Good Week/Bad Week

Discussion in 'Columns' started by Krafty, Nov 26, 2013.

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    Good Week

    Erik Lamela

    First Premier League start, and he wasn’t one of the worst players on the pitch.

    Jermain Defoe and Andros Townsend

    For Andros, a couple more England caps and one of the better players in the Three Lions two defeats. For JD, he must surely be due a run of games now?

    Emmanuel Adebayor

    Back in a Spurs shirt. Was this the start of his rehabilitation, or the personification of the manager’s desperation?

    Bad Week

    Hugo Lloris

    It has taken me 48 hours to get over those fourteen seconds. It was typical 2013 Tottenham – possession on the halfway line, two passes later and we are in our own penalty box, possession given away and a sloppy goal conceded.

    At least he saved the first shot and kept Ledders’ PL fastest goal record in tact.

    Andre Villas-Boas

    Where to begin?

    The single most alarming issue at Tottenham right now is that there is no hint, no whiff of anyone having a semblance of a clue of what they should be doing in any given situation.

    We look open and exposed without the ball, totally insipid with it. We leave plenty of space at the back but don’t have a plan for pressing. We are not blocking zones nor marking men, we have wingers crossing to a lone striker, or inverted wingers running into team mates. Every single one of the back four was culpable for at least one goal. We can’t sit deep, we can’t stop counter attacks. We can’t create chances, we can’t deal with set pieces at either end of the pitch.

    It is like AVB has taken the worse of every football system and put it all together in this Spurs team. It is the perfect anti-winning formula.

    If you attack down the wings, it makes sense to have some aerial presence in the box. If you have a right winger who cuts inside, it makes sense to have someone on the left offering proper width. If you have a sole striker, it makes sense to have people running forward from midfield. If you don’t have a playmaker to open up opponents, then you look to maximise set plays and a more direct style (again, requiring a physical presence upfront, preferably with more than one player within sight of that weird thing with the netting).

    If you have only one left back, not established at the club, it makes sense not to loan out the one established left back.

    Sometimes tactics don’t work. Sometimes changes in personnel don’t bring changes in results. But if you make the wrong changes for the right reasons, there is at least some hope that you will learn and eventually do the right thing. With Villas-Boas I cannot see what he is trying to do, let alone if it is the right thing or not.

    The system isn’t working, and if you take out Bale’s wonder goals it has not worked for nearly 12 months. If you have a wonder player then it makes sense to play to his strengths and hope he does the business, but we don’t and Andre’s attempts to force players to fit this system resembles a small child trying to force a square peg through a round hole. With the kid you wait for him to work it out, but after the 6-0 drubbing at the Etihad AVB is running out of time. One bad loss and the vultures will stop circling and start descending. Fortunately we don’t have to play the reigning champions....

    The other players who started on Sunday

    Want to hear something funny? Man City have had the most average possession in the Premier League this season. We had more of the ball on Sunday. Sandro put in the effort but unfortunately scored an own goal and throw up (not at the same time). No one else had that excuse for a truly shocking performance.

    Let's get sharing the content on Spurscommunity on twitter and facebook and what not and get more hits (and hopefully money) for SC
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Discussion in 'Columns' started by Krafty, Nov 26, 2013.

  1. Sweetsman

    I think the reason that so many players were bought was that if other clubs were aware that we were sitting on the Bale money then we would be quoted even more inflated prices than usual. I think that one player we should have bought in the summer was Sala from Basel: he tore Chelsea a new one last night. It is interesting what Paul Miller has said as I get the feeling that he is close to the hierarchy. Hytner's piece in The Guardian is interesting as a few hours earlier the same organ carried a report stating the Vertonghen had denied rumours of a rift. Furthermore, Hytner hasn't got it on his Twitter account, which is strange. The Telegraph has nothing on it: Jason Burt is very close to AVB.
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  2. Gaz_Gammon

    I don't disagree with your comment about other clubs driving prices up, but i'd sooner us buy players we need and pay over the odds than go all in and end up with jack's of all trades, if you get my drift.

    Man Ure never, ever, (to my knowledge) shoved three or four new players in their starting lineup. It was possibly one or two, but never say Paulinho, Lamela, Holtby,The Soldier, e.t.c. all in one game and certainly not against a top six side.

    Give Miller credit though (and he did not mention him by name) but we do need an Ozil type player come January, oh and a left back.
  3. Sweetsman
    Where is this interview with Paul Miller, please? I can't find a link on the Talksport website
  4. Gaz_Gammon
    Find the H&J page and you should see a link to earlier shows in a dropdown. Pick Monday and the Miller interview is in the second or third segment. You just need to move the slider along the time bar. Redknapps is also on there.
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  5. Bearyid
    I don't know how to do this but this is a reply for the WTF mark I had for this post.

