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Donki

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You’re completely wrong. He was trying to be funny with the press like Mourinho and Klopp are deemed to be - only nobody laughed, leaving him looking like a bald tit.

I’m not hurt or bothered by it, but it was very obviously done on purpose.

I certainly prefer a bald tit to a hairy one.
 

Sweetsman

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I don't know why he's started this, because I do remember Mourinho winding him up and it'll happen again. Pochettino doesn't get wound up, in general. Guardiola needs to understand that the English tabloid press is not to be trusted with words.
 

PeeEyeEmPee

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the bed-wetting over this has been hilarious. our fanbase are rapidly approaching Liverpool levels in terms of our ability to take offence at absolutely anything.

Pep was clearly complimenting Kane rather than calling us a one-man team. he's been on absolute fire all of September, and almost everyone in the world of football is talking about him. he's also scoring in bunches, hence the "2 or 3 goals every game" comment. rather than just enjoy the attention one of our players is getting from all corners, but instead we're constantly whinging about a perceived lack of respect. The incessant "ooh they're saying he's not world-class...HOW DARE THEY??? DON'T THEY KNOW WE WON THE MOST POINTS OVER THE LAST TWO SEASONS???" crap is embarrassing.

and anyone who claims Pep didn't develop any youth at Barca is either on drugs or just didn't watch them. first of all he got rid of HUGE personalities like Ronaldinho, Deco, and Eto'o. Pique made all of 23 performances in 4 seasons at Man U, and Pep brought him straight into the first team. he took Busquets from Barca B to ousting Yaya Toure (who had been a beast until then) and forming one of the greatest midfields in the history of football with Xavi and Iniesta. he took Pedro from Barca B to scoring in six competitions in a single season/year. he moved Messi from out wide (where he was already incredible) to the false-nine position where he would become possibly the most devastating player ever. he also gave over 20 youth players their debuts. yes, not all of them eventually became global stars, but plenty of them ended up making significant contributions at the club, and the majority of them play in top divisions across Europe.

yes he spent money (who hasn't), and a lot of his transfers turned out to be duds, but to claim he hasn't developed any players (or greatly improved established players, for that matter) is just foolish.
 

Gaz_Gammon

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Barca was certainly not a 1-man team. Besides, Messi was a Barca product and not bought by any Barca manager.
And if you believe that Bayern was the Lewandowski team then you know very little about Bayern, and have most prob never heard of Neuer, Lahm, Boateng, Abala, Xavi Alonso, Muller, Ribery, Robben...

I have read enough books about Pep to understand how he works his methods and philosophy on football. If you think that spending 380 odd million (according to Transfer League) at a club isn't buying trophies then you don't understand basic economics let alone ChequeBook Pep.

Barca and Real Madrid receive by far the highest cut of Spanish football TV money (or did when Pep was there). Please don't try and dress his success up as his ability to build a team. He just brought one wherever he has coached.

He was spending money like confetti at Munich, and still got found out. He spent 371 million at Bayern Munich, i mean this after they won the treble under Jupp Heynckes including the Champions League.

To assume that you are the font of all football knowledge and that someone else knows very little about German and Spanish football shows just how little you yourself actually know. I watch the live Bunderliga and La Liga games every weekend and have done for a decade so before you question anyone on here about their football knowledge you need to first ask the question.
 

PeeEyeEmPee

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how much did he spend when he won the Treble in his first season?

furthermore, where have you got £371m at Bayern from? £56m (v £36m sold) in his first season, £48m (£44m) in his second, and £80m (£30m) in his last, according to transfermarkt. now my maths may not be as advanced as yours, granted, but that total isn't even half the amount you're claiming it to be.
 
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Tiberius Gracchus

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I have read enough books about Pep to understand how he works his methods and philosophy on football. If you think that spending 380 odd million (according to Transfer League) at a club isn't buying trophies then you don't understand basic economics let alone ChequeBook Pep.

Barca and Real Madrid receive by far the highest cut of Spanish football TV money (or did when Pep was there). Please don't try and dress his success up as his ability to build a team. He just brought one wherever he has coached.

He was spending money like confetti at Munich, and still got found out. He spent 371 million at Bayern Munich, i mean this after they won the treble under Jupp Heynckes including the Champions League.

To assume that you are the font of all football knowledge and that someone else knows very little about German and Spanish football shows just how little you yourself actually know. I watch the live Bunderliga and La Liga games every weekend and have done for a decade so before you question anyone on here about their football knowledge you need to first ask the question.

