General Youth Football

[spurs9]

13 year old Youssouf Moukoko (No relation to Tonton Zola) has scored 30 goals in 16 games for Dortmund U17s

https://www.transfermarkt.com/youssoufa-moukoko/leistungsdaten/spieler/467720

 

[IGSpur]

13 year old Youssouf Moukoko (No relation to Tonton Zola) has scored 30 goals in 16 games for Dortmund U17s

https://www.transfermarkt.com/youssoufa-moukoko/leistungsdaten/spieler/467720

I've been tracking this kid. I don't want to be that guy, but he does look quite old for his age. If he is 13 that is a stunning record and suggests he will be quality

 

[IGSpur]

http://www.skysports.com/football/n...league-youngsters-are-choosing-the-Bundesliga

good article on why young english players are heading to germany.

Great article, will need to finish it, so many things to point out.

The funniest is the whole Premier League managers know if a player is good enough as they see them in training one. And why would they not play them if they are good enough.

You've got Allardyce thinking Lookman isn't ready for PL football, suggests a classic loan to Derby to toughen him up. The cocky and mollycoddled Lookman things he's better than that. Goes to the Bundesliga where one of their best clubs think he's at a level where he can go straight to appearing in their firs team. What are these German coaches/managers thinking they're clearly clueless. Big Sam knows what he's on about.

@Bus-Conductor also read the article on Dortmund. Another excellent article we are the Dortmund equivalent in our league. All the money made off academy players were before Poch arrived and we should go back to what helped us getting into that position. The difference between us and Dortmund though is we have the money to potentially hold onto these players and improve. There is a correlation between spending and standing but that is more on the wages. Just because we/PL have money to spend it doesn't mean spending it equates to having better players, you can end up buying garbage. The other nations know that but not England. As the Sky article says we would rather buy a ready-made average player than nurture and inexperienced quality player, even though the readymade average player will have to take time to settle themselves. If these kids we have can play for top 10 Bundesliga clubs then they can be squad players for Top 6 PL clubs, yet if we dare suggest a player is good enough you're ridiculed. Imagine trying to follow the model of France, Spain and Germany the countries with ridiculous players, who we buy from. Imagine thinking that is the way we should go, especially when our academies are better than theirs. I really hope that we see a massive exodus to other leagues. If Onomah was in the Bundesliga he'd be chucked straight into a CM of a Top 10 club rather than being told to work hard on the wings. Toljan came through and was bought by Dortmund and KWP is getting 10 minutes out of position against Rochdale and no one even cares.

Germany and all the other foreign clubs please come and save our youngsters.

 

[spursfan77]

Great article, will need to finish it, so many things to point out.

The funniest is the whole Premier League managers know if a player is good enough as they see them in training one. And why would they not play them if they are good enough.

You've got Allardyce thinking Lookman isn't ready for PL football, suggests a classic loan to Derby to toughen him up. The cocky and mollycoddled Lookman things he's better than that. Goes to the Bundesliga where one of their best clubs think he's at a level where he can go straight to appearing in their firs team. What are these German coaches/managers thinking they're clearly clueless. Big Sam knows what he's on about.

@Bus-Conductor also read the article on Dortmund. Another excellent article we are the Dortmund equivalent in our league. All the money made off academy players were before Poch arrived and we should go back to what helped us getting into that position. The difference between us and Dortmund though is we have the money to potentially hold onto these players and improve. There is a correlation between spending and standing but that is more on the wages. Just because we/PL have money to spend it doesn't mean spending it equates to having better players, you can end up buying garbage. The other nations know that but not England. As the Sky article says we would rather buy a ready-made average player than nurture and inexperienced quality player, even though the readymade average player will have to take time to settle themselves. If these kids we have can play for top 10 Bundesliga clubs then they can be squad players for Top 6 PL clubs, yet if we dare suggest a player is good enough you're ridiculed. Imagine trying to follow the model of France, Spain and Germany the countries with ridiculous players, who we buy from. Imagine thinking that is the way we should go, especially when our academies are better than theirs. I really hope that we see a massive exodus to other leagues. If Onomah was in the Bundesliga he'd be chucked straight into a CM of a Top 10 club rather than being told to work hard on the wings. Toljan came through and was bought by Dortmund and KWP is getting 10 minutes out of position against Rochdale and no one even cares.

Germany and all the other foreign clubs please come and save our youngsters.

