Guardiola lists 'Harry Kane team' alongside Chelsea and Man Utd as title rivals

[Locotoro]

The only two first team players that Guardiola brought through with him were Busquets and Pedro much later in the season. All this rewriting of history to make him look like a manager who develops youth is absolute shite.

All the other players that he is credited with promoting either didn't make a breakthrough at Barca or were already very much important parts of the Barca squad.

He came in and got rid of a couple of senior players, spent a lot of money bringing in star players from other teams.

In fact, I think he's spent well over a billion on signings since he's been a football manager. Cheque book manager? You bet!

Disrespectful? Absolutely, he's an arrogant twat and had it been an honest mistake he would have rectified it.

 

[Dharmabum]

Hi Dharmabum,

Are you doing 2011? If so, I count 5 (I didn't count Pique as although he was originally from Barca, Pep re-signed him from Man U so doesn't get the credit for bringing him through in my opinion). Of those 5, 3 of them were in the quad for the 2006 champs league final, so again, Guardiola shouldn't be credited with bringing them through in the same way that Pochettino to should be credited for bringing through Winks.

But in any case, Guardiola spent 350m as Barcelona manager, so yes I call him a chequebook/cheque-book manager. Spend spend spend!

I completely take your point about Barca generating that money themselves, but that doesn't detract from the fact that Guardiola was able to spend it (we're not debating the sustainability of Barca's financial model but the skills of the manager)

In his defence, if the club owners say "you have an unlimited budget, we want to win everything", then of course he should be spending on getting all the best players. But that's what makes him a cheque-book manager

PS I'm pretty sure I'm spelling cheque-book incorrectly, but never mind!

I am not saying I am giving credit for bringing on Pique - but he's still a Barca acedemy product.
And one can count Busquets too as a Barca academy product as he joined them at the age of 16.

2009: Valdes – Pique, Puyol – Busquets, Iniesta, Xavi – Messi (used sub: Pedro)

2011: Valdes – Pique – Busquets, Iniesta, Xavi – Pedro, Messi (used sub: Puyol)

He's definitively spent a lots of money on transfers (and his transfer record at Barca was really poor) but I won't label him a typical checkbook manager simply because he prefers to develop young players and play them - which he did at Barca - when he easily could have asked for more money to go buy better players.
At Bayern M. and ManC he's been long enough to implement that policy. And time will see if he'll do just that at ManC.

PS! Despite of what you say about Pochettino and Wink I am sure both Harry and Tim wana have a word with you about that

 

[Tiberius Gracchus]

I am not saying I am giving credit for bringing on Pique - but he's still a Barca acedemy product.
And one can count Busquets too as a Barca academy product as he joined them at the age of 16.

2009: Valdes – Pique, Puyol – Busquets, Iniesta, Xavi – Messi (used sub: Pedro)

2011: Valdes – Pique – Busquets, Iniesta, Xavi – Pedro, Messi (used sub: Puyol)

He's definitively spent a lots of money on transfers (and his transfer record at Barca was really poor) but I won't label him a typical checkbook manager simply because he prefers to develop young players and play them - which he did at Barca - when he easily could have asked for more money to go buy better players.
At Bayern M. and ManC he's been long enough to implement that policy. And time will see if he'll do just that at ManC.

PS! Despite of what you say about Pochettino and Wink I am sure both Harry and Tim wana have a word with you about that

Regarding Harry and Tim, I deliberately didn't mention Kane, Mason, or Bentaleb because of them. I'll come back to you on your other points once I've got wikipedia back up!

EDIT
Ok I'm back from Wiki...

hard to justify giving credit to Pep for bringing Pique through, he was 21 when he went back to Barca. The previous four years he was at Utd.

Valdes was already well established, being number 1 for Barcelona in the 2006 Champions League final - giving credit to Pep for bringing him through for the 2009 final is stretching credulity

I'll do the rest tomorrow - you've not heard the last of me!

EDIT
So Iniesta played almost the entire second half of the 2006 final, doing sterling work against the arsenal... Puyol was only the flipping captain. So Pep doesn't get credit for them either

That leaves Xavi, Busquets and Messi.

Xavi was already an established Spain international by the time Pep rocked up (Spain who won the World Cup less than two years later). But I will admit that Pep brought through Messi and Busquets (the latter was signed from another team by previous manager Rijkard)

All told, with Wikipedia available to any journo unwilling to parrot the great myth, Pep's reputation for coaching youth stands up for about as long as a jam doughnut in a Molestown bakery on the day Samwell Tarly pops in for a quick snack

 

[DCSPUR]

I am not saying I am giving credit for bringing on Pique - but he's still a Barca acedemy product.
And one can count Busquets too as a Barca academy product as he joined them at the age of 16.