To be fair to Dharmabum, the point he was making in that post was that Bayern Munich weren't a one man team. He wasn't making claims (in that post) about whether or not Pep is a chequebook manager

But I agree with what you're saying
 

Dharmabum

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I have read enough books about Pep to understand how he works his methods and philosophy on football. If you think that spending 380 odd million (according to Transfer League) at a club isn't buying trophies then you don't understand basic economics let alone ChequeBook Pep.

Barca and Real Madrid receive by far the highest cut of Spanish football TV money (or did when Pep was there). Please don't try and dress his success up as his ability to build a team. He just brought one wherever he has coached.

He was spending money like confetti at Munich, and still got found out. He spent 371 million at Bayern Munich, i mean this after they won the treble under Jupp Heynckes including the Champions League.

To assume that you are the font of all football knowledge and that someone else knows very little about German and Spanish football shows just how little you yourself actually know. I watch the live Bunderliga and La Liga games every weekend and have done for a decade so before you question anyone on here about their football knowledge you need to first ask the question.

I never denied that he spends a lots of money on players - but nowhere near as much as you claim. If you are such an ardent follower of the Bundesliga you'd known that he spent around £200 millions less than your stipulated fee.
And you would also know that Bayern was not a 1-man-Lewandowski team.
So you mean that him not winning the CL with Bayern constitutes a failure? Then every year there are lots of managers/head coaches who are failures. And what did Di Matteo do after he won the CL with Chelski?
He insisted on playing attacking, entertaining football at Bayern, so than the almighty that there still are managers like him and Pochettino who, unlike, say, Jose, Conti and Ancelotti, prefer not to park the bus any time something is at stakes.
 

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and anyone who claims Pep didn't develop any youth at Barca is either on drugs or just didn't watch them. first of all he got rid of HUGE personalities like Ronaldinho, Deco, and Eto'o. Pique made all of 23 performances in 4 seasons at Man U, and Pep brought him straight into the first team. he took Busquets from Barca B to ousting Yaya Toure (who had been a beast until then) and forming one of the greatest midfields in the history of football with Xavi and Iniesta. he took Pedro from Barca B to scoring in six competitions in a single season/year. he moved Messi from out wide (where he was already incredible) to the false-nine position where he would become possibly the most devastating player ever. he also gave over 20 youth players their debuts. yes, not all of them eventually became global stars, but plenty of them ended up making significant contributions at the club, and the majority of them play in top divisions across Europe.

yes he spent money (who hasn't), and a lot of his transfers turned out to be duds, but to claim he hasn't developed any players (or greatly improved established players, for that matter) is just foolish.

Sorry mate, but you're dead wrong on the developing youth points.

Yes he got rid of huge personalities like Ronaldinho - who had only played 20 games that season and was out of the side from March onwards with injuries and fitness concerns), Eto'o - (because of his professionalism and criticism of the coaching staff, replacing him with Zlatan, and Deco because he was a spent force.

He replaced them with players like Iniesta, Xavi and Messi that were already regulars in the team and had at least a season or so at least under their belts.

Pique may have played only 23 appearances for Man U but he was also on loan at Zaragoza and was the first choice centre-back pairing with Milito for a season.

Yes, he brought through Busquets, but you forget he didn't oust Toure, Toure was moved to centre back as Guardiola had the tendency to do with his more defensive midfielders and was later replaced by Mascherano.

Of the players he promoted from the B side, most of them went on loan the same season or were sold within a season of being promoted so with all respect, whilst he would have managed many of these players during his Barca B tenure I wouldnt say he showed much faith with them in his Barca senior role.
 

PeeEyeEmPee

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Sorry mate, but you're dead wrong on the developing youth points.

Yes he got rid of huge personalities like Ronaldinho - who had only played 20 games that season and was out of the side from March onwards with injuries and fitness concerns), Eto'o - (because of his professionalism and criticism of the coaching staff, replacing him with Zlatan, and Deco because he was a spent force.

He replaced them with players like Iniesta, Xavi and Messi that were already regulars in the team and had at least a season or so at least under their belts.

Pique may have played only 23 appearances for Man U but he was also on loan at Zaragoza and was the first choice centre-back pairing with Milito for a season.

Yes, he brought through Busquets, but you forget he didn't oust Toure, Toure was moved to centre back as Guardiola had the tendency to do with his more defensive midfielders and was later replaced by Mascherano.

