always does that with his centre mids so that he can keep them competitive for the whole 90 mins.

We should be beating Boro, they are crap? Why did he bring on all 3 subs with half an hour to go? Why were we playing long ball? etc etc etc

It honestly just gives me the right hump that because I love my team and this site that I have to put up with reading mindless nonsense. Where do these people come from? Is there a special training camp with links to the club? I don't know!

What I do know is that Ramos is a top manager, probably too good for the state of our team at the moment, and that we are lucky to have him. He is trying new things, something that we all wish Jol would have done form time to time, he is giving players a chance who previously were not getting one. He has got Bent playing with some confidence and actually scoring a goal. He has tried to break up the horrendous Jenas/Hudd/Zokora triumverate, which can only be good news.

It will all take time, as he said, he just wants to grind out some results, build confidence and gradually introduce his ideas to the players. He is doing that.

Those who expected himto come in and instantly have us playing like Seville are just plain unrealistic, or stupid. I fully expect that once we have Bale, King and Rocha back that we will stop conceding so many goals and begin to express ourselves going forward.

The players are playing more in fear of losing at the moment than they are trying to win, but that will change. The problem with us fans is that we only get to see a small part of what makes a team tick. We do not see what goes on in training nor can we tell why a player who has previously played wel is playing badly. We don't recognise the importance of confidence in these highly paid young men, but it is a key ingredient.

At the beginning of the season we had a squad ready to challenge the top four yet now we are relegation fodder.

What has changed?

The results have changed. The squad is the same. Dawson is still a promising young centre back and Defoe is still a very talented young striker. Berbo is still world class and Lennon is still devestating. But they are all low on confidence.

I said to a friend the other day that if we signed Messi, Ronaldinho and Kaka in time for the Boro game we would still be crap. Good teams don't need good players, they need players good enough to play in the team. That is why Flamini is playing very well for the scum and O'shea still plays regularly for man u. They can incorporate lesser players into a great team system.

We need to give Ramos time to do that, it is what he did at Seville, he got lesser players to outperform better ones by making them work harder as part of a superior team system.

I hope that he is given that time and that if we are not playing wonderful attacking football by xmas that the home support does not turn on him. This is the last chance saloon for this current resurgence at spurs, if we are not careful it will all have been another false dawn and we will end up back at square one.

Then we really would have something to complain about.
 

Chatterbox1169

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Too much to read after a few beers. Will come back tomorrow and give your effort the justice it deserves! :oops:
 

SpurSince57

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All I'd disagree with is the statement that at the start of the season we had a squad to challenge the top four. We didn't.

I have the strangest feeling that those of us who were strongest in supporting Jol will also be the ones who will be supporting Ramos most strongly if we don't get an immediate turn-around in results. If nothing else, he allowed Bent to show he isn't the new Rasiak.
 

walworthyid

David Ginola
Oct 25, 2004
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All I'd disagree with is the statement that at the start of the season we had a squad to challenge the top four. We didn't.

I have the strangest feeling that those of us who were strongest in supporting Jol will also be the ones who will be supporting Ramos most strongly if we don't get an immediate turn-around in results. If nothing else, he allowed Bent to show he isn't the new Rasiak.

I didn't mean to say that we DO or DON'T have a top 4 squad, as I said in my post it is about the system rather than the players. We never had a squad to challenge the top 4 3 seasons ago but we still challenged them and many felt that we actually deserved to be 4th that season. What we did have was a system that worked and players that could play in it.

Ramos will turn it around because he is a man that has come in with a winning formula, he will shape his squad around that formula and not the other way around.

He just needs time!
 

PT

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That's the whole laughable point though SS57. Those that have this hang-up about Bent being purchased for way above market value and he's not worth half that, not a premiership striker etc.

Bent has been injured and in and out of a poorly performing team.

I'm just relieved that Ramos is not pre-judging his inherited squad and is giving players an opportunity to play to his strategies.

The main missing ingredient is confidence in our own collective ability. Add to that the angst of a 36000 home crowd and key injuries at inopportune times and voila - bottom three after eleven games.
 

SpurSince57

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I'm just amazed that some of our resident expert tacticians haven't slated him for failing to play 4-5-1 away from home, or 3-5-2 because it works a treat with their Sunday morning sides.
 

alfiespurs

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Aug 8, 2006
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Well done Ramos ! Unlike the dearly departed Jol, you have thr bsalls to make decisisons... lets turn this bunch into performers ... lets get a top 11 finish .. GET RID of Berbatov,Jenas come Jan ..
 

Legend10

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Jul 8, 2006
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All I'd disagree with is the statement that at the start of the season we had a squad to challenge the top four. We didn't.

I have the strangest feeling that those of us who were strongest in supporting Jol will also be the ones who will be supporting Ramos most strongly if we don't get an immediate turn-around in results. If nothing else, he allowed Bent to show he isn't the new Rasiak.

2 consecutive 5th place finishes followed by a Summer where there were no significant departures and at least 2 significant arrivals points to you being wrong.

But I love theway that you state it as if it's a fact because you say so.
 

Ryana

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Dec 26, 2006
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I think most supporters are in a post Jol depression phase just like me. i was surprised at the starting line up as well. But Ramos is the manager and he knows what he does and why. Okay I was like WTF! in the first moment. And that's true that sometimes I'd like to headdesk when some of our players are playing the same old and absolutely bad game they used to be. And yes sometimes i moan. And i think it's because when you like somebody less than the others you easily lost your patience..:(
But they are still my team, our players and I can just hope that we'll start climbing back.
 

SpurSince57

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2 consecutive 5th place finishes followed by a Summer where there were no significant departures and at least 2 significant arrivals points to you being wrong.

But I love theway that you state it as if it's a fact because you say so.

Just taking a leaf out of your book, old boy.
 

Stono

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Aug 16, 2004
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I love the way you state that fifth-place finishes translates into us having a squad capable of breaking into the top-four, just because you say so. :) Being best of the rest doesn't make us top-four calibre... All you have to do is compare squads. An example:

Jenas <-> Gerrard
Zokora <-> Xabi Alonso
Huddlestone <-> Mascherano

Jenas <-> Lampard
Zokora <-> Ballack
Huddlestone <-> Essien

2 consecutive 5th place finishes followed by a Summer where there were no significant departures and at least 2 significant arrivals points to you being wrong.

But I love theway that you state it as if it's a fact because you say so.
 

DEFchenkOE

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Feb 13, 2006
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This is a very good post, and I fully agree with the points made. Ramos needs time, for me it will take a long tiime to turn the players we have into world beaters. At the moment we only seem able to play good football for maybe 20 minutes during a game. Once Ramos is able to stamp his authority on the team I'm positive we'll be a force again but as fans we'll have to be patient. People think we should just walk over Boro away but that's never going to be the case.
 

41john

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Mar 4, 2007
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great post, gave you + reputation for it.

Any fan that talks about relegation or is prejudging players that havent yet been given a chance, and Ramos that has only just started are stupid. Give it time.


We all know how poor we have been Away over the last two seasons. and something we need to improve upon. at the moment i would take any away points as a bonus to be honest, though middlesborough were an easy chance of an away win, like we did last season.

Just had a look of our next lot of home fixtures and they are, Wigan, birmingham, man city, fulham, reading, and sunderland. all before Man Utd pay us a visit at the start of february. I Can see us picking up plenty of points in those games, to be honest i think we are capable of winning them all! even with our current team, and frailties. so i think we have every reason to be confident that we will turn the corner and stop the media focusing on our every mistake (well theres hope anyway)
 
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