Gareth Bale

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So IF Bale wants out enough to accept a massive pay cut and only wants Spurs, IF Poch wants him and Levy can make the financials work(lol), IF Madrid would accept either paying some of his wages, or a smaller fee than he's ours? Okay. Alot of if's there where the sticking points are aplenty. This wont happen.
 

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Subject to financials I’d take Bale back in a heartbeat. Even with his injuries he’s still an outstanding player, A MATCH WINNER, and we need to remember Real consistently play him out of position, not to his strengths and treat him like shit. Even if he’s loses his frightening pace he’s still got a lethal shot on him and an eye for a killer pass... pace isn’t everything these days so given his current attributes he can easily play anywhere in a front 3 or say in Eriksen’s position behind the striker... in the latter position he wouldn’t be so reliant on his pace and should therefore reduce the risk of damaging his hamstrings etc
Out of curiosity, you mentioned 'subject to financials'? I would assume that should a deal come to fruition it wouldn't be done in a way that puts the onus of financial risk on us and also negatively impacts our ability to pursue additional deals.

Funny how we as fans often see things in such interesting and contrasting ways.

For me, the 'big if' would have more to do with team chemistry and Pochetino's trust. IE: If we feel he could come back and augment the team's self-belief and overall togetherness, that's a big bonus. Conversely, if we have justifiable concerns about his presence causing friction and unbalancing our all-important team alchemy, that would nix any deal as far as Poch would be concerned.

So, yeah, I believe notion of Poch needing to have a knee-to-knee with the player in order to rubber stamp the deal, for me matters a lot more than the financials -- as I ultimately trust the chairman to make fiduciary decisions that limit financial risk to the club and allow the coach to move forward unimpeded with their transfer targets.

As for the player himself and what it would mean for us on the field.... I'm completely with you on his potential impact being sky-high for our team. He's a veteran who's won multiple cups, he can mentor our younger players, and just his mere presence in a front three with the likes of Kane and Son, is likely to cause any defense in the PL a moment of fear, before a ball has even been kicked.

In short, I'd be open to his return... subject to chemistry. :)
 
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Okay, so Gareth Bale (following on from my other post in today's ITK thread).

Firstly there’s the contractual situation. It’s widely known that Spurs have an option on Bale which states that we have 72 hours to match any offer Real Madrid receives (and accepts) for him. In that case, it implies they’d be obliged to sell him to Spurs instead (whether he’d be obliged to come is a moot point of law). This clause only applies to offers from PL clubs.

Now, reputedly, that clause expires in June 2019, or in 6-7 weeks’ time. However, that’s the 6th anniversary of us selling him on the (original) 6 year contract. His RM contract was subsequently improved and extended (see below). It’s possible the small print says our buy-back option would also extend beyond June 2019 in that case.

However, that’s all legal stuff. The general situation is at least as important. Bale is still potentially a great footballer. Anybody who’s unhappy at work struggles to perform consistently to a high level. He’s underappreciated by the fans, the Spanish media and Zidane. He should have left a year ago. The decisive goals in yet another CL final really were the playing moment to say farewell.

But he has a highly lucrative contract until 30th June 2022, paying him the euro equivalent of £600k a week (before tax) with a 1 billion Euros buy-out clause (LOL). He signed the contract. So did RM. Why should Gareth now tear it up? Would you? As an aside, he has lucrative sponsorship deals with Adidas, EA Sports and Lucozade that may well also be linked to him remaining a RM player.

What Madrid forgot (like Man Utd with Sanchez) is basic accounting; that a player is an ‘asset’ in your books, UNTIL they become a ‘liability’. Sign a huge contract and you can’t sell them for a profit. Instead, you have to subsidise their disposal at a loss.

So there is a stand-off between Madrid and Bale with Daniel Levy lurking in the wings. Netflix should produce the box set. High stakes poker and soap opera combined. Nobody, but nobody, is simply going to bale Madrid out (pun intended). They’re on the hook for another Euros 110 million or so of Bale’s wages from 2019 to 2022. Madrid buying his contract out (paying him to go) is a very expensive option. So they’d much rather bully him out (media and manager comments, threatening him with training with the reserves, etc.).

Of course, Jonathan Barnett (his agent) says Bale wants to see out his contract. That’s just sensible employee-law posturing. Of course, the Madrid PR machine is successfully portraying Bale as ‘difficult’. Fans are picking up of this and claiming he has an ego and is entitled and only interested in money. In fact, all Bale wants is a way out that doesn’t let Madrid off the financial hook. The nastier they are, the more his stance is going to harden (but as will his desperation to leave).