I loved reading that. Goes to illustrate how he would have been a bad England manager for the future and also why its silly clubs keep on giving people like him jobs in the premier league. He's a dinosaur.

 

[EQP]

Great article, will need to finish it, so many things to point out.

The funniest is the whole Premier League managers know if a player is good enough as they see them in training one. And why would they not play them if they are good enough.

You've got Allardyce thinking Lookman isn't ready for PL football, suggests a classic loan to Derby to toughen him up. The cocky and mollycoddled Lookman things he's better than that. Goes to the Bundesliga where one of their best clubs think he's at a level where he can go straight to appearing in their firs team. What are these German coaches/managers thinking they're clearly clueless. Big Sam knows what he's on about.

@Bus-Conductor also read the article on Dortmund. Another excellent article we are the Dortmund equivalent in our league. All the money made off academy players were before Poch arrived and we should go back to what helped us getting into that position. The difference between us and Dortmund though is we have the money to potentially hold onto these players and improve. There is a correlation between spending and standing but that is more on the wages. Just because we/PL have money to spend it doesn't mean spending it equates to having better players, you can end up buying garbage. The other nations know that but not England. As the Sky article says we would rather buy a ready-made average player than nurture and inexperienced quality player, even though the readymade average player will have to take time to settle themselves. If these kids we have can play for top 10 Bundesliga clubs then they can be squad players for Top 6 PL clubs, yet if we dare suggest a player is good enough you're ridiculed. Imagine trying to follow the model of France, Spain and Germany the countries with ridiculous players, who we buy from. Imagine thinking that is the way we should go, especially when our academies are better than theirs. I really hope that we see a massive exodus to other leagues. If Onomah was in the Bundesliga he'd be chucked straight into a CM of a Top 10 club rather than being told to work hard on the wings. Toljan came through and was bought by Dortmund and KWP is getting 10 minutes out of position against Rochdale and no one even cares.

Germany and all the other foreign clubs please come and save our youngsters.

Something you mentioned in the Youth thread that I thought was absolutely genius is that German teams are picking up these talented English players for relatively cheap, giving them opportunities, nurturing their talent and then selling them back at a premium to English clubs

 

[IGSpur]

I loved reading that. Goes to illustrate how he would have been a bad England manager for the future and also why its silly clubs keep on giving people like him jobs in the premier league. He's a dinosaur.

He's one of about 20 managers in the PL who underrate academy players tbf. Though yes he is a dinosaur and the constant rotations of old school English managers is embarassing

Something you mentioned in the Youth thread that I thought was absolutely genius is that German teams are picking up these talented English players for relatively cheap, giving them opportunities, nurturing their talent and then selling them back at a premium to English clubs

It's mad isn't it. The PL have much more money than the Bundesliga, but also have better academy players. Instead of using their own they buy German players for extortionate prices. The Germans then think, hang on, their players are better let's develop them, then get even more money, all the while still bringing through their own players. English fans/managers/PL must look like complete mugs to the Germans. More money than sense

 

[spurs9]

Something you mentioned in the Youth thread that I thought was absolutely genius is that German teams are picking up these talented English players for relatively cheap, giving them opportunities, nurturing their talent and then selling them back at a premium to English clubs

@IGSpur
What players has this happened with? Can only think of Burke, who Leipzig would have made a loss on when you include wages and agent fees etc.

 

[Cornpattbuck]

@IGSpur
What players has this happened with? Can only think of Burke, who Leipzig would have made a loss on when you include wages and agent fees etc.

I think people are prospecting at this point, as the trend has only just begun for English kids heading over there.

Bar fully established stars, aren't players bought from Germany normally among the more affordable purchases in the PL?

 

[IGSpur]

@IGSpur
What players has this happened with? Can only think of Burke, who Leipzig would have made a loss on when you include wages and agent fees etc.

As below none. But I have read forums from German teams discussing it. Players have only just gone over and are finding their feet. In 2/3 Yeats maybe less depending on how well some do I imagine English club will start looking to buy them.

Even the ones that aren't massive successes. When you think clubs like Stoke can send 25m. If there's an English player like Willock who hasn't become world class then he will look attravtive and come with a premium as even those guys have money and quotas to fill

 

[Blake Griffin]

http://www.tribalfootball.com/artic...ids-after-mcguane-4222961#U0tekW0qrf3T2hVV.99

Jose Mari Bakero, Barca's head of professional youth football, said England's international success at youth level last summer has resonated across the continent. England lifted the Under 17 World Cup by beating Spain 5-2 in the final, and also won trophies at Under 19 and Under 20 levels.

