How many more years do you want Harry to stay?

[boy-C]

I would be happy for harry to stay on as our manager if he was to improve on the faults he has made, but harry seems to think he hasn't made any faults so there is nothing to improve on in his eyes, he just likes to blame anything but himself for his own shortcomings.

This is why I voted 0 years.

 

[SteveH]

Harry's record.....4th,5th probably 4th.....3 wembley appearences...QF of the CL, all in just over 3 years.

Playing more often than not a style of football most prem managers voted the best......sack him now!!!...

Everytime i watch the prem years on sky it reminds me of how poor we were before.

i am not Mr Harry's greatest ever fan , don't take my post the wrong way, but the unjust shit against him forces me to defend him and make me sound like an obsessed Harry lover which i am not, i just think he deserves more respect and has by hook or crook done a fine job.

Nice to read a bit of common sense. An agree tick is sometimes just not enough praise. I too am not Harry greatest fan. But some of the silly 'sack him' posts beggar belief.

 

[StartingPrice]

Harry's record.....4th,5th probably 4th.....3 wembley appearences...QF of the CL, all in just over 3 years.

Playing more often than not a style of football most prem managers voted the best......sack him now!!!...

Everytime i watch the prem years on sky it reminds me of how poor we were before.

i am not Mr Harry's greatest ever fan , don't take my post the wrong way, but the unjust shit against him forces me to defend him and make me sound like an obsessed Harry lover which i am not, i just think he deserves more respect and has by hook or crook done a fine job.

Yes, ELY, that is all well and good, but the converse is true as well.
I have always supported MR RedHarry.
I constantly credit his achievements at this club. I am grateful. We have some wonderful memories.
I don't want him immediately sacked.
I am right behind the team and the manager for the remaining four games.
It's the Chairman's decision, in any case, and if we get CL and the Chairman decides to continue with him I will be right behind him and the team next season as well.
But, afer the QPR game (n.b. not before) I was forced to accept, on reflection, that our form was relegation form of the direst kind. I would put any money on it that many of those who have come out as his most virulent supporters, hurling abuse out even the mildest of criticism, or even rational discussion of the situation that isn't 100% whitewashing him, were equally virulent against Ramos for a not too dissimilar record. That's the bottom dollar, we imploded, and it isn't the first time under his leadership, at this stage of the season, after getting us into an excellent position, and with a relatively benign end to the season. I think it is only right that we question this - it has to be discussed if this is a result of his methodologies, it has to be asked if he has found his level and taken us as far as he can, it has to be asked if a better manager could take us further with this bunch of players.
And yet doing this induces abuse and insults and swearing and shouting, and in answering that abuse, I sometimes find myself sounding more anti-Ratknip than I actually am.
At the end of the day, I can't see anything disrespectful of him, and yet some folk seem to think I am a treacherous dawg who deserves death (or similar ).
I don't see what the problem is. People find their level in whatever career they choose

 

[stemark44]

Why are you arguing over facts?

They did contribute that season whether you like it or not.

Moronic post.

Yeah its also a fact that Djimi Traore,Josemi,Antonio Nunez,Scott Carson and Igor Biscan were all part of a Champions League winning side.................it doesn't make them fucking good players though,does' it?

 

[Mr Pink]

Yeah its also a fact that Djimi Traore,Josemi,Antonio Nunez,Scott Carson and Igor Biscan were all part of a Champions League winning side.................it doesn't make them fucking good players though,does' it?

So you've named their bench for the final bar Traore, big deal.

You're disputing that some of the players Harry bought didn't contribute, they clearly did. They might not be good enough now, but at the time we got 'returns' from them. Its not like we bought them and they were complete flops and didn't contribute a thing.

You really need to take your head out of your arse.

 

[sloth]

So you've named their bench for the final bar Traore, big deal.

You're disputing that some of the players Harry bought didn't contribute, they clearly did. They might not be good enough now, but at the time we got 'returns' from them. Its not like we bought them and they were complete flops and didn't contribute a thing.