2009: Valdes – Pique, Puyol – Busquets, Iniesta, Xavi – Messi (used sub: Pedro)

2011: Valdes – Pique – Busquets, Iniesta, Xavi – Pedro, Messi (used sub: Puyol)

He's definitively spent a lots of money on transfers (and his transfer record at Barca was really poor) but I won't label him a typical checkbook manager simply because he prefers to develop young players and play them - which he did at Barca - when he easily could have asked for more money to go buy better players.
At Bayern M. and ManC he's been long enough to implement that policy. And time will see if he'll do just that at ManC.

PS! Despite of what you say about Pochettino and Wink I am sure both Harry and Tim wana have a word with you about that

the real question is what type of manager is he:
1. check book or
2. coach to improve/ bring through younger players

while his first year or so at Barca seemed to suggest the latter, the evidence since seems to suggest the former.

 

[double0]

There is no doubt Guardiloa is a superb manager. He has though been in advantageous management/coaching positions thus far in his career. He is able to get basically any player or sim suited for what he wants.

I feel it is slightly disrespectful point of/to referencing Tottenham as the Harry Kane team, knowing full well he managed a bigger one man team with Messi for many years...on another hand it does as well show an acknowledgement of us.

 

[Gaz_Gammon]

pep rode on the back of Messi and Leandowski.

He really should be known as ChequeBook Pep.

 

[Dharmabum]

Regarding Harry and Tim, I deliberately didn't mention Kane, Mason, or Bentaleb because of them. I'll come back to you on your other points once I've got wikipedia back up!

EDIT
Ok I'm back from Wiki...

hard to justify giving credit to Pep for bringing Pique through, he was 21 when he went back to Barca. The previous four years he was at Utd.

Valdes was already well established, being number 1 for Barcelona in the 2006 Champions League final - giving credit to Pep for bringing him through for the 2009 final is stretching credulity

I'll do the rest tomorrow - you've not heard the last of me!

EDIT
So Iniesta played almost the entire second half of the 2006 final, doing sterling work against the arsenal... Puyol was only the flipping captain. So Pep doesn't get credit for them either

That leaves Xavi, Busquets and Messi.

Xavi was already an established Spain international by the time Pep rocked up (Spain who won the World Cup less than two years later). But I will admit that Pep brought through Messi and Busquets (the latter was signed from another team by previous manager Rijkard)

All told, with Wikipedia available to any journo unwilling to parrot the great myth, Pep's reputation for coaching youth stands up for about as long as a jam doughnut in a Molestown bakery on the day Samwell Tarly pops in for a quick snack

Again, I am NOT giving Pep credit for bringing all of them on - just mentioned the fact that they were Barca acedemy products, and not bought (for exuberant fees)

 

[Japhet]

From now on I'll be referring to City as 'the Kyle Walker team'.

 

[Dharmabum]

pep rode on the back of Messi and Leandowski.

He really should be known as ChequeBook Pep.

Barca was certainly not a 1-man team. Besides, Messi was a Barca product and not bought by any Barca manager.
And if you believe that Bayern was the Lewandowski team then you know very little about Bayern, and have most prob never heard of Neuer, Lahm, Boateng, Abala, Xavi Alonso, Muller, Ribery, Robben...

 

[PolishYid4ever]

I have never rated him. He's a buyer not a coach. Classless **** with a lot of money to spend...

 

[slartibartfast]

He's rattled. He knows that despite the crap the media spew WE are the only team thats challenged the title run for last 2 seasons and he also remembers it was us who brought his season to a grinding halt last year.
Hey.. fk him
Bet Poch had a little chuckle to himself after hearing about this.

 

[gusrowe]

Just a wind up. His scared we will beat them, finish above them and then he will have justify and spend time in the spot light trying to explain why he spent 3-4 times more money than us on his team without the expected returns.
Poch and Levyi are more sensible in building up slowly and keeping the books straight. We wasted the Bale money, lesson learnt......looks like Everton have also made that mistake. Man C and Man U have spent a small fortune on players and it may give them success. But the bubble will burst at some stage. Give me Poch and Spurs anytime.

 

[Bilko]

Guardiola is a great manager and coach- in my opinion just not as honest and humble as Pochettino- who is also a great manager and coach.
It `s also only a question of time before City start bringing some of the huge reservoir of the accumulated younsters in their huge academy through

 

[Shadydan]

Guardiola is a great manager and coach- in my opinion just not as honest and humble as Pochettino- who is also a great manager and coach.
It `s also only a question of time before City start bringing some of the huge reservoir of the accumulated younsters in their huge academy through

That's not going to happen I'm afraid.

