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LexingtonSpurs

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Yes. Looking at that list - Janssen is not going to be registered, and we will probably move Nkoudou on loan also.

That would open up 1 non-HG player to register for the league, but would still leave two senior players out of CL rosters. Wanyama's injury could be a factor if he is out long-term - i.e. we would not register him for the group stage. Foyth would be left out again, unless we moved Sissoko and/or Llorente (or maybe an outside chance of Aurier).

Also possible that Poch would choose not to register Alderwiereld for CL - depending on where the fall out still remains in that situation.
 

ebzrascal

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Don’t we have a young home grown goal keeper to play in the champions league and free up an outfield place seems crazy to have 3 foreign keepers
 

hellava_tough

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As far as I can tell this is where we currently stand

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Quick question Andy...

In the HG Champions League section of your table, what does the light blue (or is it purple?) shading and solid blue line denote?
 

chrissivad

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Thanks BG

So the CL competition has a further category related to quotas?


First beak down of the CL Squad is an A list and a B list

B list are for youngsters who have been with us for 2 or more uninterrupted years.
You can add to this list a day, or few days before a game

The A list:
8 players who are 'Locally Trained'
17 other players

Locally trained is then split in to 2 groups: Club-trained & Association-trained

From uefa.com
What's a 'locally trained player'?
There are two categories:
1. Club-trained players – players who were on a club's books for three years between the ages of 15 and 21;
2. Association-trained players – players who were on another club's books in the same association for three years between the ages of 15 and 21. No club can have more than four association-trained players among their eight nominees on List A.


you need to list at least 2 goalkeepers in your squad
 

Streetspur77

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Kinda shitty that the HG rule is fucking us over considering that it’s goal is to better the England national team and we already provide pretty much half of the best 11

Not really fair tbh
 

Ben1

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Kinda shitty that the HG rule is fucking us over considering that it’s goal is to better the England national team and we already provide pretty much half of the best 11

Not really fair tbh
The Dier stuff is bollocks.
 

Majick

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Dier's English but trained in Portugal. Davies is Welsh but trained at a team affiliated with the English FA. It does seem so odd that both are classed as, essentially, foreign. I understand why, but still, it does nothing to help us.
 

chrissivad

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Dier's English but trained in Portugal. Davies is Welsh but trained at a team affiliated with the English FA. It does seem so odd that both are classed as, essentially, foreign. I understand why, but still, it does nothing to help us.

Davies is HG for the PL, but due to his loan in Denmark as a youngster for a couple of seasons isn't for Europe.
 

Japhet

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Kinda shitty that the HG rule is fucking us over considering that it’s goal is to better the England national team and we already provide pretty much half of the best 11

Not really fair tbh


Don't know about 'not fair'. The rules are pretty clear, but it seems ridiculous that we provided the core of the England WC team but struggle with the homegrown rules. How the hell Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool etc get by is a mystery but then I have no idea who their squads consist of apart from the 11 foreign players that seem to start for them every week.
 

Saoirse

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Davies is HG for the PL, but due to his loan in Denmark as a youngster for a couple of seasons isn't for Europe.

Nah, he wasn't on loan, he moved there as a kid from age 8-11 but that's nothing to do with it. The problem is that until Davies was 19, Swansea and Cardiff were registered with the Welsh FA despite playing in English competitions. This meant a couple of strange things - for instance, their players were subject to Welsh disciplinary rules on bans from yellow cards etc. And UEFA consider players trained there during this time as being trained in Wales even though the clubs are now registered with the English FA.
 

ClonedFromSandrosBeard

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When we were all gushing about shipping out Townsend, Mason, Bentaleb and Carroll for big fees we should have seen this coming.

Levy/Poch just have to suck it up and take a loss on this, not fair on the players and just a waste of money to keep them around.
 

Lilbaz

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The Dier stuff is bollocks.