Gareth and his agent have been told in no uncertain terms to find another club (that he wants to go to). That’s easier said than done. But then it would be a question of haggling who takes what share of the financial pain (Madrid subsidising a deal, Gareth taking a cut, the new club paying the balance). The question is which club would have him and where would he want to go?

Barcelona? Er, no. Juventus? Ronaldo. Bayern? Maybe. PSG? Maybe. But I really doubt Gareth wants to build a new life for his family in another European country (and language) anyway.

So I think it’s the PL. And that means one of maybe 7 clubs (if we include Everton, with cash to spend). Arsenal? Chelsea? I think he’s had enough fan hate for one lifetime. He knows it wouldn’t be classy to sign for another London club. And Arsenal’s not a happy place. Chelsea has a transfer ban.

City, Liverpool, United? All possible, perhaps. I suspect United would want him most but they’re the least attractive of the three (a rich but unhappy club in the Europa League). Does he want to go up north? Probably not a deal breaker for him but would it be his preference?

And then there’s one known quantity. London. The club with first option on his services should he leave Madrid. The club that’s made massive strides since he left. The club where he was adored and enjoyed many of his best moments.

All the above is a combo of a little ITK and a lot of informed supposition. What I don’t pretend to know is how it will actually play out from here.

But I think I know where Gareth would prefer to go IF he’s wanted. And the man who makes that call is Pochettino. Rightly, people are concerned about dressing room morale. About an injury-prone player. About ‘taking back’ somebody who ‘jilted us’. All valid viewpoints. But all irrelevant if our manager looks Gareth in the eyes and decides he’s worth the risk.

Then it comes down to the haggling. The man who makes that call is Levy. He’d undoubtedly be looking for Madrid (in particular) and Bale (to an extent) to bear the brunt of the pain. Bale must know he can’t leave Madrid and earn his full contract. But he’ll want them to pony up plenty into whatever happens. The “loan deal” reported in the Sun is the most likely way around the impasse, though not at the figures the Sun mentioned. Tabloids don’t appreciate the nuances of accountancy and taxation on what’s called a fee and what’s labelled wages, and what’s paid in Spain and what’s paid elsewhere.

Forget the smoke and mirrors. Initially, it’s all about a 3-way split of £600k per week; what pay cut would the player accept and then how much RM and the other club pay each. The question is will our chairman be prepared to shell out what’s left of Bale’s annual wages after RM and the player have reached a compromise. Could an option-to-buy at the end of a loan be worked out? I think the situation is tailor-made for a Levy-special IF Poch actually wants Bale.

In the end, this is a situation we as Spurs fans think we’ve seen enough times before. A big name gets mentioned. Fans argue the pros and cons. And then the player signs for someone else anyway. History and logic suggest Bale will leave Madrid only to turn up at Bayern, Old Trafford or Stamford Bridge. But this time it wouldn’t be because he’s chosen another club. It would be because we don’t want him enough.

Personally, I hope we do.

Very many thanks, i can't tell you how much i've enjoyed reading your last two posts.

Absolutely fantastic to read and very insightful.

Please, please post more mate.
 
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dondo

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Don’t want bale personally the money would be best spent elsewhere imo.
He not the player that left us attitude wise or fitness wise imo. We should be after players on the way up not on the way down
 

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No thanks. Bale only ever signed 4 yr deals which implied, to me at least, that he was about " me, myself and I". We were clearly a stepping stone to greater things for him. I remember him not being available for games prior to his move.

He got his dream move we got our money. Rather than taking back an ageing star i'd rather invest the fee & wages in players which can be bought developed and moved on as an example.
 

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Like I say, if we can bring him in without that having any impact on us signing our main targets then I'm all for it. That's all I'm worried about. I guess we'll have to just wait and see.
if we sold Lamela for 20m then Bale would only be costing us 3m, we wouldn't need to replace our RB if he plays on the right as an inverted as our RB won't need to do as much defending:cautious: (emoji for the RB being a joke)
 

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Not sure I can go along with that. If Poch doesn't think he's right for us then we can't do the deal.

That is how you get in the Alexis Sanchez situation.
That’s not really what I meant. Poch will be offered one of the best players in the world. If he turns him down then he’s going to have to give levy pretty damn good reasons as to why. I don’t think it’s comparabke to Sanchez. Besides we’d only take him on a loan deal.
 

