Get a grip people!

[worcestersauce]

We've been a shambles since the board were caught with their pants down in Spain - Jol was undermined from that moment, he knew it, the board knew it, the team knew it, the fans knew it and the press, especially, knew it.

I can't help but think that we're back to square one again, or possibly worse - the Senior management team are still in place - so far as I'm concerned, they're to blame for our league position and general poor form. Good to hear the crowd behind Jol last night.

Anyone who thinks under Ramos we will be successful is living in cloud cuckoo land

Not true I'm afraid, we lost to a poor Sunderland side and we were humiliated by Everton at White Hart Lane, I know I walked home from that game knowing that we had been as bad as we could be and that we were making the same mistakes as ever, and that was before the Ramos meeting.
It's a sad day, I really liked Martn Jol and supported him but the board is there to make difficult decisions, I actually think they really didn't want to make this decision and stalled which is why it went tits up.
I remember Arsenal doing the dirty much worse on Bruce Rioch, he was a dead man walking whilst they were signing up Wenger but it paid off for them let's hope it does for us.

 

[Tottenham_OZpur]

What people forget is things only started to go really shit, once the board got caught with Ramos.

not true, the Sunderland and Everton game at home showed things were not going right before the Ramos incident. We already had a very poor performance ( too defensive ) at Sunderland then shipped in 3 goals I think it was at home to Everton in another poor result :wink:

The board are totally to blame for the results this season.

what a load of rubbish, while they can take some blame, Jol and the players also have to take some, in fact between them they take most of it for me, while Jol has made some errors, the players have let him down bigtime. We could have also bought a bit better, like a couple experienced players to give us some leadership, so Jol/Commoli also can take some in that regard.

 

[tototoner]

Right, we've been in a shambles since the board screwed up. Jol was great but I'm first and foremost a Spurs fan. Seems like some people love Jol more than Spurs so maybe they can follow him wherever he goes. They may have a better board at his new club so go cheer them on yeah?! And get this straight, Jol is not Spurs and he is not the reason I support Spurs so him leaving has got nothing to do with me continuing to support the team and wanting things to get better with a new man in charge. Bet Liberty feels this way too.

The board was wrong but its about time we got behind the club and cheer them on as from what I can see, our beloved Spurs need all the help it can get. Ramos, and we don't even know if he is coming in ffs, cannot be judged successful or unsuccessful until he takes over. If you are really a Spurs fan then you would want him to be successful, won't you. I'm a Spurs fan and if he comes, then I rather be in cuckoo land thinking he can turn things around at Spurs than sitting at home pining for Jol who has left for better or worse.

Oh grow up please, I know Jol has gone and i will always support the club but Ramos is not the answer

 

[sloth]

I will complain as much as I fucking want. If we do that to our most successful manager in the last 20 years

But we've also suffered the worse start ever to a Premiership season. Worse than under Gross, Ardiles or Santini. Jol's done well when the dice are rolling for him, but he's been dreadfully poor when the chips are down. There are also question marks over his coaching ability, obsession with football and tactical nouse. Question marks that can exist even when we're finishing fifth two seasons in a row.

then what are we going to do to someone worse?

Sack them I hope. But I want them judged not purely on results but on method and what they bring to the club. Results matter of course but when they're going against you it's possible to forgive a lot if the method and the obsession are there.

 

[ChubbSpur]

Oh grow up please, I know Jol has gone and i will always support the club but Ramos is not the answer

I think you'll find that is your opinion. We will know whether he is the answer once he is here and managing games but not before.

Jol didnt look like the answer for the past 10 games either.

 

[nickchrissi]

The hard facts however are this...

If he learnt how to coach his team to defend set pieces he'd still be in a job.

If he learnt how to coach his team to shut out 2 goal leads he'd still be in a job.

If he learnt how to coach his team to hold on to a lead in the last 5 minutes of a match he'd still be in a job.

And he still couldnt get us doing those simple 3 things in 3 years as manager!!!

Martin changed the face of this club in his 3 year stint and although he succeeded with two 5th place finishes things could have been SO much better. Games that we could and should have won during his time in charge just flow off the the tongue... Chelsea (a) FA Cup, Sunderland (a) League, Liverpool (a) League, Fulham (a) League, Arsenal (h) League Cup, Arsenal (h) League to name but a few.

I knew it was time for Martin to leave after his response to our disgusting start to the season was 'you've got to laugh'. Well Martin, you can laugh all your way to Ajax.

As much as i loved Martin and sang his name on the terraces he has taken us as far as he could and it was time for a change. Thanks for the good times Martin and good luck in the future! But i'll always wonder what might have been and feel you let yourself down a bit towards the end.

 

[Stoof]

But we've also suffered the worse start ever to a Premiership season. Worse than under Gross, Ardiles or Santini. Jol's done well when the dice are rolling for him, but he's been dreadfully poor when the chips are down. There are also question marks over his coaching ability, obsession with football and tactical nouse. Question marks that can exist even when we're finishing fifth two seasons in a row.

