General/Non-Spurs Transfers

[goughie1966]

Nothing new but from the horses mouth. Hazard wants out, speaking after the game today:

Chelsea forward Eden Hazard says "it might be time to discover something different" after six "wonderful years" at Stamford Bridge.
"You know my preferred destination," Hazard told reporters on Saturday.

"I can decide if I want to stay or go but Chelsea will make the final decision - if they want to let me go."

In May, former Chelsea assistant boss Steve Clarke said the club may need to sell Hazard "to help fund other transfers".

 

[Syn_13]

Spoken like someone who doesn't even watch the league.

It's every bit as good as some of the other big European leagues. I watch a bit of La Liga and the Bundesliga when I can on the usual major sports channels. Even those 2 leagues vary from great to shite depending on the teams involved Hell, even the premier league has that. Serie A is not weak at all. Outside of the 3 you mentioned Inter, Milan, Fiorentina, Sampdoria, Atalanta, Torino and Lazio all give good value for money. Certainly no weaker than the next level down in Germany and Spain after their big boys, or even our clubs after the top 6. The battles for the Champions League and Europa League spots were all very entertaining this year.

All leagues have their merit at certain levels, and there's not a single league that is thrilling all the way through. Can't comment on the ones outside the 4 mentioned above as I don't watch any of them. I just wish people weren't so quick to judge or just parrot what other people say.

@Hakkz, the "funny" rating and lack of actual discourse speaks volumes. Don't think I didn't notice the "funny" rating you gave me last time I defended the Serie A earlier in the week when speaking about Ronaldo's transfer to Juve. You're entitled not to like it, but don't belittle others for liking it. More fool you if you can't enjoy it, or refuse to enjoy it out of pettiness or some misguided notion.

 

[Syn_13]

Nothing new but from the horses mouth. Hazard wants out, speaking after the game today:

Chelsea forward Eden Hazard says "it might be time to discover something different" after six "wonderful years" at Stamford Bridge.
"You know my preferred destination," Hazard told reporters on Saturday.

"I can decide if I want to stay or go but Chelsea will make the final decision - if they want to let me go."

In May, former Chelsea assistant boss Steve Clarke said the club may need to sell Hazard "to help fund other transfers".

To be honest, it's about time he moves on. He seems to spend most of the season stuck in 2nd gear (except against us, annoyingly). You can see he's lost his love for that club and the spark is gone. Still massively talented, but has become an Ozil type who only turns it on when he wants to. A move elsewhere with competition for spaces and renewed focus is what he needs.

 

[Cornpattbuck]

I think "one of the most exciting talents in Europe" is over egging the pudding but that's still a very good signing for West Ham. If they keep Arnautovic, then those two and Yarmolenko will be a handful:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44810938

Need to start charging them more rent, clearly... ???

 

[Ossie85]

Felipe Anderson is a terrific signing for them.
It would've been a terrific signing for any team in the top 6 imo.

 

[SugarRay]

Felipe Anderson is a terrific signing for them.
It would've been a terrific signing for any team in the top 6 imo.

He’d be a squad player at any of the top 6.

 

[Lilbaz]

Surely the opposite, dare I say it, they have been shrewd

Remember last year they made a huge 47m profit. Now they arent relying too much on the tv money

Ignore profit it is largely meaningless due to player amortisation. If you sell a player that fee is recorded on your books. But if you buy a player that fee is spread over the contract of the player in the financials.

So if you sell a player for £10m but buy a player for £10m on a 5 year contract the financials will have you making an £8m profit in player trading.

 

[am_yisrael_chai]

Ignore profit it is largely meaningless due to player amortisation. If you sell a player that fee is recorded on your books. But if you buy a player that fee is spread over the contract of the player in the financials.

So if you sell a player for £10m but buy a player for £10m on a 5 year contract the financials will have you making an £8m profit in player trading.

Sorry to be the boring accountant but that is wrong. If you sell a player the profit is the sales price minus the amortised cost so if you sell a player for £10m the only way you show a £10m profit is if their amortised cost is zero. I think your point is that profit and cash flow aren’t the same thing so a club might have profits but no cash.

 

[Lilbaz]

Sorry to be the boring accountant but that is wrong. If you sell a player the profit is the sales price minus the amortised cost so if you sell a player for £10m the only way you show a £10m profit is if their amortised cost is zero. I think your point is that profit and cash flow aren’t the same thing so a club might have profits but no cash.

It was a rough example, i am talking about selling one player and buying another which due to amortisation scews the recorded profit. Or do you disagree? The amortisation would be zero if he was homegrown for example. My point was that it is complicated.

 

[am_yisrael_chai]

It was a rough example, i am talking about selling one player and buying another which due to amortisation scews the recorded profit. Or do you disagree? The amortisation would be zero if he was homegrown for example. My point was that it is complicated.

Don’t disagree that amortisation makes it difficult to equate profit in one period with an underlying trend and yes if a player was homegrown the profit would equal the sale price.