 

[davidmatzdorf]

Really bizarre discussion.

Guardiola momentarily couldn't bring the word "Tottenham" to his mind, so he filled in with the name of our most topically-famous player. That's all there is here.

Unless you're possessed of a brick-sized Spurs-chip on your shoulder (which half this forum seems to have), it's bloody obvious that he just improvised because he couldn't bring the name of our club to his mind in the middle of an interview after a match. Guaranteed: no mind games, just incipient senility .

 

[Locotoro]

Regarding Harry and Tim, I deliberately didn't mention Kane, Mason, or Bentaleb because of them. I'll come back to you on your other points once I've got wikipedia back up!

EDIT
Ok I'm back from Wiki...

hard to justify giving credit to Pep for bringing Pique through, he was 21 when he went back to Barca. The previous four years he was at Utd.

Valdes was already well established, being number 1 for Barcelona in the 2006 Champions League final - giving credit to Pep for bringing him through for the 2009 final is stretching credulity

I'll do the rest tomorrow - you've not heard the last of me!

EDIT
So Iniesta played almost the entire second half of the 2006 final, doing sterling work against the arsenal... Puyol was only the flipping captain. So Pep doesn't get credit for them either

That leaves Xavi, Busquets and Messi.

Xavi was already an established Spain international by the time Pep rocked up (Spain who won the World Cup less than two years later). But I will admit that Pep brought through Messi and Busquets (the latter was signed from another team by previous manager Rijkard)

All told, with Wikipedia available to any journo unwilling to parrot the great myth, Pep's reputation for coaching youth stands up for about as long as a jam doughnut in a Molestown bakery on the day Samwell Tarly pops in for a quick snack

Messi was already part of the first team before Guerrilla took charge.

EDIT: yes I have seen the typo but I think I'll leave it as is

 

[Locotoro]

Really bizarre discussion.

Guardiola momentarily couldn't bring the word "Tottenham" to his mind, so he filled in with the name of our most topically-famous player. That's all there is here.

Unless you're possessed of a brick-sized Spurs-chip on your shoulder (which half this forum seems to have), it's bloody obvious that he just improvised because he couldn't bring the name of our club to his mind in the middle of an interview after a match. Guaranteed: no mind games, just incipient senility .

I disagree, there was not a split second of hesitation in his speech and even a wry smile when he said it. He has been having digs at all the contenders this week and this was our turn.

Even straight from saying the Harry Kane team he says "who's been scoring 2 or 3 goals every game". You think he's talking about the team or the player? That was a specific attempt at early season mind games.

 

[Tiberius Gracchus]

Really bizarre discussion.

Guardiola momentarily couldn't bring the word "Tottenham" to his mind, so he filled in with the name of our most topically-famous player. That's all there is here.

Unless you're possessed of a brick-sized Spurs-chip on your shoulder (which half this forum seems to have), it's bloody obvious that he just improvised because he couldn't bring the name of our club to his mind in the middle of an interview after a match. Guaranteed: no mind games, just incipient senility .

I think you're right, it comes across worse on paper

 

[guiltyparty]

Really bizarre discussion.

Guardiola momentarily couldn't bring the word "Tottenham" to his mind, so he filled in with the name of our most topically-famous player. That's all there is here.

Unless you're possessed of a brick-sized Spurs-chip on your shoulder (which half this forum seems to have), it's bloody obvious that he just improvised because he couldn't bring the name of our club to his mind in the middle of an interview after a match. Guaranteed: no mind games, just incipient senility .

Even tho their best signing of the summer came from Tottenham, and he's played against us several times, and lost to us several times, and we are one of only 4 major challengers for the title, he can't remember what the team's called?

Not getting bent out of shape on it but that seems incredibly unlikely from someone so meticulous who's not that old

 

[Spurrific]

Really bizarre discussion.

Guardiola momentarily couldn't bring the word "Tottenham" to his mind, so he filled in with the name of our most topically-famous player. That's all there is here.

Unless you're possessed of a brick-sized Spurs-chip on your shoulder (which half this forum seems to have), it's bloody obvious that he just improvised because he couldn't bring the name of our club to his mind in the middle of an interview after a match. Guaranteed: no mind games, just incipient senility .

You’re completely wrong. He was trying to be funny with the press like Mourinho and Klopp are deemed to be - only nobody laughed, leaving him looking like a bald tit.

I’m not hurt or bothered by it, but it was very obviously done on purpose.