Jol has had two worse runs than the current rut we are in. And turned it around both times. Surely 'doing it before' warrants him a bit more respect.

Anyway, this is all immaterial, the day Kemsley and Co. were photographed with Ramos was the day that they had signed his P45. If there hadn't been this Ramos stuff, I sincerely doubt we would be in the position we are in now.

I hope for his sake that this Juande chap is good.

 

[PLTuck]

I semi agree with liberty in that I support Spurs, not any one person within it, however I have to take exception that the board have been responsible for our two 5ths.

Surely if this is true, then they are also responsible for our bad form this season?

Sorry if I'm reading it wrong through my tears, but it seems like you are saying the board take all the credit when it goes right, but the manager takes all the flack when it goes wrong.

The board screwed up. Big time. I don't think theres any doubt about that. The manner of the removal of MJ has been 'unfortunate' to say the least.

Having said that, I still believe the board want the best for the club (so they can get the best price presumably), and they have done what they thought was best. In a completely incompetant, amateur manner, but as everything, if we end up in the CL in 2-3 years, it'll be remembered as the right decision, if we don't turn our season around and it goes from bad to worse, it'll be remembered as the wrong decision.

Time will tell I guess.

 

[batigol]

I think you'll find that is your opinion. We will know whether he is the answer once he is here and managing games but not before.

Jol didnt look like the answer for the past 10 games either.

Thanks for that as that is exactly what we are talking about here. It seems someone else is stuck in adolescence instead. States an opinion and think it represents a global truth.

 

[sloth]

We've been a shambles since the board were caught with their pants down in Spain - Jol was undermined from that moment, he knew it, the board knew it, the team knew it, the fans knew it and the press, especially, knew it.

I can't help but think that we're back to square one again, or possibly worse - the Senior management team are still in place - so far as I'm concerned, they're to blame for our league position and general poor form. Good to hear the crowd behind Jol last night.

Anyone who thinks under Ramos we will be successful is living in cloud cuckoo land

You seem to think that the art to being a top manager is doing a good job when everything's going well. Which if you don't mind me saying so, is plain daft. Imagine Chris Boardman claiming he could be King of the Mountains if only it was all down-hill :duh:. The best managers are the ones who do it even when the chips are down.

Anyone who thinks under Ramos we will be successful is living in cloud cuckoo land

Why?

Oh grow up please, I know Jol has gone and i will always support the club but Ramos is not the answer

What's to grow up about, that's a silly thing to say, I don't know whether Ramos is the answer but what makes you certain he isn't?

 

[striebs]

....Sorry if I'm reading it wrong through my tears, but it seems like you are saying the board take all the credit when it goes right, but the manager takes all the flack when it goes wrong.....
Having said that, I still believe the board want the best for the club (so they can get the best price presumably), and they have done what they thought was best. In a completely incompetant, amateur manner, but as everything, if we end up in the CL in 2-3 years, it'll be remembered as the right decision, if we don't turn our season around and it goes from bad to worse, it'll be remembered as the wrong decision.

Time will tell I guess.

Yep , if the replacement does not work out then the responsible board member (Commoli?) must walk .

 

[sloth]

Jol has had two worse runs than the current rut we are in. And turned it around both times. Surely 'doing it before' warrants him a bit more respect.

Anyway, this is all immaterial, the day Kemsley and Co. were photographed with Ramos was the day that they had signed his P45. If there hadn't been this Ramos stuff, I sincerely doubt we would be in the position we are in now.

I hope for his sake that this Juande chap is good.

It's not immaterial in the slightest, it matters what people think. If it was me I'd want to know the reality and not some comfort blanket "it's the boogey-man board" nonsense.

And it's complete rot that "Jol has had two worse runs than the current rut we are in." In the first ten games last year we scored 15 points (which was poor), and in the mid-season slump we scored 11 points in ten (which was worse). That's an average of 1.3 points a game over that 20 game spread and it meant that in order to finish fifth we had to get 34 points from our remaining 18 games at an average of 1.8 points a game.

In case you're in any doubt. 1.8 points a game for an entire season his Champions League form. In other words to make up for two poor runs we had to play like a Champions League side for the rest of the time.

This season we've scored seven points from ten at an average of, well, 0.7 points a game, that's half as good or twice as bad as our combined previous poorest spells under Jol.

What is worse is that in order to finish with 60 points (and so probably in the top six) this year we'll have to score a whopping 1.9 points a game in our remaining 28 matches. Just to let you know, 1.9 points a game from the start of the season would net you 72.2 points and almost certainly third place.

That's a tough task for a team brimming in confidence and in a the middle of a good spell, for Spurs and our shaky defence and terrible run it's crazy to even think of.

This is officially the worst run of Jol's time in charge and worse by an order of magnitude. It's no surprise he went, not only because of the results but because of his methods, his tactics and his inability to get the best out of his squad. In addition to this he doesn't handle the pressure of expectation very well.