General/Non-Spurs Transfers

[Hakkz]

The EFL have looked into it and found no wrong-doing.

if he was sending over rubbish players and they was still mid-table championship would we batter an eye-lid?

Watford, QPR to name a few have done dealings with clubs where lots of players moved about but nothing was said?

Mendes even owns the manager of Wolves. It's a farce.

 

[Marty]

The EFL have looked into it and found no wrong-doing.

if he was sending over rubbish players and they was still mid-table championship would we batter an eye-lid?

Watford, QPR to name a few have done dealings with clubs where lots of players moved about but nothing was said?

Yes, they found no wrong-doing because the Wolves board have been very careful to not do anything the rules state are obviously illegal, while operating in the murkiest, greyest possible area. The EFL, PL, UEFA, FIFA, you name it, can't take action against it unless either Wolves or Mendes drop the ball spectacularly.

That doesn't mean it isn't dodgy as fuck and bending the rules to the absolute extreme.

 

[NickHSpurs]

If they aren't breaking the rules fair play to them, it got Wolves in the Premier League at the end of the day.

 

[Japhet]

The EFL have looked into it and found no wrong-doing.

if he was sending over rubbish players and they was still mid-table championship would we batter an eye-lid?

Watford, QPR to name a few have done dealings with clubs where lots of players moved about but nothing was said?

They haven't managed to find anything wrong with the gargantuan overspends at City and Chelsea either and probably won't even look at Liverpool.

 

[Blockbuster]

Yes, they found no wrong-doing because the Wolves board have been very careful to not do anything the rules state are obviously illegal, while operating in the murkiest, greyest possible area. The EFL, PL, UEFA, FIFA, you name it, can't take action against it unless either Wolves or Mendes drop the ball spectacularly.

That doesn't mean it isn't dodgy as fuck and bending the rules to the absolute extreme.

I totally get what your saying, but I think Fair play to them... they've gone from bang average championship club to premier league club who are harboring ambitions of a topp half finish. they dont just want to be in this league they want to compete.

They've found a loophole and taken some magnificant punts which have worked out well. I'm sure big seasons for Costa, Neves etc will mean they have to sell those players (for large fee's) and then repeat the cycle again. Any different to Real Madrid having a 'special' relationship with Spurs whereby they sign our best players? lol

 

[Marty]

I totally get what your saying, but I think Fair play to them... they've gone from bang average championship club to premier league club who are harboring ambitions of a topp half finish. they dont just want to be in this league they want to compete.

They've found a loophole and taken some magnificant punts which have worked out well. I'm sure big seasons for Costa, Neves etc will mean they have to sell those players (for large fee's) and then repeat the cycle again. Any different to Real Madrid having a 'special' relationship with Spurs whereby they sign our best players? lol

Respectfully disagree. I could say something very politically charged in response but best not. Safe to say I look at Wolves' owners and Mendes the same way I look at billionaire tax fugitives. They've found a loophole, they've exploited it, and they're all ****s for doing so.

 

[tiger666]

West Ham and Leicester have bid for Sturaro apparently.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Nah i dont buy it, he has a relationship with the owner, but alot of these players have brought into the Wolves Project, even signing on a perm deal.
Neves left Porto who he captained the side of in CL for this Wolves project.

obviously Mendes will be making money from Agent fee's but he is also putting these players into the shop window, most of the signings haven been young players, Costa, Neves, Cav, etc now they are looking for more experienced players, i think its a long term deal.

All clubs have releationship with certain Agents its a well known fact, they are part of the game. Wolves went from Mid-table championship to league winners. they brought good players, completely changed their style of play as well. from top to bottom players coaches and manager all buying into the same ethos, dont think its all down to dodgy brown envelopes.

Mendes is effectively acting as deal-maker for both player and club, which is illegal under FIFA rules. But it's very hard to pin anything on him or sanction the club unless they leave a money trail, which they've been clever about so far.

FIFA's next step in curtailing the power of agents should be to make it illegal for clubs to pay agents in transfer negotiations and for the player to be the sole payer to the agent, but that's not happening any time soon.

I don't think it's against FIFA's rules for an agent to represent both player and club - this happens shitlaods in football - I think the issue is that FIFA have regulations regarding agents having stakes in clubs. And the Wolves/Mendes relationship seems to have circumnavigated this by doing the reverse. Wolves are owned by a company - Fosun - The owner of FOSUN - Guo Guangchang - owns a stake in Gestifute (Mendes Agency). The EFL have deemed this acceptable because it's not the actual technical owner of Wolves who have a stake in Mendes's agency, though it's pretty tenuous, as it's the owner of the owner....

What this is, is a mutual back scratch, Both men have a vested interest in Mendes agency players doing well, and they are using Wolves to facilitate that.

Wolves aren't losing out per se (right now), it's the potential unfair advantage that Wolves have over competitors that's the issue and also the potential conflict of interest of an owner of a football club also being an (de facto) agent of players that football club is trading.

At some point there is a conflict in what's best for the club/the player/the agent and they may well not all be the same thing.