The dier stuff is due to eu law and freedom of movement. They couldn't discriminate on nationality so uefa made the home grown rule that you had to play in the country for 3 years before turning 21. Dier just missed out as he had been at everton a year aswell.
 

Ben1

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The dier stuff is due to eu law and freedom of movement. They couldn't discriminate on nationality so uefa made the home grown rule that you had to play in the country for 3 years before turning 21. Dier just missed out as he had been at everton a year aswell.
Yeah I understand why it has to happen. Just the fact, the only reason this rule was introduced is the national team. Eric was captain at one time ffs:ROFLMAO:
 

Neon_Knight_

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I'm still confused by the ITK comment about us turning down Martial due to already having 3/4 non-HG players.

Alderweireld would be going in the opposite direction, so there would be no net change to our non-HG quota.
Janssen and Nkoudou are not really in the picture anyway. I would expect at least loan deals to be sorted out before the foreign windows close.
Our squad currently has space for a couple more HG players, but we would only have reason to fill these slots if we are a player short in a specific position. If we need to replace an outgoing player, this would almsot certainly mean another non-HG space become available (e.g. Aldweireld or Dembele)
 

punkisback

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When we were all gushing about shipping out Townsend, Mason, Bentaleb and Carroll for big fees we should have seen this coming.

Levy/Poch just have to suck it up and take a loss on this, not fair on the players and just a waste of money to keep them around.
They would have done better than your Sissoko's and Jansen's that's for sure.
 

Ben1

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I'm still confused by the ITK comment about us turning down Martial due to already having 3/4 non-HG players.

Alderweireld would be going in the opposite direction, so there would be no net change to our non-HG quota.
Janssen and Nkoudou are not really in the picture anyway. I would expect at least loan deals to be sorted out before the foreign windows close.
Our squad currently has space for a couple more HG players, but we would only have reason to fill these slots if we are a player short in a specific position. If we need to replace an outgoing player, this would almsot certainly mean another non-HG space become available (e.g. Aldweireld or Dembele)
Exactly, I can't really understand the need to do it in the next three days. We won't have problems finding loans for our players abroad (fees perhaps) and it would be the stupidest decision ever to turn down a top foreign player, because we can't register Janssen, who is never playing for the club again anyway.
 

LexingtonSpurs

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I'm still confused by the ITK comment about us turning down Martial due to already having 3/4 non-HG players.

Alderweireld would be going in the opposite direction, so there would be no net change to our non-HG quota.
Janssen and Nkoudou are not really in the picture anyway. I would expect at least loan deals to be sorted out before the foreign windows close.
Our squad currently has space for a couple more HG players, but we would only have reason to fill these slots if we are a player short in a specific position. If we need to replace an outgoing player, this would almsot certainly mean another non-HG space become available (e.g. Aldweireld or Dembele)
look at the chart above - if you take Toby out - and put Foyth in his place, and eliminate both GKN and Janssen - we are at the limit for CL. If we add a non-HG player, that means one non-HG player will not be able to play in CL. Thats a tough sell to any player.

A lot of factors could impact that though - Wanyama's injury could be long-term, and we won't register him for CL group stages. Or, maybe we do not register Dembele, and only play him in league matches.

But, right now - we are up against the limit of non-HG players in CL.
 

LexingtonSpurs

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Exactly, I can't really understand the need to do it in the next three days. We won't have problems finding loans for our players abroad (fees perhaps) and it would be the stupidest decision ever to turn down a top foreign player, because we can't register Janssen, who is never playing for the club again anyway.
A few points:

1. Take Janssen and GKN out of the picture - nobody is talking about needing to register either player. Right now, neither will be registered.

2. We can't force players to go on loan abroad. I am sure the club are looking at viable options for GKN, Janssen, and probably Dembele and Sissoko - but we can't force them out.

3. Typically players must be registered after the window closes - I assume that is the case this year also - so that means teams know we have to move players after the deadline, and we will get raped. Nobody likes to get raped.
 
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