You really need to take your head out of your arse.

So you don't think the £56m we spent on them couldn't have been invested better elsewhere?

 

[StartingPrice]

So you don't think the £56m we spent on them couldn't have been invested better elsewhere?

As I said in my post, above, Sloth-Boy, it is not whether we could get better players for that money - it is whether we could have got better players, then, players who were available and willing to come to a team that was in recent flirtation with relegation.

As Pinky says, the players came in and did a job - that is normal. The only problem that I can see is that we have held on to Defoe and Bassong for too long instead of replacing them with better, as befitting our elevated station in life.

 

[Mr Pink]

So you don't think the £56m we spent on them couldn't have been invested better elsewhere?

Not sure why you're saying that? Its not the debate. Of course I do, but to imply they havn't contributed to our recent success is just pure ridiculous.

The pertinent point here is that they wern't disasters (Crouch, Palacios et al), anybody trying to make out that business was, is exaggerating for the sake of affect to twist the knife a little more regarding Harry.

A better example would be Bentley, oh yeah Harry didn't sign him....

 

[sloth]

Not sure why you're saying that? Its not the debate. Of course I do, but to imply they havn't contributed to our recent success is just pure ridiculous.

The pertinent point here is that they wern't disasters (Crouch, Palacios et al), anybody trying to make out it was, is exaggerating for the sake of affect to twist the knife a little more regarding Harry.

Sorry for butting into a private argument, but I made a similar point to Stemark's on another thread.

Basically, I think what Stemark was saying was that given a big budget Harry hasn't a great track-record, as evinced by £56m spent on the aforementioned players. Bomber countered that they were a great investment because they got us 4th and therefore, yes, Harry should be given more money to spend. In my opinion, and I can tell in Stemark's too, this is disingenuous in the extreme, because the argument is about value for money, what it gets spent on, and whether Harry's the correct man to do the spending.

Into that debate, you then came by making the apparently neutral point that they contributed to the CL year. However, in the context of the particular spat it was never going to come across as neutral, but in fact loaded, as if you were reinforcing Bomber's disingenuous retort.

Hence my question to you

 

[Mr Pink]

Sorry for butting into a private argument, but I made a similar point to Stemark's on another thread.

Basically, I think what Stemark was saying was that given a big budget Harry hasn't a great track-record, as evinced by £56m spent on the aforementioned players. Bomber countered that they were a great investment because they got us 4th and therefore, yes, Harry should be given more money to spend. In my opinion, and I can tell in Stemark's too, this is disingenuous in the extreme, because the argument is about value for money, what it gets spent on, and whether Harry's the correct man to do the spending.

Into that debate, you then came by making the apparently neutral point that they contributed to the CL year. However, in the context of the particular spat it was never going to come across as neutral, but in fact loaded, as if you were reinforcing Bomber's disingenuous retort.

Hence my question to you

How do you measure value? I would say those players playing regularly in the side that achieved fourth did contribute value in some, shape or form.

Look I agree that you can certainly question the 'value' of those investments over all, I just don't like the way some make their points.

Lets be honest Stemark can't wait to bash the guy at every opportunity. He might be right with some of his criticism, which I happen to agree with - in some instances, but some of the other stuff is ridiculous.

There is a difference between legitimate criticism and questioning, and just looking for any reason to find fault. I think its probably been a build up, on my part, of reading the guy's posts for the last few weeks that caused me to intervene.

Sorry for the intrusion

Like I said on another thread, three categories:

• Harry bashers
• Harry doubters
• Harry lovers

 

[stemark44]

I thought this thread was about how many more seasons do you want Harry to stay for?

Someone mentioned that it would be good to see what Harry could do given a proper budget?

It would seem relevant that I would talk about Harry and the value of his transfers.

If you think that's bashing Harry then that's your problem.

65% of voters on this thread also don't want him to stay.

