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bbunc

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Best case scenario is for him to not go bonkers this tournament. The talent is there. We don’t need to see anymore. Let’s not drive up his price or get the big boys hooked.
 

journeyman

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It was interesting watching him tonight. You wanted reassurance that he could fill an Eriksen size hole, but not so much that it would alert other potential suitors!

He was only ok tonight. I saw others say he played on the right of a 4-2-3-1. I felt it was more a 4-3-3 in practice and he kept to his right-mid position in v disciplined fashion (maybe too much so when Arg attacking). V left footed as others have pointed out and his first instinct throughout the first half was to look for overlapping RB, misplacing a couple of balls. One very good burst of 40-50 yards which ended with what I thought was a foul (by Davinson) but he didn’t get free. I didn’t feel Arg used him as much as they might have in sec half and I was left wondering whether he demands the ball more at Betis, where he’s the main man, and is not quite as confident in this side (naturally enough). He had one half chance in the second half, curling the ball about a foot over the top left corner of Ospina’s goal from the right side of the penalty area.

Two final observations:

(1) Arg nowhere nearly as well-managed as Spurs, obviously, and Poch’s pressing game will be completely different for him - but saw nothing to suggest he won’t be up for it.
(2) Would be shocked if we sign him during tournament - big signings rarely happen during major tournaments - and don’t assume because Arg lost they’ll be going home early; 8 of 12 teams in the group stages will go on to QFs.
 

dtxspurs

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And Real Betis could tell Daniel to fuck off. They dont have to sell to us. We hold out too much and it’ll fall through.
Well to a certain extent of course. I don’t think Betis are in a state where they can turn down 50mil+ offers.
 

spursfan77

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Best case scenario is for him to not go bonkers this tournament. The talent is there. We don’t need to see anymore. Let’s not drive up his price or get the big boys hooked.

We’ll see if he’s one of those players who doesn’t play to 100% when he’s got a transfer hanging over him. We see it all the time.

I’m not painting that as a negative thing, just that he might not have a great tournament if his mind is on other things. Good for us if it keeps other suitors away.
 

Dean

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Just watching the Copa highlights and it just seems like 85 minutes of fouls and falling over and 5 minutes of football. Brutal.
 
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Sounds just like the Grealish link last year.

Still not holding my breath on this one.
 

walworthyid

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Just watching the Copa highlights and it just seems like 85 minutes of fouls and falling over and 5 minutes of football. Brutal.
It is the main reason that I dont watch foreign football. Too much fouling, rolling around cheating, gesticulating and not enough actual football.
 

doctor stefan Freud

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Should have wrapped this up by now, if he's our top target and he wants us.

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SargeantMeatCurtains

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Should have wrapped this up by now, if he's our top target and he wants us.
We’re £17m apart from their valuation of him, just before he starts playing an internationally recognised tournament where he is bound to drum up interest or raise his valuation.

Why on earth would Betis sell him before that?
 

danfeen

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Long post here, chaps - apologies in advance. The first part is light-hearted, the second part more serious. :)

The thing is the year of millennium celebrations was actually incorrect. As was reported at the time. But we have a habit of seeing round numbers as more significant. We have a bit of a cognitive bias when it comes to round numbers. Economists have actually studied what they call 'round number bias' and there's tons of stuff on it on the Net. We have a tendency to like round numbers more because we find them easier to remember.

But, the logical state is as follows: (and I'm going to shamelessly needle @scat1620 @sage @DONOS10 @[email protected] @SandroClegane @Annekcma @THFCSPURS19 @Fidget @rawhide @Steffen @Qualsonic @spursdon1 @Parklane Spur with a little maths lesson - love you all, really! :)):

There was no 0AD. The first year of the common era under the Gregorian calendar is 1AD. So the end of the first decade would be 31st December 10AD, not 31st December 9AD, as is shown below:

01/01/01 - 31/12/01 = 1 year
01/01/01 - 31/12/02 = 2 years
01/01/01 - 31/12/03 = 3 years
01/01/01 - 31/12/04 = 4 years
01/01/01 - 31/12/05 = 5 years
01/01/01 - 31/12/06 = 6 years
01/01/01 - 31/12/07 = 7 years
01/01/01 - 31/12/08 = 8 years
01/01/01 - 31/12/09 = 9 years
01/01/01 - 31/12/10 = 10 years = 1 decade

Pretty simple. Can't really argue with that, right?

So the beginning of a new decade, a new century, a new millennium is a year that ends with a 1 (rather fitting, really!)

Now, <fully engaging sarcasm mode :)>, correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure the year 2020 doesn't end in a 1.