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I know this is the Bale thread but surely we must have our eyes on the dozen or so Real players who've been told to find new clubs. Reguilon and Theo, both young and very good full backs, Llorente (not Fernando) and Ceballos, again young and quality CM. Then you have players like Isco, James, Odegaard, Kovacic, Mariano, Mayoral, Raul de tomas who could move too.
Real are offloading a lot of players this summer so there's definitely a VDV type cut price deal to be done
 

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I think Bale's injury situation is just being overplayed. I guess his constant injuries seems to be his calf injury. Most times I have watched in laliga over last 2 years, its mostly he get this injury & then in 3 or 4 weeks he gets fit & straight away rushed in to XI and pressured to perform.IMO, he was rushed & each time he comes back without properly healing.
Incase a miracle happens in financials, IMO he can certainly get back to his old ways if we just be patient with his injuries and give him the time & space to heal. Records shows when he plays he mostly affects the game & scores and assists with ease.
 

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Can see the potential pros and cons.

Ultimately, if Poch Wants him... Cool. As its an exciting prospect, on paper at least.

If he doesn't, also cool. As I've reservations.
 

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Okay, so Gareth Bale (following on from my other post in today's ITK thread).

Firstly there’s the contractual situation. It’s widely known that Spurs have an option on Bale which states that we have 72 hours to match any offer Real Madrid receives (and accepts) for him. In that case, it implies they’d be obliged to sell him to Spurs instead (whether he’d be obliged to come is a moot point of law). This clause only applies to offers from PL clubs.

Now, reputedly, that clause expires in June 2019, or in 6-7 weeks’ time. However, that’s the 6th anniversary of us selling him on the (original) 6 year contract. His RM contract was subsequently improved and extended (see below). It’s possible the small print says our buy-back option would also extend beyond June 2019 in that case.

However, that’s all legal stuff. The general situation is at least as important. Bale is still potentially a great footballer. Anybody who’s unhappy at work struggles to perform consistently to a high level. He’s underappreciated by the fans, the Spanish media and Zidane. He should have left a year ago. The decisive goals in yet another CL final really were the playing moment to say farewell.

But he has a highly lucrative contract until 30th June 2022, paying him the euro equivalent of £600k a week (before tax) with a 1 billion Euros buy-out clause (LOL). He signed the contract. So did RM. Why should Gareth now tear it up? Would you? As an aside, he has lucrative sponsorship deals with Adidas, EA Sports and Lucozade that may well also be linked to him remaining a RM player.

What Madrid forgot (like Man Utd with Sanchez) is basic accounting; that a player is an ‘asset’ in your books, UNTIL they become a ‘liability’. Sign a huge contract and you can’t sell them for a profit. Instead, you have to subsidise their disposal at a loss.

So there is a stand-off between Madrid and Bale with Daniel Levy lurking in the wings. Netflix should produce the box set. High stakes poker and soap opera combined. Nobody, but nobody, is simply going to bale Madrid out (pun intended). They’re on the hook for another Euros 110 million or so of Bale’s wages from 2019 to 2022. Madrid buying his contract out (paying him to go) is a very expensive option. So they’d much rather bully him out (media and manager comments, threatening him with training with the reserves, etc.).

Of course, Jonathan Barnett (his agent) says Bale wants to see out his contract. That’s just sensible employee-law posturing. Of course, the Madrid PR machine is successfully portraying Bale as ‘difficult’. Fans are picking up of this and claiming he has an ego and is entitled and only interested in money. In fact, all Bale wants is a way out that doesn’t let Madrid off the financial hook. The nastier they are, the more his stance is going to harden (but as will his desperation to leave).

Gareth and his agent have been told in no uncertain terms to find another club (that he wants to go to). That’s easier said than done. But then it would be a question of haggling who takes what share of the financial pain (Madrid subsidising a deal, Gareth taking a cut, the new club paying the balance). The question is which club would have him and where would he want to go?

Barcelona? Er, no. Juventus? Ronaldo. Bayern? Maybe. PSG? Maybe. But I really doubt Gareth wants to build a new life for his family in another European country (and language) anyway.

So I think it’s the PL. And that means one of maybe 7 clubs (if we include Everton, with cash to spend). Arsenal? Chelsea? I think he’s had enough fan hate for one lifetime. He knows it wouldn’t be classy to sign for another London club. And Arsenal’s not a happy place. Chelsea has a transfer ban.