 

[Marty]

I don't think it's against FIFA's rules for an agent to represent both player and club - this happens shitlaods in football - I think the issue is that FIFA have regulations regarding agents having stakes in clubs. And the Wolves/Mendes relationship seems to have circumnavigated this by doing the reverse. Wolves are owned by a company - Fosun - The owner of FOSUN - Guo Guangchang - owns a stake in Gestifute (Mendes Agency). The EFL have deemed this acceptable because it's not the actual technical owner of Wolves who have a stake in Mendes's agency, though it's pretty tenuous, as it's the owner of the owner....

What this is, is a mutual back scratch, Both men have a vested interest in Mendes agency players doing well, and they are using Wolves to facilitate that.

Wolves aren't losing out per se (right now), it's the potential unfair advantage that Wolves have over competitors that's the issue and also the potential conflict of interest of an owner of a football club also being an (de facto) agent of players that football club is trading.

At some point there is a conflict in what's best for the club/the player/the agent and they may well not all be the same thing.

I see what you're saying, but wasn't Raiola investigated for being on at least two, if not all, sides of the Pogba to United deal?

Regardless, it's super dodgy for a club owner to hold a stake in a player agency and sign boatloads from said agency.

 

[Lilbaz]

I see what you're saying, but wasn't Raiola investigated for being on at least two, if not all, sides of the Pogba to United deal?

Regardless, it's super dodgy for a club owner to hold a stake in a player agency and sign boatloads from said agency.

Raiola got in trouble because he was paid by juventus and utd.

 

[Thewobbler]

If they aren't breaking the rules fair play to them, it got Wolves in the Premier League at the end of the day.

Don't know why people are bothered tbh.

 

[etchedchaos]

Bordeaux are being right greedy twats, they announced a deal for Malcolm with Roma, at the 11th hour barca have come in with a bigger bid and they're trying to stop the Roma deal.

But I am glad that we're not the ones being victimised in this.

 

[tiger666]

Bordeaux are being right greedy twats, they announced a deal for Malcolm with Roma, at the 11th hour barca have come in with a bigger bid and they're trying to stop the Roma deal.

But I am glad that we're not the ones being victimised in this.

It's business. They want as much money as possible, as would we.

 

[etchedchaos]

It's business. They want as much money as possible, as would we.

The deal was agreed, both sides even announced it. When have we ever agreed a deal, announced and then decided, 'nah, another club is offering more money'?

If it was rumoured as close, there'd be no problems, but this is akin to the Chavs stealing Willian from us and even then we never announced anything.

 

[beats1]

Dodgy as.

He is going to turn 32 in over a month.

Still worth a lot more than £5m in today's market.

Todays market is inflated for players who will get another fee later in their career, Moutinho wont get that. However you could make a case for him being worth £10m with him having two years on his contract

But its worth noting he is the end of an era at monaco, him and Falcao are the last of the big earners who signed before their tax bill came in. So Monaco would probably be happy to lose him and Wolves the only ones happy to pay him lots of money this season

The EFL have looked into it and found no wrong-doing.

if he was sending over rubbish players and they was still mid-table championship would we batter an eye-lid?

Watford, QPR to name a few have done dealings with clubs where lots of players moved about but nothing was said?

QPR and Stoke are far worse, who sign players only from Mark Hughes agents or his clique

 

[tiger666]

The deal was agreed, both sides even announced it. When have we ever agreed a deal, announced and then decided, 'nah, another club is offering more money'?

If it was rumoured as close, there'd be no problems, but this is akin to the Chavs stealing Willian from us and even then we never announced anything.

If documents weren't signed, it wasn't binding.

 

[allatsea]

Nah i dont buy it, he has a relationship with the owner, but alot of these players have brought into the Wolves Project, even signing on a perm deal.
Neves left Porto who he captained the side of in CL for this Wolves project.

obviously Mendes will be making money from Agent fee's but he is also putting these players into the shop window, most of the signings haven been young players, Costa, Neves, Cav, etc now they are looking for more experienced players, i think its a long term deal.

All clubs have releationship with certain Agents its a well known fact, they are part of the game. Wolves went from Mid-table championship to league winners. they brought good players, completely changed their style of play as well. from top to bottom players coaches and manager all buying into the same ethos, dont think its all down to dodgy brown envelopes.

What needs investigating is what happens when these Mendes players come to be sold. Are they sold because Wolves wants to sell them ? Or are they sold because Mendes has found a buyer that meets HIS requirements ? Plus how much of any sale deal goes to Mendes ?

 

[Blockbuster]

What needs investigating is what happens when these Mendes players come to be sold. Are they sold because Wolves wants to sell them ? Or are they sold because Mendes has found a buyer that meets HIS requirements ? Plus how much of any sale deal goes to Mendes ?

None of that has happened yet?
what can they investigate?

 

[allatsea]

None of that has happened yet?
what can they investigate?

What can be investigated now is what arrangements are there in place now for sales in the future ? Have these players been bought to be sold at a later date for Mendes's benefit ? Who controls these players Mendes or Wolves ? etc

 

[Thewobbler]

The amount of money these agents are collecting is criminal. I read the barkley agent got 7m. Alexis sanchez's agent got 10m.

Lets not talk how much mendes or raiola have gotten.

What can the PL or UEFA do though?