    I'm sorry if you don't agree about not wanting Defoe in. But after the west ham game, where he constantly gave up the ball in good positions, and failing to do absolutely anything useful against hull.
    Baring in mind he should be in top form through age and because of his Europa run * I will get to that in a minute *
    He will be good for a mid table team and the main man in a relegation team. But he's 3rd choice at the moment, I'd be more inclined to have Kane get minutes ahead of him. Because between soldado and Defoe. Subbing one for the other is crazy as they won't change anything from a tactical view point just a fresh legs and hope for the best view.

    Defoe has been bought up a lot by press and other fans, as the better option because of his goal scoring in the Europa...

    Just no. We as fans may be forgiven for thinking this
    But sports journalists shouldn't.

    The teams we have played that he scored in is practically on par with the upper ends league one - mid/lower ends of the championship.
    Or the very least the defence is.
    But he showed in the hull and west ham game he can't cut it anymore. * I know 2 games isn't enough, but when you give up the ball as much as he did and stop attacks. Then you have to think it won't get better *

    I love Defoe, I would be happy if Defoe was the main man scoring the goals.
    But the simple unfortunate fact for us spurs and Defoe fans is. He's past it for us.
    * I would absolutely love to have to eat these words by the way, if he did somehow spark into life *

    If we get offered the 6.5 m from whoever reportedly was interested I would snatch it run and dump it on someone with a lot of potential. There are lukakus and bentekes out there for us. Just gotta look hard, or you know just wait till Liverpool scout someone and swoop in : )

    This is extremely long and I'm sorry.
  6. Bearyid
    Chadli - because we still didn't have a LW. He's a tall fast winger
    And wait for him to get more games and make that spot his own after injury before you question him further.

    Holtby - because of the promise he shows and how insanely cheap he was. Also we needed someone with his passing to fit the #10 role * although lately he doesn't look to be doing well there at all, I really don't know where he would be used to his best as part of the deeper 2 in the pivot or the number 10 *

    Erikson - are you for real ? We needed the creativity we lost in VDV and modric.. And this kid should do it. He has been one of the most talked about youngling for a long while. He rejected man city and another team last year because he wanted more time with Ajax to improve.
    This kid will be a huge hit just wait.

    Paulinho - because we needed that box to box guy in the 433. He also showed a great nose for the goal scoring positions and very good physically.
    Also Our midfield was actually thin if you think back ... No sandro and Dembele with a hip injury. Who else did we have ? On the back of his con fed cup run he looked the perfect option.
    Unfortunately wether through form. Or actually a bad fit he hasn't looked that great yet ... Only time will tell if this one pans out and if it is just a dip in form. Or a tiredness from the confed cup and being thrust into spurs starts and barely given rest in any game. Or something else

    Soldado- when he gets the correct service... Goals galore..

    Lamela - the future for him once he gets his English sorted is so so so bright.. Again one we unfortunately need to just wait on.

    Capoue - because after getting shot of sky commander Parker
    And his beautiful hair and 100 turning circles a game. We needed another destroyer.
    Capoue is that guy. But with also a bonus of a really good pass. Can't wait to see him back.

    Chirches - yeah I see you said he looked good so fair enough.
    He does look very good ... And looks to have adapted to the high line and English league Very quickly. If only he coulda played against city. His recovery speed coulda saved us on some of the goals.... Just playing Kaboul who only just had his first start since the very beginning of last season
    And Dawson together... Was perplexing...

    I think that's it. Don't think I missed anyone out. Now onto the players you mentioned Lennon and Townsend.

    Lennon. Very good for getting past his man... But no end product. And doesn't shoot often enough to be able to score as a 433 requires from its IF/ wingers
    So to look for an upgrade on him isn't a stupid thought.

    Townsend- was really a unknown factor until the start of the season. Yeah he just had a good loan to QPR. But he was probably going to be loaned again. Problem being we had no right winger with Lennon still out at that point. So kept him and he turned out to have a decent run of form. But he has a lot and I mean a lot of improving to do before we can even say he's a lock for a starting spot. So the reason we looked for upgrades wasn't out the question either.

    Yes it was a lot of players to buy.
    But it wasn't silly buys. They were very good smart buys apart from soldado and Lamela and paulinho also cheapish buys.
    We also now have something that we have struggled with and something that may see us have the upper hand the second half and mainly the final 1/4 of the season. Depth ....
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  7. Sweetsman
    Thanks! :)
  8. WestBelfast Spurs
    no Soldado, surely you jest Jamie?
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  9. Geyzer Soze
    Oi ... Andre ...

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  10. UbeAstard
    Souness - "(Adebayor) is a kidder. He plays only for himself"
    "He won't be a game changer, he just plays when he wants".

    Just posting someone elses opinion.

    I agree with them.
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  11. JamieDaCosta
    Id get rid of the geezer while we can

    He is the new age Sergei Rebrov/Helder Postiga (In fact, he may well be worse, especially for that money)
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  12. JamieDaCosta

    Hahahaha, I love it when people disagree yet there is nothing to disagree with me with

    Do you think Soldado has done enough to stay in the team? No, he hasnt

    Do you not think Adebayor was more effective in 45 minutes than Soldado has been the whole season? Yes, he was

    Does Soldado deserve to be dropped and others give a chance? Yes, he does

    So ill say it again, what exactly are these people disagreeing with.....oh, its because I speak the truth and they don't like it, they don't disagree with anything at all because the truth is, there is nothing to disagree with as everything I have said is a fact and is 200% correct

    Anyway, as you were :)
  13. 2bearis2do
    I totally agree about Fryers.