City, Liverpool, United? All possible, perhaps. I suspect United would want him most but they’re the least attractive of the three (a rich but unhappy club in the Europa League). Does he want to go up north? Probably not a deal breaker for him but would it be his preference?

And then there’s one known quantity. London. The club with first option on his services should he leave Madrid. The club that’s made massive strides since he left. The club where he was adored and enjoyed many of his best moments.

All the above is a combo of a little ITK and a lot of informed supposition. What I don’t pretend to know is how it will actually play out from here.

But I think I know where Gareth would prefer to go IF he’s wanted. And the man who makes that call is Pochettino. Rightly, people are concerned about dressing room morale. About an injury-prone player. About ‘taking back’ somebody who ‘jilted us’. All valid viewpoints. But all irrelevant if our manager looks Gareth in the eyes and decides he’s worth the risk.

Then it comes down to the haggling. The man who makes that call is Levy. He’d undoubtedly be looking for Madrid (in particular) and Bale (to an extent) to bear the brunt of the pain. Bale must know he can’t leave Madrid and earn his full contract. But he’ll want them to pony up plenty into whatever happens. The “loan deal” reported in the Sun is the most likely way around the impasse, though not at the figures the Sun mentioned. Tabloids don’t appreciate the nuances of accountancy and taxation on what’s called a fee and what’s labelled wages, and what’s paid in Spain and what’s paid elsewhere.

Forget the smoke and mirrors. Initially, it’s all about a 3-way split of £600k per week; what pay cut would the player accept and then how much RM and the other club pay each. The question is will our chairman be prepared to shell out what’s left of Bale’s annual wages after RM and the player have reached a compromise. Could an option-to-buy at the end of a loan be worked out? I think the situation is tailor-made for a Levy-special IF Poch actually wants Bale.

In the end, this is a situation we as Spurs fans think we’ve seen enough times before. A big name gets mentioned. Fans argue the pros and cons. And then the player signs for someone else anyway. History and logic suggest Bale will leave Madrid only to turn up at Bayern, Old Trafford or Stamford Bridge. But this time it wouldn’t be because he’s chosen another club. It would be because we don’t want him enough.

Personally, I hope we do.
Alright now do Brandt, Atal and Ndombele and would it kill ya to do some Ziyech
 
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As a Welshman I should love the thought of him coming back. That said I am Spurs before Wales.
So is he a diva. Well he seems to put it all in for Wales so suspect a return to Spurs and working with Poch is IMO likely to be positive.
I have decided if he does accept he is part of a squad on equal terms and accepts Poch's philosophy, then it's a yes from me.
Bale in form with our other stars would be frightening for the rest of the EPL.
 

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If we had Bale in our squad we'd be destroying Liverpool in the final hands down and we'd be serious contenders next year with Kane fit, Bale and Son off him we would be a force
 

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Okay, so Gareth Bale (following on from my other post in today's ITK thread).

Firstly there’s the contractual situation. It’s widely known that Spurs have an option on Bale which states that we have 72 hours to match any offer Real Madrid receives (and accepts) for him. In that case, it implies they’d be obliged to sell him to Spurs instead (whether he’d be obliged to come is a moot point of law). This clause only applies to offers from PL clubs.

Now, reputedly, that clause expires in June 2019, or in 6-7 weeks’ time. However, that’s the 6th anniversary of us selling him on the (original) 6 year contract. His RM contract was subsequently improved and extended (see below). It’s possible the small print says our buy-back option would also extend beyond June 2019 in that case.

However, that’s all legal stuff. The general situation is at least as important. Bale is still potentially a great footballer. Anybody who’s unhappy at work struggles to perform consistently to a high level. He’s underappreciated by the fans, the Spanish media and Zidane. He should have left a year ago. The decisive goals in yet another CL final really were the playing moment to say farewell.

But he has a highly lucrative contract until 30th June 2022, paying him the euro equivalent of £600k a week (before tax) with a 1 billion Euros buy-out clause (LOL). He signed the contract. So did RM. Why should Gareth now tear it up? Would you? As an aside, he has lucrative sponsorship deals with Adidas, EA Sports and Lucozade that may well also be linked to him remaining a RM player.