 

[Wheeler Dealer]

Someone mentioned that it would be good to see what Harry could do given a proper budget?

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Does this not indicate that Levy does not trust Redknapp, which only leads to my view that he'll be gone in the next couple of weeks.

 

[Mr Pink]

I thought this thread was about how many more seasons do you want Harry to stay for?

Someone mentioned that it would be good to see what Harry could do given a proper budget?

It would seem relevant that I would talk about Harry and the value of his transfers.

If you think that's bashing Harry then that's your problem.

65% of voters on this thread also don't want him to stay.

You're saying you don't bash Harry, give me a break - its all you've been doing - and its boring.

I actually think we should be probably parting ways with him, but to continually slag the guy who has clearly done a very good job overall since he arrived, well I'm lost for words. Its cringe worthy.

 

[Grey Fox]

I posted these two bits yesterday and I think they got a bit lost (don't know why but always seem to post last on a page!)

I have been told FA had conversations with Spurs and he thinks the Compensation needed was too much for them. Also only his own feeling, but thinks Harry may retire from the game/have time off and get a "by mutual agreement, but smaller compensation package from Levy as a thank you, but f*** off package. As my contact reminded me Harry has had one hell of a year and thinks there will be immense pressure from the family to call a time out.
As I have already reported Levy had three possibles lined up and I still think we will have a new manager come the summer. Harry can make a few bob by being an "expert" , TV companies will be falling over themselves for him to be part of their team for the Championships etc and he will always have his columns in the papers, while still having the possibility of becoming England manager if RH has a breakdown once the media get their teeth into him.

AND​

Dick Advocaat has just announced leaving Russia job at the end of Euros. "It's true that I will leave my job after the European Championship. I don't want to name the reason just yet but one thing I can say for sure - it's not because of money." Hmmmmm

 

[mpickard2087]

Advocaat is going to PSV.

(Not sure if you were suggesting he could be a target for us, Grey Fox)

 

[thinktank]

'Arry needs to show that he can be humble and admit when he gets things wrong and then learn and correct them sharpish and not just continue in the same vein to the detriment of the team, just to try and prove to the world that he's right (when he isn't); also listen to his right hand men more and up his mentality on training, set pieces etc., if he hasn't got those tools then bring someone in who has and add them to the staff.

He needs to demand more from himself and raise his game as a manager to suit the level he's now managing at.

 

[bomberH]

Stemark, you're becoming the worst of the lot of them. You're very similar to DA now, it's ridiculous. You mentioned the players he bought and basically ridiculed them despite the fact they helped us get CL football for the first time ever. Every player you mentioned played a decent part, especially Palacios. And as we were on a shitty slide at the time, the top top players weren't likely to come to us were they?

You just can't disguise the fact they all did a great job for us for a couple of seasons, noone expected us to get CL that season and those players helped prove everyone wrong.

Eastlondonyid made a great point. I'm not and never have been Harry's greatest fan but I feel like I should stand up to moronic and misguided posts like yours because the youngsters here may believe what you're saying, whereas the facts remain we've had our greatest period for 25 or so years under Harry's leadership. Your response will be 'best squad in years, done it in spite of him, blah blah blah' so predictable and, as usual, completely ignoring the facts.

 

[Grey Fox]

Advocaat is going to PSV.

(Not sure if you were suggesting he could be a target for us, Grey Fox)

I was, haven't heard about PSV, if it was PSG I would be really excited

 

[Lo Amo Speroni]

Some people defend him to the hilt, others bash him every chance they get.

I just agreed with Mr Pink and Bomber H on the same subject and both have different views. Go figure.

He either gets offered a contract and money to spend, or he goes and a new guy comes in. As I have said elsewhere, there is no sense in keeping him just for another season.

 

[StartingPrice]

I was haven't heard about PSV, if was PSG I mwould be really excited

Point of order, Grey Fox: When ridiculing someones spelling, always make a point of spelling the ridicule correctly