We might all feel comfortable with the 0-9 year thing, but it's no different to the 1-10 thing - both are a span of ten years. However, the logical position is that the current decade ends on 31st December 2020, not 31st December 2019. Logic. All kinds of semantic arguments can be made, but none of them can escape the logical state that a decade, a century, millennium ends in a year ending in 0, not 9.

I will say this, though: what's I find amusing is that this is a logical argument for why we haven't failed in something. And yet, we've got some who want to argue that if we win a trophy next year, we wouldn't maintain our record, when logically we would. I mean, I know pessimism runs strong in the Spurs fanbase, but I didn't think we'd welcome arguments that do us out of things! :LOL:

Ah well, there's nowt so queer, I suppose. :)

I'm going to be more serious now, and again apologies for the length of the post, but the main point for me is that we've made progress even if we haven't any silverware to show for it yet. What prompted all this debate is the idea that ENIC is some evil force holding the club back, because we've 'not won something in the 2010s'. But that's just the latest in a series of arguments that are one-by-one being debunked: Lack of transfer activity - that's only been the last two windows and ITK has said it's not to do with Levy or ENIC. ENIC are looking to sell the club. No evidence of it, but even if they did, so what? - the club won't disappear if someone else buys it. What else?

Ultimately, the anti-ENICers won't be swayed by anything. Even if we win the Premier League, I expect there to be the odd post here and there blaming ENIC for not winning it with the full 114 points on offer or some such balls. So we haven't won anything in the 2010s? And? Are we alone in that? Most of the League clubs haven't won anything for a far longer period than that. Does that make all their owners terrible? Of course not.

We have to view our club realistically. We were a giant, whose size diminished. If you want to talk about mismanagement, look to the Scholar years - that's what put this club back, not Levy or ENIC. And Sugar, although we must credit him for stopping the rot, didn't really do much else. As I said before, short memories. That's not to say that ENIC have done everything brilliantly at every turn, but there's a difference between individual mistakes and the overall direction of travel.

Under Levy and ENIC, we're on the rise again, but we're not there yet. The idea that winning a trophy within some arbitrary time period should be the yardstick by which the stewardship of the club is judged is ludicrous. What if we won a trophy in 2021 and then nothing until 2039? Would that be better than winning something in 2029 and then in 2041? One is an 18-year period that falls within consecutive decades. The other is 12-year period that doesn't. So the former is better than the latter?

All the signs, all the noises, all the activity points to the club's management determined to make us a giant once more - making us a club that will be looking to win something every year, not just once a poxy decade.

Once more, sincere apologies for going off on a very wild tangent. I know it doesn't specifically relate to Lo Celso's transfer, but the flavour, the underlying arguments, do. I'm sure the club is doing everything it can to get this transfer (and others) over the line. But even if we don't, there will be valid reasons for it. Let's be logical: if we, as fans, can identify the fact that we have a great opportunity to progress, surely the club's management do too? Given that, is it logical to assume that they won't do everything in their power to exploit that opportunity?

I think a small measure of neck-winding is needed - we're all very desperate to see new arrivals and it's skewing our vision a little. Also, an honest assessment of what we, as a club, are and aren't capable of wouldn't go amiss. Perhaps putting aside the Football Manager analysis in favour of a logical, real-world one...?

Mate didn't you listen to the TED talk?
 

Lighty64

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Maybe it's the selling clubs who play games

it doesn't play out that way when your playing FM, you put an offer in and 9.9/10 times the player joins. every team has their signings done on the 1st day of the transfer window, then you have to hit another button to skip pre-season.

the thing I'm worried about this window is spending an absolute fortune, and ending the next season no closer or better off. everyone blaming Levy for not spending last summer, and because of the amount of injuries and burn out to all our WC players. the only things I believe would of happened with a couple of signings would of been we would of most probably been losing less, and finishing a clear 3rd.

what might of not happened is we might of not made the CoC semi's, or even the CL Final. 1 of the players at the start of last season no one wanted to see in a Spurs shirt again played a big part in our whole season.

I didn't watch the game last night wasn't to well, but pleasing to hear Sanchez had a good game. really believe he is better in a back 4, and if Toby goes will step in and do a job. by the sounds of reading in here GLC was playing the Lamela role, good to here he likes to do his defensive work.

now we have to see what Levy does, or whether Betis buckle
 

Spurs 1961

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Tantalising window but I am trying to stay oblivious to the outcomes since nothing is guaranteed. Let's hope we get some deals across the line but I am not investing any emotional energy into any potential signing
 
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