 

[Lilbaz]

Don’t disagree that amortisation makes it difficult to equate profit in one period with an underlying trend and yes if a player was homegrown the profit would equal the sale price.

Sorry was just trying to point out that west ham making £47m profit doesn't mean they have that to put towards buying players. You have far greater understanding of it than me.

 

[Ossie85]

He’d be a squad player at any of the top 6.

Probably the same could be said about Martial and Mahrez.
That doesn't mean they wouldn't be great signings for any of the top 6 teams

 

[Ossie85]

I've seen Wilmar Barrios linked with Chelsea and Everton (one even saying it was done to Chelsea).
Take everything coming out of argentinian sport papers with a lot of salt, specially if they are related to a Boca player. They practically own the PR machine (the president of the nation, AFAs president, the league's president are all boca fans)
My opinion is Boca wants to sell him, but in the public eye they want to make it look like they are doing everything they can to keep him. So they make up offers from clubs.
The turkish media behaves the same way.

 

[SugarRay]

Probably the same could be said about Martial and Mahrez.
That doesn't mean they wouldn't be great signings for any of the top 6 teams

Mahrez would start at us, Arsenal, Chelsea and United too.
Martial is arguably a squad player as it stands anyway. Both are better than Anderson too.

I’d say Anderson would be a decent signing for a top six side. A great signing for the top clubs are elite players who go straight in to the side.
Would you say Shaquiri is a great signing for Liverpool? He’s a third of the price and more proven than Anderson, in England, Europe and international football too.

 

[Ossie85]

Mahrez would start at us, Arsenal, Chelsea and United too.
Martial is arguably a squad player as it stands anyway. Both are better than Anderson too.

I’d say Anderson would be a decent signing for a top six side. A great signing for the top clubs are elite players who go straight in to the side.
Would you say Shaquiri is a great signing for Liverpool? He’s a third of the price and more proven than Anderson, in England, Europe and international football too.

I wouldn't start Mahrez ahead of anyone in our team. The same goes for Chelsea and United. He could only start for Arsenal imo. That doesn't mean he's not a great signing for City.

I don't rate Shaqiri at all. How is he more proven than Felipe Anderson?? The only thing he's proven is that he's not very good

 

[jonathanhotspur]

On the basis of his ability, I would play Mahrez ahead of Alli and Son.

 

[SugarRay]

I wouldn't start Mahrez ahead of anyone in our team. The same goes for Chelsea and United. He could only start for Arsenal imo. That doesn't mean he's not a great signing for City.

I don't rate Shaqiri at all. How is he more proven than Felipe Anderson?? The only thing he's proven is that he's not very good

I don’t rate the ex-Stoke midget either but he’s done a lot more in his career, in both club and international football than Anderson.

Mahrez would start ahead of everyone bar Eriksen at ours imo. He’d start ahead of Willian & Pedro at Chelsea.
He’s clearly better than Anderson too

 

[barry]

I don’t rate the ex-Stoke midget either but he’s done a lot more in his career, in both club and international football than Anderson.

That's very disingenuous. One has won things based on being a very promising youth. This got him into the squad of a great club who still dominates their league, but ultimately saw him end up at Stoke. He certainly wasn't missed at Bayern.
How many Games would Shakiri play for Brazil?

 

[SugarRay]

That's very disingenuous. One has won things based on being a very promising youth. This got him into the squad of a great club who still dominates their league, but ultimately saw him end up at Stoke. He certainly wasn't missed at Bayern.
How many Games would Shakiri play for Brazil?

He’s also just been signed by Liverpool.
Played for Bayern and Inter.

Anderson only has promising youth in his positives section too.

I’d suspect Shaqiri would have maybe picked up a similar amount of caps for Brazil as Anderson has, basically none. Although, he was extremely highly rated as a youngster so maybe he’d have been capped a few times.
He’s done well in the international arena for the Swiss.

I’m not saying either player is better than the other, but one is being called a fantastic signing for any top 6 club, yet I’d say he’s no better signing than Shaqiri.

What has Anderson actually done? Lucas Moura is clearly better for example. Not sure why people are worried about him going to West Ham!

 

[Bus-Conductor]

He’s also just been signed by Liverpool.
Played for Bayern and Inter.

Anderson only has promising youth in his positives section too.

I’d suspect Shaqiri would have maybe picked up a similar amount of caps for Brazil as Anderson has, basically none. Although, he was extremely highly rated as a youngster so maybe he’d have been capped a few times.
He’s done well in the international arena for the Swiss.

I’m not saying either player is better than the other, but one is being called a fantastic signing for any top 6 club, yet I’d say he’s no better signing than Shaqiri.

What has Anderson actually done? Lucas Moura is clearly better for example. Not sure why people are worried about him going to West Ham!

Both Shaquiri and Moura are more wide forwards, Anderson more an ACM/10 type. But I personally think Anderson is the more talented - more useful lets say - of that bunch - based on the limited amount Ive seen him.