Of the players he promoted from the B side, most of them went on loan the same season or were sold within a season of being promoted so with all respect, whilst he would have managed many of these players during his Barca B tenure I wouldnt say he showed much faith with them in his Barca senior role.
I'm not wrong at all. you've agreed with me that he moved on some of the dominant personalities at the club, for a start, regardless of the reasons.

yes Pique spent a season on loan at Zaragoza, then he went back to Man U's bench and was there for a year before Pep took him back to Barca and put him straight into the first team. if you don't think he was massively influential in Pique's development, then we're not going to agree on anything.

Yaya wasn't moved to centre-back at all, he filled in there two or three times because of injuries and suspensions. then from Pep's second season, he started playing Busquets in midfield ahead of Toure. everyone thought he was crazy at the time, but it doesn't look so crazy now.

the likes of Thiago, Cuenca, Tello, Bojan, Jeffren, Thiago, and Montoya all got significant amounts of playing time during those four years. yes they and others ended up going out on loan and/or being sold, but that's what happens when you have Messi, Xavi, Iniesta, Villa, Alves, Puyol etc ahead of you and winning everything at home and in Europe. you end up moving elsewhere in order to get regular game time. at the end of the day, he gave 22 youth teamers their debut in 4 seasons. show me ANYONE that's done that at even a mid-tier level club, never mind at a club the size of Barca, and all the pressure and expectation a job like that comes with. you have to be in complete and utter denial not to see this.
 

Tiberius Gracchus

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I'm not wrong at all. you've agreed with me that he moved on some of the dominant personalities at the club, for a start, regardless of the reasons.

yes Pique spent a season on loan at Zaragoza, then he went back to Man U's bench and was there for a year before Pep took him back to Barca and put him straight into the first team. if you don't think he was massively influential in Pique's development, then we're not going to agree on anything.

Yaya wasn't moved to centre-back at all, he filled in there two or three times because of injuries and suspensions. then from Pep's second season, he started playing Busquets in midfield ahead of Toure. everyone thought he was crazy at the time, but it doesn't look so crazy now.

the likes of Thiago, Cuenca, Tello, Bojan, Jeffren, Thiago, and Montoya all got significant amounts of playing time during those four years. yes they and others ended up going out on loan and/or being sold, but that's what happens when you have Messi, Xavi, Iniesta, Villa, Alves, Puyol etc ahead of you and winning everything at home and in Europe. you end up moving elsewhere in order to get regular game time. at the end of the day, he gave 22 youth teamers their debut in 4 seasons. show me ANYONE that's done that at even a mid-tier level club, never mind at a club the size of Barca, and all the pressure and expectation a job like that comes with. you have to be in complete and utter denial not to see this.

In Spain, if you manage Real or Barcelona then there are only two games per season you need to worry about. The rest you can pretty much bank the points (with the occasional upset). But essentially you have the vast majority of league games in which to give youth a chance. Compare that with the EPL where a single point can be the difference between champions league qualification, and therefore giving new players debuts is a huge, huge risk
 

Gaz_Gammon

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I never denied that he spends a lots of money on players - but nowhere near as much as you claim. If you are such an ardent follower of the Bundesliga you'd known that he spent around £200 millions less than your stipulated fee.
And you would also know that Bayern was not a 1-man-Lewandowski team.
So you mean that him not winning the CL with Bayern constitutes a failure? Then every year there are lots of managers/head coaches who are failures. And what did Di Matteo do after he won the CL with Chelski?
He insisted on playing attacking, entertaining football at Bayern, so than the almighty that there still are managers like him and Pochettino who, unlike, say, Jose, Conti and Ancelotti, prefer not to park the bus any time something is at stakes.
The amount he spent was taken from a transfer website, and you can check them one by one.
'Lots of managers' do not have an open cheque book.

Pep not winning the CL at Bayen was failure, i mean why do you think they are currently mansgerless. Winning the domestic league is nothing to the Munich senior management.
Finally as if proof were needed, even an idiot manager like Du Matteo won the Champions. Goes to show that it's the size of the cheque book that wins trophies not the talent of the manager signing the cheque.
 

PeeEyeEmPee

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By any chance, is the site you're citing including wages in these figures? If not, then you are way, way off with your figures.

If we're sitting here really questioning whether or not Pep is a top manager, then one of us is clearly in the wrong place.
 

Khilari

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How about the Lukaku team, the Morata team?
Or the £180m team that finished... wait - 3rd, 8 points behind the 'Harry Kane team' last term... that happened also to have the best defensive record and two players in the top 20 league scorers. Unlike the 'Sergio Aguero team'.

Kn0bh3ad.
 
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