Bakero said: "You may see more young English players leaving the country. There is so much talent there, some are seeing that there is little prospect of a big future in a first team.

"For Barcelona, it was not a big surprise England won the U17 World Cup. It is a reflection of the improvement in youth coaching. We have scouts working in England. Now we have a bank of information about kids that are 14, 15, 16 years old."

not the first person at a top european club to say something like this.

as much as i want to see our own lads make it with us it would be interesting to see what would happen if there was an exodus of young english talent(from all clubs) just to see where they'd end up and how our clubs would react.

 

[Hengy1]

http://www.tribalfootball.com/artic...ids-after-mcguane-4222961#U0tekW0qrf3T2hVV.99


not the first person at a top european club to say something like this.

as much as i want to see our own lads make it with us it would be interesting to see what would happen if there was an exodus of young english talent(from all clubs) just to see where they'd end up and how our clubs would react.

Can only be good to get kids out into other countries learning different styles with a prospect of gaining lots of game time.

 

[Danny1]

I think it's great that our players are starting to move on to teams in other countries. That will only be good for the national team, this year we have got:

Sancho - Dortmund
Lookman - RB Leipzig
Oxford - Borussia Mönchengladbach
McGuane - Barcelona
Egbo - Borussia Mönchengladbach
Willock - Benfica

Now these players will all hopefully play a lot of football & learn a different side of the game. I can see more & more young players looking at going to different leagues, even some of our own like Onomah, who would get into a lot of German First Division sides.

 

[Hengy1]

Went to MK u15 v R Madrid u15.

Some great quality football especially by the Madrid youngsters.

Finished 1-3 to Madrid

 

[IGSpur]

Went to MK u15 v R Madrid u15.

Some great quality football especially by the Madrid youngsters.

Finished 1-3 to Madrid

Was it a tournament?

 

[IGSpur]

Currently watching Werder v Dortmund, keeping an eye on Sancho and Milos.

Milos is having a good game, made 2 excellent blocks and save certain goals though the 2nd block did end up ricocheting to Reus who then scored.

Sancho really seems to be trusted as they keep passing him the ball, but hasn't managed to do anything of note yet

 

[Hengy1]

Was it a tournament?

No it was a academy challenge match.

A boy that played at my youth team from U7 to U11 before joining MK played today which was nice to see

https://www.mkdons.com/news/2018/april/under-15s-face-real-madrid-at-stadium-mk/

 

[IGSpur]

Sancho having a great 2nd half, should have at least 2 assist, Reus and Schurrle missed big chancse. He also almost scored a header at the back post hitting the bar

 

[Hengy1]

Sancho having a great 2nd half, should have at least 2 assist, Reus and Schurrle missed big chancse. He also almost scored a header at the back post hitting the bar

He’s definitely done the right thing getting out academy football and playing football.

The boys a huge talent and really wanted him last summer.

 

[IGSpur]

He’s definitely done the right thing getting out academy football and playing football.

The boys a huge talent and really wanted him last summer.

Of course there are definitely a lot more who I feel are stuck in the system.

I'm surprised so many fans wanted him when the only highlights they had were of him playing against other youth teams. I've read so many comments along the lines of, they're meaningless games, whenever an academy player is rated, so I don't know why he didn't get the same treatment

I of course wanted him to, but realistically what do you think would have happened if he joined us?

Getting out of England was a great decision

 

[Hengy1]

Of course there are definitely a lot more who I feel are stuck in the system.

I'm surprised so many fans wanted him when the only highlights they had were of him playing against other youth teams. I've read so many comments along the lines of, they're meaningless games, whenever an academy player is rated, so I don't know why he didn't get the same treatment

I of course wanted him to, but realistically what do you think would have happened if he joined us?

Getting out of England was a great decision

Tbh I reckon he’d pushed straight into our squad. He has that sort of swagger/confidence that I don’t really see in many other youth players.

I agree I a huge believer in getting out of academy and in proper football and if you can go abroad and into big leagues like Germany then go ASAP.

Obviously I go MK a lot ( ex academy scout too ) and just being relegated I’d love them to pick up a few of our boys on loan.

Harrison, Bennetts, Amos etc