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TottenhamMattSpur

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#21
Yes indeed..............go check just how many PL goals your best mate scored after Boxing Day 2012 and perhaps, just perhaps you will finally understand why Soldado was brought in by AVB. Then you may just understand who talking "bollocks".

Defoes x account of goals since boxing day isn't too dissimilar to Soldado's in a similar period of time.

For the record I don't have an agenda against Soldado. I just can't believe the fickle hypocrisy on here when it comes to comparing him to our other strikers.

I don't really care which one of our strikers plays and doesn't score week after week. They're both not suited to the way we line up which leads me to think 2 things about the purchase of Soldado

1 He wasn't avb's choice
2 If he was he's a very poor judge of what is required
 

UbeAstard

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....., Townsend is England's boy wonder (with Ross Barclay), .
Would love to see that guy in a Spurs shirt one day but I fear more successful clubs would attract him (and waste him on the bench and he not get game time like Rodwell).
 
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Gaz_Gammon

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Defoes x account of goals since boxing day isn't too dissimilar to Soldado's in a similar period of time.

For the record I don't have an agenda against Soldado. I just can't believe the fickle hypocrisy on here when it comes to comparing him to our other strikers.

I don't really care which one of our strikers plays and doesn't score week after week. They're both not suited to the way we line up which leads me to think 2 things about the purchase of Soldado

1 He wasn't avb's choice
2 If he was he's a very poor judge of what is required



1 He wasn't avb's choice
2 If he was he's a very poor judge of what is required
He was indeed, and unquestionably AVB's choice (after David Villa) and being a "very poor judge of what is required" is spot on. Neither Ade, Defoe or Soldado have flourished under AVB and the stats are there for all to see. He picks the players, and the system that they are to play. No one else.
 

TottenhamMattSpur

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He was indeed, and unquestionably AVB's choice (after David Villa) and being a "very poor judge of what is required" is spot on. Neither Ade, Defoe or Soldado have flourished under AVB and the stats are there for all to see. He picks the players, and the system that they are to play. No one else.

I thought I'd read a few times that Soldado was a Levy favourite?
But at least we have found some common ground that we agree on - That our strikers don't suit the system.
 

JoeT

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I think it's just the odd mistake he needs to cut out. His decision making going forwards has improved immeasurably. I have to say, I think we have England to thank for that. England look so static at times, he's had to come out with the ball and make things happen.
Maybe Gary Neville has been coaching him.
 

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We'd tried Leandro millions of times. Then Benteke & Villa then finally Soldado.

Last on the list by all accounts.
We have to be fair and put things in context: Whilst Defoe has been with us for the last 9 seasons (with a break at Pompey), Soldado is playing in a new team in a new league. Both strikers are generally inconsistent if you look at the stats, both strikers are streaky (to use an apt expression). Last season I believe Soldado scored few goals for Valencia pre xmas and went on a scoring spree in the second half of the season which took him to 30 in 46 apps. Whilst, I am a fan of Soldado, he is hardly what I would call consistent with his goal scoring. Effectively, my point is that we have 2 strikers who offer very similar qualities, one (soldado) objectively better quality than the other but not performing as well possibly due to not adapting as quickly as we would have liked.

In terms of AVB not picking the right player for the system, I don't think that is an accurate reflection. He is trying to replicate Porto's triumvirate of Hulk, Falcao and Varela. Soldado falls very firmly into the poacher category and once we have players who are ready and willing to get into the box we will see that he is very capable of feeding off scraps in the box and putting them away. He may not be renowned for his build up contribution but then again neither is Falcao who by all accounts is not adapting to the French league as well as the manager would have hoped scoring 9 in 16 league appearances (4 penalties) - go figure!
 

not_tenth-again

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They're all shite at the moment... the strikers i mean. It barely matters who plays.

Trade them all in and get Hernandez and Rodrigo, use Kane and find a 6'4 monster kid to develop.... oh, this isn't the ITK thread you say.

We should play the best off the ball runner so that the defense can't settle, this should create space for an actual goal scorer to do their job.
 

TottenhamMattSpur

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So in almost a whole year Defoe has 1 league goal, Soldado if we include Spain has 20x that. Yep, that's a similar record.
Whoa....
Why are you counting Soldado's in Spain but only Defoe's in the premier league?
Compare them like for like or not at all.

Soldado has what, 10 premier league starts? 1 goal + 3 penalties.
Defoe between boxing day and end of last season got none. Roughly the same number of starts.

Anyway I'm going to the Lane tomorrow. I'll be surprised if Soldado doesn't start again.
 

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#34
If soldado had hit the woodwork against Sunderland twice people would call him unlucky. Because it's Defoe he's labelled as poor
I wasn't referring to when he hit the post......but if you want to call them 'sitters' then that makes it four that he missed against Sunderland.
 
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Whoa....
Why are you counting Soldado's in Spain but only Defoe's in the premier league?
Compare them like for like or not at all.

Soldado has what, 10 premier league starts? 1 goal + 3 penalties.
Defoe between boxing day and end of last season got none. Roughly the same number of starts.

Anyway I'm going to the Lane tomorrow. I'll be surprised if Soldado doesn't start again.
Haha, I was counting league form wouldn't be fair on Soldado if I only counted his 4 months in England but hey, we can do that and he'd still have more league goals than Defoe has in the past year.
 

UbeAstard

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They're all shite at the moment... the strikers i mean. It barely matters who plays.

Trade them all in and get Hernandez and Rodrigo, use Kane and find a 6'4 monster kid to develop.... oh, this isn't the ITK thread you say.

We should play the best off the ball runner so that the defense can't settle, this should create space for an actual goal scorer to do their job.
What makes you think Hernandez would be any better with the service our forwards have been getting? He's not a creater of his own goals but rather someone who gets on the end of the service.
 
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