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Graham Poll: Fergie once explained the rules of football to me

Discussion in 'Spurscommunity Front Page News' started by mawspurs, Sep 21, 2009.

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    Fergie once explained the rules of football to me: At the home of Manchester United, you play until they win!

    In my after dinner speech I often tell how I got the ‘hairdryer’ from Sir Alex Ferguson on one of my first visits to Old Trafford for not knowing one of the rules of football; at the home of Manchester United you play until they win!

    For as long as I can remember fans have had the suspicion that Ferguson has an influence over referees decisions and appointments and with Mike Riley - one of ‘Fergie's favourites’ - having taking over as the head of refereeing for the PGMOL, they will be looking even closer at the referees at the home of the Champions.

    However, Ferguson was not pleased at having Martin Atkinson appointed for Sunday’s derby, a man he has still not forgiven for what he believed was a performance that eliminated United from the FA Cup against Portsmouth two seasons ago.

    Maybe after this pulsating game was decided by a late, late winner from Michael Owen, Atkinson will be welcomed back any time.

    Laws of the game are specific in saying that “the allowance for time lost is at the discretion of the referee” and so Atkinson cannot be faulted technically for finding an extra three minutes in addition to the four minutes he allowed at the end of the second half.

    I struggled to see where the additional, additional time came from which enabled United to score the winner. Alan Wiley, the fourth official showed the time allowed - as decided by Atkinson - as four minutes, which I felt was reasonable given the substitutions and number of goals.

    There was one further substitution in the time allowed, Carrick for Anderson, for which 30 seconds is usually allowed. I therefore expected the final whistle at 94.30, as did Mark Hughes.

    The Owen winning goal was timed at 95.28 and so I could fully understand the City boss’s frustration. When you’ve worked so hard to come back three times and feel that you’ve earned a point in a key match it must be galling to concede such a goal.

    Such is football with the laws as they stand, though.

    I would like to see an amendment to the law relating to time-keeping, whereby an independent time keeper actually records the amount of time the ball is in play.

    Then once that time reaches 45 minutes the referee is informed and the half ends at the next natural stoppage.

    Of course that will never be brought in, with the footballing authorities so adamant that the laws must be the same for all levels of football, but for me it really is time for change.

    Bad week for... Howard Webb

    I have been (and will continue to be) a big supporter of the Rotherham based referee (right) who carries our refereeing hopes for next year's World Cup finals in South Africa.

    However, I was really disappointed in his performance at Stamford Bridge on Sunday. There were three clear penalties missed - two for Chelsea (Corluka’s illegal barge on Ballack and Assou-Ekotto’s hand ball from a defensive wall) and one for Spurs (the blatant trip by Carvalho on Keane) - which should also have resulted in a red card for Ricardo Carvalho and could well have made a big difference to the result of the game.

    All referees can all miss slight illegal contact, especially with players going to ground so easily but what also surprised me was Webb’s reluctance to deal appropriately with fouls and misconduct.

    Despite some strong tackles and persistent offenders Webb only booked Sebastien Bassong (65 min) and Jermaine Jenas (90 min); refereeing like that might be popular with fans but will not endear him to the FIFA hierarchy he needs to impress.
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Discussion in 'Spurscommunity Front Page News' started by mawspurs, Sep 21, 2009.

  1. Sanj
    And there i was thinking he only had the Sky 4 managers to please.......
  2. Jonboy
    2 spurs players booked and no Chelski, what a joke these weak referees need to be eradicated from the game.
  3. midoNdefoe
    it was the most pathetic performance by a referee i haveseen in a long time!!
  4. dixiespurs
    What about the jump by Cole into Crouch
  5. Woody10
    I frikin hate it when refs cost us games!

    There were repeated fouls that were not given the correct way and every minor thing for Chelsea went for them. It makes me sick to see 4th officials having a laugh with fergie at old trafford after a goal in a seriously dodgy amount of added on time and then our ref not wanting to upset the John Terry brigade!!!

    Refs are there to officiate what they see, if they miss it fair enough, it happens, but when it is repeated time and time again, it makes you wonder why they are making those decisions.
  6. Dundalk_Spur
    As for Corlukas "barge" on Ballack. He got in front of him and headed the ball, it wasn't as if he took the man and not the ball.
  7. hybridsoldier
    nice one i forgot that, yeah he jumped into crouch, back to the ball! insane!

    one of the worst games officiated I have seen, quite literally the referee cost us the game
  8. sebo_sek
    Exactly, he got the ball - NO FOUL!
  9. rupsmith
    Graham Poll was probably one of the worst referees I have ever seen and his comments on the penalties prove that. I have red his book seeing red and even though he comes accross as a man who has a lot of thoughts and opinions, his fundamental approach is sensationalist. I have no idea why Chelsea would have got 2 penalties. Benni' hand i agree but we should have had 2 and carvalho should not have been sent off (it was not a clear goal scoring opportunity - Keane's angle was too tight) Pathetic
  10. Paxtonite
    The angle makes no diference. In fact Bellamy scored from a similar angle against Man Ure earlier in the day. In law Poll is right and that is what we all need to remember; that we are dealing with the laws of the game.

