Financial Fairplay 2.0

[Lilbaz]

I really like the idea of unused 21 year olds filtering down the leagues and strengthening the weaker teams. It'll be really beneficial for the league's themselves in terms of competitiveness and to the national associations.

I do reckon that the bigger teams will be able to circumvent complete loss of control over their "assets" by selling with buyback clauses.

Just a thought.

They will but they wont have too much leverage as they'll have to go.

 

['O Zio]

I do reckon that the bigger teams will be able to circumvent complete loss of control over their "assets" by selling with buyback clauses.

Just a thought.

That may well end up being the case but it's definitely preferable to the current system

 

[WalkerboyUK]

2 year European competition ban for AC Milan!!!

 

[Col_M]

2 year European competition ban for AC Milan!!!

Now they’re a nobody they are easy prey.

 

[Saoirse]

2 year European competition ban for AC Milan!!!

Think the Mirror have it wrong. It's a standard sentence of a one-year ban, applied to any competition they'd have qualified for in the next two seasons. So since they'd have been in the Europa in 18/19 they'll miss that, but be eligible again in 19/20 if they get their house in order.

 

[wirE]

ac milan excluded from this season europe league due to financial

Think the Mirror have it wrong. It's a standard sentence of a one-year ban, applied to any competition they'd have qualified for in the next two seasons. So since they'd have been in the Europa in 18/19 they'll miss that, but be eligible again in 19/20 if they get their house in order.

When you say 'they've been in the europa league in 18/19' does that apply to the fact that they've qualified for the EL last season? To be PC, they haven't played any qualifying rounds yet..

 

[spursfan77]

Anyone know how AC Milan are different from PSG and Man City?

Is it just down to not having a made up sponsor from the owner?

 

[Marty]

Anyone know how AC Milan are different from PSG and Man City?

Is it just down to not having a made up sponsor from the owner?

PSG and City are spending their owners' money while AC Milan are spending borrowed hedge fund money.

But yeah, the last question you pose is the thick of it. PSG and City's creative accounting is easier to hide.

 

[Col_M]

Anyone know how AC Milan are different from PSG and Man City?

Is it just down to not having a made up sponsor from the owner?

They aren't giants of football anymore. Football Fodder

 

[Saoirse]

I don't actually buy the argument that UEFA's deliberately letting off the big boys in this case. I think they're genuinely behind FFP. But its interactions with EU law are hideously complicated, and they have to make very, very certain that their verdicts are 110% legally watertight unless and until they can agree exemptions from various directives. Milan are owned by a moron who's put it on an eminently unstable financial footing - notably they haven't failed solely on the break-even requirements. City and PSG are seemingly stable financially which is a big difference, and even then PSG have been told they'll have to raise money in the transfer window (they got around things by "loaning" M'Bappe for a year). By most accounts the point of that is to get their squad value as high as possible before the rules are possibly tightened with EU agreement - if that happens I do believe FFP will succeed at least in stopping any future Citys and PSGs, and somewhat curtailing the existing ones.

 

[Lilbaz]

I don't actually buy the argument that UEFA's deliberately letting off the big boys in this case. I think they're genuinely behind FFP. But its interactions with EU law are hideously complicated, and they have to make very, very certain that their verdicts are 110% legally watertight unless and until they can agree exemptions from various directives. Milan are owned by a moron who's put it on an eminently unstable financial footing - notably they haven't failed solely on the break-even requirements. City and PSG are seemingly stable financially which is a big difference, and even then PSG have been told they'll have to raise money in the transfer window (they got around things by "loaning" M'Bappe for a year). By most accounts the point of that is to get their squad value as high as possible before the rules are possibly tightened with EU agreement - if that happens I do believe FFP will succeed at least in stopping any future Citys and PSGs, and somewhat curtailing the existing ones.

PSG only have to sell because uefa changed the ffp rules as what counts as a viable sponsor towards ffp. That is why they have till the end of the month.

The accounting rules have changed which will only come into play next year but will make it a lot easier and faster for uefa to investigate cases.

Still no word on the net spend limit or loan players. Guessing that they are trying to get the eu to back that before it's brought in.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

I don't actually buy the argument that UEFA's deliberately letting off the big boys in this case. I think they're genuinely behind FFP. But its interactions with EU law are hideously complicated, and they have to make very, very certain that their verdicts are 110% legally watertight unless and until they can agree exemptions from various directives. Milan are owned by a moron who's put it on an eminently unstable financial footing - notably they haven't failed solely on the break-even requirements. City and PSG are seemingly stable financially which is a big difference, and even then PSG have been told they'll have to raise money in the transfer window (they got around things by "loaning" M'Bappe for a year). By most accounts the point of that is to get their squad value as high as possible before the rules are possibly tightened with EU agreement - if that happens I do believe FFP will succeed at least in stopping any future Citys and PSGs, and somewhat curtailing the existing ones.

Music to Real, Barca, ManU, Juve, Bayern’s ears

 

[allatsea]

Music to Real, Barca, ManU, Juve, Bayern’s ears

The classic case of bolting the stable door after the horse has bolted.

 

[WalkerboyUK]

Not directly related to this original post, but Birmingham City have been given a 9 point deduction for financial mismanagement.
I get why there has to be a punishment, but ultimately it punishes the fans and the players who had nothing to do with what happened.
That seems a bit wrong.

 

[Led's Zeppelin]

Not directly related to this original post, but Birmingham City have been given a 9 point deduction for financial mismanagement.
I get why there has to be a punishment, but ultimately it punishes the fans and the players who had nothing to do with what happened.
That seems a bit wrong.

I sort of agree, but onthe other hand it’s the supporters and the club who benefit from the positive effects of breaking the rules (cheating) and maybe employing players they shouldn’t have, so in a way it’s very fair.

 

['O Zio]

Not directly related to this original post, but Birmingham City have been given a 9 point deduction for financial mismanagement.
I get why there has to be a punishment, but ultimately it punishes the fans and the players who had nothing to do with what happened.
That seems a bit wrong.

It's always tricky but I don't really know what else they can do. I don't know all the details but I suppose the logic behind it is that by not sticking to the financial rules they've gained an unfair advantage over other teams in the division who have played by the rules. For example, if your team gets relegated and Birmingham stayed up by 2 points or whatever because they were able to sign better players due to cheating with the finances, you'd feel pretty hard done by I suppose.

 

[archiewasking]

PSG only have to sell because uefa changed the ffp rules as what counts as a viable sponsor towards ffp. That is why they have till the end of the month.

The accounting rules have changed which will only come into play next year but will make it a lot easier and faster for uefa to investigate cases.

Still no word on the net spend limit or loan players. Guessing that they are trying to get the eu to back that before it's brought in.

Big relief to know we should be in the clear

 

[Lilbaz]

Not directly related to this original post, but Birmingham City have been given a 9 point deduction for financial mismanagement.
I get why there has to be a punishment, but ultimately it punishes the fans and the players who had nothing to do with what happened.
That seems a bit wrong.

FA rules on financial fair play which is different to pl and uefa.

I think it's right as a fine is pointless. They overspent (cheated) giving them an unfair advantage over their rivals. This gives them and other teams incentive to abide by the rules.

 

[allatsea]

FA rules on financial fair play which is different to pl and uefa.

I think it's right as a fine is pointless. They overspent (cheated) giving them an unfair advantage over their rivals. This gives them and other teams incentive to abide by the rules.

Have to wonder how they remain in business with three consecutive years of significant losses.

 

[Lilbaz]

Have to wonder how they remain in business with three consecutive years of significant losses.

Owners backing probably.