What Madrid forgot (like Man Utd with Sanchez) is basic accounting; that a player is an ‘asset’ in your books, UNTIL they become a ‘liability’. Sign a huge contract and you can’t sell them for a profit. Instead, you have to subsidise their disposal at a loss.

So there is a stand-off between Madrid and Bale with Daniel Levy lurking in the wings. Netflix should produce the box set. High stakes poker and soap opera combined. Nobody, but nobody, is simply going to bale Madrid out (pun intended). They’re on the hook for another Euros 110 million or so of Bale’s wages from 2019 to 2022. Madrid buying his contract out (paying him to go) is a very expensive option. So they’d much rather bully him out (media and manager comments, threatening him with training with the reserves, etc.).

Of course, Jonathan Barnett (his agent) says Bale wants to see out his contract. That’s just sensible employee-law posturing. Of course, the Madrid PR machine is successfully portraying Bale as ‘difficult’. Fans are picking up of this and claiming he has an ego and is entitled and only interested in money. In fact, all Bale wants is a way out that doesn’t let Madrid off the financial hook. The nastier they are, the more his stance is going to harden (but as will his desperation to leave).

Gareth and his agent have been told in no uncertain terms to find another club (that he wants to go to). That’s easier said than done. But then it would be a question of haggling who takes what share of the financial pain (Madrid subsidising a deal, Gareth taking a cut, the new club paying the balance). The question is which club would have him and where would he want to go?

Barcelona? Er, no. Juventus? Ronaldo. Bayern? Maybe. PSG? Maybe. But I really doubt Gareth wants to build a new life for his family in another European country (and language) anyway.

So I think it’s the PL. And that means one of maybe 7 clubs (if we include Everton, with cash to spend). Arsenal? Chelsea? I think he’s had enough fan hate for one lifetime. He knows it wouldn’t be classy to sign for another London club. And Arsenal’s not a happy place. Chelsea has a transfer ban.

City, Liverpool, United? All possible, perhaps. I suspect United would want him most but they’re the least attractive of the three (a rich but unhappy club in the Europa League). Does he want to go up north? Probably not a deal breaker for him but would it be his preference?

And then there’s one known quantity. London. The club with first option on his services should he leave Madrid. The club that’s made massive strides since he left. The club where he was adored and enjoyed many of his best moments.

All the above is a combo of a little ITK and a lot of informed supposition. What I don’t pretend to know is how it will actually play out from here.

But I think I know where Gareth would prefer to go IF he’s wanted. And the man who makes that call is Pochettino. Rightly, people are concerned about dressing room morale. About an injury-prone player. About ‘taking back’ somebody who ‘jilted us’. All valid viewpoints. But all irrelevant if our manager looks Gareth in the eyes and decides he’s worth the risk.

Then it comes down to the haggling. The man who makes that call is Levy. He’d undoubtedly be looking for Madrid (in particular) and Bale (to an extent) to bear the brunt of the pain. Bale must know he can’t leave Madrid and earn his full contract. But he’ll want them to pony up plenty into whatever happens. The “loan deal” reported in the Sun is the most likely way around the impasse, though not at the figures the Sun mentioned. Tabloids don’t appreciate the nuances of accountancy and taxation on what’s called a fee and what’s labelled wages, and what’s paid in Spain and what’s paid elsewhere.

Forget the smoke and mirrors. Initially, it’s all about a 3-way split of £600k per week; what pay cut would the player accept and then how much RM and the other club pay each. The question is will our chairman be prepared to shell out what’s left of Bale’s annual wages after RM and the player have reached a compromise. Could an option-to-buy at the end of a loan be worked out? I think the situation is tailor-made for a Levy-special IF Poch actually wants Bale.

In the end, this is a situation we as Spurs fans think we’ve seen enough times before. A big name gets mentioned. Fans argue the pros and cons. And then the player signs for someone else anyway. History and logic suggest Bale will leave Madrid only to turn up at Bayern, Old Trafford or Stamford Bridge. But this time it wouldn’t be because he’s chosen another club. It would be because we don’t want him enough.

Personally, I hope we do.
Great post and absolutely spot on.
Few other things to reinforce- Gareth doesn't have an ego problem.
Daniel and Jonathan B are very close and the original deal for him to go to RM was crafted well for both parties a long time before it happened.
All about doing the best deal on wages for us too and the impact that has on the rest of the squad.
How many wingers do we need as MP prefers EL over LM !! I know i know i know.
Personally i would absolutely love this to happen too!!
 
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