    Not sure whether i should admit it here but i am a referee too (at a much lower level than these guys of course) and i also found Webb's performance wanting. If he had applied the laws as they should have been then we may have had a different game. There is of course nothing to say that we would have won but the game would have been different. At 1-1 (possibly) perhaps King would not have turned as he did to chase Drogba and hence still have been on the pitch etc....

    Once a course of action is taken or a decision made (or not made in Webb's case) then the whole time line of events change.

    Overall though he was poor. Bosingwa's two legged drag down of Huddlestone was bordering on assault; i have no idea how the assistant did not see Anelka have a hold of Bassong's arm in their tussle, which meant that Bassong had to fall flat on his face (literally) as he could not put his arm out to break his fall. Benny's handball was farcical (in the wall) but this was Webb probably trying to even things out. And the fact that he didn't even book Keane for a dive suggests that he didn't even know what happened. In fact i saw him mouthing to Keane just after that he felt that Keane "just fell over" (yes i can lip read).

    Really was a poor refereeing performance (again!!), HOWEVER, this should not take away from the fact that we have sadly been found wanting against both Man U and Chelsea in recent weeks. It seems that whenever we fall behind against these top teams, we do not have the balls or the ability to fight back and end up just capitulating.
  11. wooderz
    Except in CC Finals
  12. tomo
    webb, what a prat.

    even though it was 3-0 we did ok up until their second. Did seem to lack a bit of belief tho and were sloppy in possession at times. I think Huddlestone is always found out against this type of opposition tho and we could do with a more dynamic partner for Palacios. Also Cudicini is starting to look well dodge.
  13. karennina
    Just can't beleive that a former referee comes out and openly states Ferguson is intimidating referees... and it's a in newspaper story rather than a disciplinary hearing with powers to ban AF ??!?
  14. JoeT
    Actually the running clock in the corner of my T.V. screen showed 96:05 when Owen scored. I don't know how Hughes kept his self control when Fergie was standing in front of him joking with the official who had just screwed his team out of a point!
  15. guate
    I'm in no doubt whatsoever that Howard Webb is bent and that he and certain other referees receive pay offs to influence games such as yesterdays.
    In fact I think that either 'Arry or D.L. need to send the F.A. copies of yesterday's game and the one against Untd. last season when Webb also screwed us in order to show them that once, might be a coincidence, but twice, no way Jose.
    I'm also in no doubt that Chelski played better than we did and without King, Woody, Gomez and Modric we just didn't seem to have either the strength or creativity to do better against the top 4.
    We've all just had a reality check and our beloved Spurs is not as great as we might have believed 2 weeks ago, however there are still plenty of games to go and a top 6 finish is still a reality provided we quickly get our defensive issues sorted out.

    QUE VIVA LOS SPURS
  16. JoeT
    Sorry 'quate', I just have trouble buying in to your cospiracy theory re: Howard Webb.
  17. sherbornespurs
    I don't think he's actually bent or that he's taking back-handers, I just think it's a case of him, and the rest of his ilk, being so absolutely spineless and sh*t scared of getting wall-to-wall, blanket criticism from 'big 4' managers and their acolytes regarding every minor incident perpetrated against them, perceived or otherwise.

    Sky defer to the 'big 4' everytime, the clubs know it and the refs know it.
    They also know that any adverse publicity via the media will attract the attention of both the Premier League and Uefa - organisations that quite sensibly do not wish to raise the profile of, nor turn the spotlight on, officials.

    The world and national media don't really give much of a stuff what Gary Megson, Owen Coyle, Steve Bruce or even Redknapp thinks - so long as they get a few cheeky pre-match quotes - but they sit up and listen to Wenger, Fergie, Rafa and Ancellotti.

    When they slag off the ref it's news, and news on refs makes uncomfortable reading for the 'suits' at the Premier League and Uefa, so what happens?

    The climb up the greasy pole for invertibrates like Webb and Clattenburg is stymied and before you know it they're back running the line in the Championship or they're the bloke in the tracky holding up the board at Old Trafford showing 8 minutes injury time.

    Makes you wonder how they sleep at night.
  18. adwanhussein
    I don't think sir Alex should be proud of his team when they win with the conniving of the referees.Man City dealt a harsh blow by inept FA officals. same like Spurs last year when that infamous Webb awarded Man United a penalty which was clearly unwarranted.Same this year when he denied Spurs a clear penalty.It looks like FA officals have introduced an overtime similar to games of NBA basketball in the USA where four minutes of OT goes on for eternity,or until MAn UNITED score a goal.These games are witnessed by hundreds of millions of global viewers and are not enhancing the reputation of British refeering or fair play.I suggest that in crucial games neutral referees from overseas are brought in to conduct those games.
  19. Bobbins
    He's forgetting that Atkinson has already said he added an extra minute after City scored on 90 minutes and celebrated for that amount of time - therefore United actually scored with two seconds left. I have no doubt that if Owen had missed, the ref would've blown for full time.

    Conspiracy theories are usually stupid, and wrong. Certainly in this case.

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