    The best managers bring in youth in their "Comfortable positions" and surround the newcomer with experienced players who, too, - play in their preferred positions - thereby STATISTICALLY (AVB) lowering the probability of an error - one would think….

    So AVB says "Lets put Verts Left Back and Lamela on the Left - that should make that side really strong against the best attacking team in the league."

    Herein - despite my best early wants for AVB and his system (which looked good on paper and in the past in Portugal) - I have come to the conclusion - that he is actually Pretty Damn Clueless and will not recover neither the team, the fans or his system in the near future. I do think - it is time for him to go.
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  14. grittyspur1
    Erik Lamela having a 'good' week? You are having a laugh! I watched him play for Argentina in a friendly against Chile last Wednesday & he missed two absolute sitters, and was mostly anonymous for the 30 minutes he was on the pitch. Then there's the 'performance' he put in for us on Sunday. He was absolutely dreadful. Every time he had the ball, it was taken off his feet by Zabaleta- to say that the right back owned our young Erik would be an understatement. Sure Lamela is young and talented so we all wait with great anticipation to see what he can do. So far there has been little to cheer about. At this stage I'd say he looks like Gio Dos Santos 2.0 in a Tottenham shirt. Sorry.
  15. Gaz_Gammon

    Where did i say we shouldn't have brought in Eriksen?

    We have a left winger called Townsend, again i am not saying we did not need Chadli or any of the players that we brought in, i just do not believe that we needed all of them at the same point in time. We did finish fourth and fifth the previous two seasons remember.

    For all the money spent i see no (not even almost) replacement for Bale. Arsenal have brought in one single player who has transformed their play, we have spent two and a half times that cost and show no improvement. Not one bit, based on performances this season. If you need a reference tell me that Liverpool, Southampton and Everton have regressed under new management?

    It's not about the quantity it's about the quality, and one or two of the players brought in either do not fit into the system, are played in the wrong position or are just plain not good enough to play at this level.Lamela is the perfect example of how to turn an exceptional player into a lost soul, just stick him in a new team, in a new system, in a new country and then to top it all play him in an unfamiliar position. Tell me that AVB makes sense doing that?
  16. Gaz_Gammon

    Agree one hundred percent.

    I didn't see Fergie play Ronlado out of position when he first broke through and cannot remember (though i could be wrong) Beckham starting on the left?

    It's as if AVB just wants to find an awkward way to win, buck the trend, or even just be plain bloody minded. His stance and position on team selection and tactics just reeks of his tenure at Chel$ea and before anyone rolls out his Porto success two of his forwards scored 74 goals between them in one season (Falcao & Hulk). They were knocking goals in for fun such was the piss poor teams in that league.

    I have been wrong on here many a time regarding some of the supposed team selection errors made by Jol, Redknapp, Hoddle and Pleat (even God help us Gross) but the more i see of this current Spurs team the more i think that the players try as they might just don't get it. Most of these players are International, quality tested and battle hardened. On Sunday they looked no better organized than anything you could watch down in the Conference, and i know that's a little unkind to Conference footballers but so very true.
  17. JimmyG2
    Good week
    ....Wants the ball, talented and doesn't hide but didn't do a lot.

    Chadli and Fryers have been injured and now so is Ade(Groin strain. Don't ask) Might affect some posters selections.
    Kane should be given a start on Thursday and sub, on Sunday. He's never let us down yet.
    Same for Townsend but starting on the left.

    AVB... Give the man a break. 2 points off CL places, 3 points better than last year. Two terrible results and you want him offed?

    Bad Week.. A lot of Spurs supporters letting the press run the agenda.
    Some histrionics on here and elsewhere. I know we have some issues with him which I share; but sack him, now, really?
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  18. spud
    My comment re nine players referred to Fryers and Defoe, neither of whom contribute anything most of the time. I agree with you about Adebayor. The fact that I (or others) didn't immediately reply doesn't mean we're 'scared' to or have no argument. Sometimes it just isn't worth it.

    What you have said isn't '200% (sic) correct' or 'fact'. It's your opinion. As is your man love for Defoe, who has only scored so many goals for us because he has hung around for so long. If Toronto want to pay us 6.5 million for him we should bite their arm off.
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  19. JamieDaCosta
    I don't think anyone is scared and nor was I insinuating that Mr Potato

    As for the 200% thing, well its true, Soldado doesn't deserve to stay in the side and other players deserve a chance, if a player hasn't played his part after a run of games then he deserves to be removed from the team

    £6.5 million for a proven goalscorer and someone who, despite his age is as fit as a fiddle and still a threat, you must be joking

    Anyway, lets just leave it there, im bored now
  20. spud
    Highly original and highly amusing. I begin to understand why you rate Defoe so highly.

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