FIFA Women's World Cup 2019

DC Hotspur

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Can some of our American posters explain to me why I am seeing lots of tweeting about a dropped flag? Seems like a lot of fuss over nothing.

Is it really that important?
Symbolically, it is considered important - perhaps because it has been used to represent America itself. As you may know, our whole national anthem is about whether the flag still flies over Ft. McHenry in the War of 1812 after a night of bombardment by the Brits. Symbolically, the country survived just as the flag did that night.
 

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She literally took studs from a lunging defender to her torso...you guys are deluded by your dislike for Americans I think.
Oh come on, one of my best friends is American. And Rose Lavelle is probably my favourite player.

But the USA were definitely the most 'professional' team and as such Morgan knows when to go down easily. I could find an example in every game.
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Oh come on, one of my best friends is American. And Rose Lavelle is probably my favourite player.

But the USA were definitely the most 'professional' team and as such Morgan knows when to go down easily. I could find an example in every game.
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Perhaps you're right that she knows when to make sure the refs see it (like Kane, Dele, Lamela, etc. She is after all a pro herself) but in this particular case that was a foul if she didn't go down at all. If you kick out for the ball and miss it but make contact with another player's shoulder with the studs of your boot, you fouled her. It was dangerous play and she could have been sent off for it. As it was, she received a yellow I think and a penalty was awarded. Appropriate. Morgan went down earlier on what was a bit soft of a call (and no different than what you see every weekend in the PL) but this was a foul all day. It wasn't intentional, but it was a foul.
 

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Can some of our American posters explain to me why I am seeing lots of tweeting about a dropped flag? Seems like a lot of fuss over nothing.

Is it really that important?
The flag isn't supposed to touch the ground.

But it also isn't supposed to be used symbolically in clothing and everyone seems okay ignoring that one. But hey, people love to get outraged in 2019.
 

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The flag isn't supposed to touch the ground.

But it also isn't supposed to be used symbolically in clothing and everyone seems okay ignoring that one. But hey, people love to get outraged in 2019.
Well, it’s no more bizarre than maintaining a monarchy and have a bizarre set of rules and etiquette regarding how these otherwise normal humans can be introduced, greeted, spoken to, etc. I can’t count how many times the UK press has gone into meltdown because one of these rules of etiquette were ignored or otherwise breached out of ignorance of them. It’s a cultural tradition that is important to many in the UK and that’s fine. It would pretty bizarre if both countries observed and venerated the same cultural traditions and symbols in exactly the same way. These differences make life interesting.
 

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For example, you'll never see the American flag written on at a stadium like you see with the England flag (and other countries). That one would really get a widespread negative reaction. But like you said, bizarre cultural rules.
 

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Can some of our American posters explain to me why I am seeing lots of tweeting about a dropped flag? Seems like a lot of fuss over nothing.

Is it really that important?
because conservatives are butt-hurt that rapinhoe kneels for the anthem and the team has largely snubbed trump.
 

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hey, we dont have a royal family
A tradition that's been around in some form or other for over a thousand years and more, and is barely taken seriously by it's own citizens, is hardly comparable to millions of people getting deliberately butthurt over the putting down on the floor of a flag which is barely 200 years old.

It's part of the American attempt to have a history and identity, that's all. As weird as thanking "veterans" for their service and standing and singing the national anthem in schools. Forced patriotism for no reason other than itself.
 

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A tradition that's been around in some form or other for over a thousand years and more, and is barely taken seriously by it's own citizens, is hardly comparable to millions of people getting deliberately butthurt over the putting down on the floor of a flag which is barely 200 years old.

It's part of the American attempt to have a history and identity, that's all. As weird as thanking "veterans" for their service and standing and singing the national anthem in schools. Forced patriotism for no reason other than itself.
"barely taken seriously" - according to wiki a million people turned out along the route and 25 million of your citizens watched the 2011 royal wedding on TV. Thats a shit-ton more than are bellyaching about the flag here. I hadnt heard about it until I read it here. You call your navy the Royal Navy, and your mail the Royal Mail even though that royal family has nothing to do with it. It permeates every level of your society whether you want to admit it or not.
 

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A tradition that's been around in some form or other for over a thousand years and more, and is barely taken seriously by it's own citizens, is hardly comparable to millions of people getting deliberately butthurt over the putting down on the floor of a flag which is barely 200 years old.

It's part of the American attempt to have a history and identity, that's all. As weird as thanking "veterans" for their service and standing and singing the national anthem in schools. Forced patriotism for no reason other than itself.
The tradition of thanking veterans for their service was a reaction to a reexamination of how Vietnam veterans were (mis)treated after they came home. I don’t recall singing the national anthem in school regularly. We did the pledge of allegiance but I’ve read that tradition is fading away.

We’re all going to appear weird to another culture...what’s really weird is you don’t seem to get that it applies to the UK as well. As for the age of the tradition somehow validating the “weirdness,” no kid follows a tradition because it has been a tradition for x hundred of years before them, they follow a tradition because it is the tradition when they are growing up. Americans remove their caps/hats when the national anthem is played....I didn’t start doing that because it was done 1000 or 200 or 100 or 50 years ago, I followed it because my father and my grandfather did it when I was a child as a gesture of thanks and appreciation for the country and the privileges, rights, and freedoms it provides.

Is it weird that so many in your country revere a royal family whose royal station depends on Henry VIII’s shenanigans or the “disappearance” of two young princes, etc. ? It seems so to many of us but that’s cool I suppose.

The reality of the flag thing is I hadn’t heard a thing about this flag dropping controversy until I read about it here - and I live in Washington DC. The vast majority of Americans who have any knowledge at all about the women’s World Cup are very proud of these women and I would bet a far smaller percentage of the US have a problem with her dropping that flag (indeed have any knowledge of it at all) than the percentage of UK citizens who disapprove of Meghan Markle for one dumb reason or another.

The only controversy I’ve seen here in the US concerns Rapinoe’s spat with Donald Trump and the equal pay thing.

What’s really weird is not that a vocal minority of folks are offended that the flag hit the ground but rather
your reaction to it.
 

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A tradition that's been around in some form or other for over a thousand years and more, and is barely taken seriously by it's own citizens, is hardly comparable to millions of people getting deliberately butthurt over the putting down on the floor of a flag which is barely 200 years old.

It's part of the American attempt to have a history and identity, that's all. As weird as thanking "veterans" for their service and standing and singing the national anthem in schools. Forced patriotism for no reason other than itself.
Thousand years, entirely normal that is; what's to see? Pesky, former colonies and their silly flags on the other hand! I'm a Brit, but a dual citizen. The flag incident barely got any coverage over here in the US. Fox and other right-wing outlets probably ran it, which inevitably rallied some rah rah dungaree types.

The Royal family, on the other hand, a tradition that's taken seriously by millions of its own citizens despite what you say, and also by millions across the world.

It's the Pledge of Allegiance that's recited daily in many schools, not the national anthem. Neither speak of saving their gracious queen, nor of ruling the waves a la Rule Britannia.

There's plenty of patriotic BS to go around.
 
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I didn't follow the Women's WC but I'm seeing a lot of content on social media about the US team seemingly intent on being pretty obnoxious whilst demanding to be treated fairly. Imagine the outrage if this was an international men's side posting this content:


Not a good look but hardly anything earth shattering. It also seems like it was just 1 player that was being obnoxious the rest were just celebrating after winning a World Cup...take a look at some of the Washington Capitals celebrations from when they won the Stanley Cup. I'm not sure how this shows that they shouldn't expect to be treated fairly...to me this is just people looking for something to be pissed off about.
 
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