Has BMJ needlessly damaged the confidence of the defence

masterblaster80

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#21
I'm sorry, i'm standing firm in Jol's corner.

Gardner had his last warning, THEN he went for that challenge, the ref wanted to be lenient, he called over Keane (the captain) and simple said "One more and you're off".

Now, if you were Jol, with half and hour and extra time still to play, and given the way Arse-anal play, would you take a risk of playing with 10 men when you know you need to score?

You're saying that Rocha's mistake and the goal killed us off, well, if Gardner stayed on and got sent off, that would killed us off too. Then we'd have people saying "BMJ is a wanker for not taking off Gardner.... etc."

Rocha's mistake was a small one, but a small mistake against our biggest rival, i'm still very impressed with his two first performance, and quite surprised by his pace.

Confidence will be regained. There is no doubt to that.

In Jol I trust.
 

walworthyid

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#22
Some people make me laugh! Before the democrats on here start, I am not saying that people shouldn't express an opinion, but gardner had to come off. He was getting tired which is why he was struggling positionally and mis-timing challenges. He had been told in no uncertain terms that if he made another mistake he was going off. Had that happened it would have been "bmj is naive, why did he not take tone off" etc.

Just like mido, it is likely that rocha did not start because he was not fit enough and also not ready for such a big, and potentially long game.

Naybet came straight in, but he was playing in spain and had been one of the best defenders in europe for years.

He did and will get some things wrong but he should be judged on the fact that he gets most things right.
 

JCPenners

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#23
Gave up reading as soon as I noticed you can't spell, by the sound of it the article was junk anyway.

Jol is clearly the best manager for a long time. Everyone, players and managers alike have rough patches. Have some faith!
 
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#24
An entire post based on the assumption that a player with a yellow card who had then been warned again by the ref was not likely to be sent off? What else needs to be said?
 

wildheart

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I'm sorry, i'm standing firm in Jol's corner.

Gardner had his last warning, THEN he went for that challenge, the ref wanted to be lenient, he called over Keane (the captain) and simple said "One more and you're off".

Now, if you were Jol, with half and hour and extra time still to play, and given the way Arse-anal play, would you take a risk of playing with 10 men when you know you need to score?

You're saying that Rocha's mistake and the goal killed us off, well, if Gardner stayed on and got sent off, that would killed us off too. Then we'd have people saying "BMJ is a wanker for not taking off Gardner.... etc."

Rocha's mistake was a small one, but a small mistake against our biggest rival, i'm still very impressed with his two first performance, and quite surprised by his pace.

Confidence will be regained. There is no doubt to that.

In Jol I trust.
What he said. Absolutely
 

barry

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#26
A little bit off topic, but I believe the only real change we need to make to our defence is our GK. Robbo has been terible this season, and I think we should give cerney more games, and sign a new keeper in the summer(Green, foster or Carson will do me). Hopefully this will help Robinson buck up his ideas, maybe lose some weight and get back to the robbo of old. I've said before that I love Robbo because of the loyalty he's show the club, and I regret that I can't show him the same loyalty, but improving Spurs has to be the priority.

Admitedly I'm not the biggest fan of Gardner, just because he looks so uncomfortable on the ball, but I think he's a competent, who comes in for alot of unfair critism.

And for those of you knocking Hughton. I think the manager lives and dies by results. If he thought Hughton was in anyway a detriment to Spurs, he would of got rid of him by now. This is still the same Chris Hughton who was there last season when we came fifth.

I believe the assistant manager is pretty much unimportant. A good manager, with good players, should be enough to make a team good. Look at Fergie and the number of assistants he's had.
 

Krafty

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#27
Gardner has a habit of slipping mentally as the game goes on. In the first leg he was solid and then around the 65 minute mark he started giving away silly free kicks, looking tired and unable to cope.

I would have started with rocha myself but I cant really argue with Jol here. The ref was being a right knob and it was clear even the slightest infringement and garnder was going
 

Parmenio

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#28
so if Roche hadn't made that mistake, would we even be seeing this article?

No I think not.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but unfortunatly it isn't available in advance ... otherwise we could all manage the team.
 
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#29
I actually agree that Gardner didn't need to come off at that stage, but Rocha didn't lose us the game, we lost it because we didn't attack - we needed to win the game and yet Arsenal had the most attacking intent from start to finish. If I was going to single out any players for poor performances it'd be Ghaly - who simply isn't talented enough, and Defoe who whilst I agree didn't get the best of service, looked lazy and uninterested on the night.
 

Davey-O

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#30
Gardner did need to come off... he was one or 2 tackles away from a red card.

The ref even told him that...
 

mawspurs

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#31
Gardner appeared to lose it with the ref when he got a yellow card and had to be told to calm down. He was obviously starting to tire and Jol made the right decision in my opinion. He was unlucky that Rocha's unfortunate slip ended any chance we had of getting a result.
 

yido4eva

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#32
I'm sorry, i'm standing firm in Jol's corner.

Gardner had his last warning, THEN he went for that challenge, the ref wanted to be lenient, he called over Keane (the captain) and simple said "One more and you're off".

Now, if you were Jol, with half and hour and extra time still to play, and given the way Arse-anal play, would you take a risk of playing with 10 men when you know you need to score?

You're saying that Rocha's mistake and the goal killed us off, well, if Gardner stayed on and got sent off, that would killed us off too. Then we'd have people saying "BMJ is a wanker for not taking off Gardner.... etc."

Rocha's mistake was a small one, but a small mistake against our biggest rival, i'm still very impressed with his two first performance, and quite surprised by his pace.

Confidence will be regained. There is no doubt to that.

In Jol I trust.
that pretty much says it all
 

nightgoat

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#33
I'm sorry, i'm standing firm in Jol's corner.

Gardner had his last warning, THEN he went for that challenge, the ref wanted to be lenient, he called over Keane (the captain) and simple said "One more and you're off".

Now, if you were Jol, with half and hour and extra time still to play, and given the way Arse-anal play, would you take a risk of playing with 10 men when you know you need to score?

You're saying that Rocha's mistake and the goal killed us off, well, if Gardner stayed on and got sent off, that would killed us off too. Then we'd have people saying "BMJ is a wanker for not taking off Gardner.... etc."

Rocha's mistake was a small one, but a small mistake against our biggest rival, i'm still very impressed with his two first performance, and quite surprised by his pace.

Confidence will be regained. There is no doubt to that.

In Jol I trust.
Precisely... Gardner hadn't actually made that many fouls, yet the ref had penalised him far too many times, and after the foul given against him just before he came off you could see the ref say to him "No more", meaning if he committed one more foul he'd be sent off...
 
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