I'm not an accountant but...

[Lighty64]

You're right but when you say we've had news, it's nothing but internet rumours really.

oh yes it's come from ITK, their sources have provided and what too many on here still won't do is add salt to it. due to our targets that have been mentioned that some have been made harder to get, there is a very good chance the original amount mentioned may of been way over the top, as now the plan B-Z will change in costs.

I did also edit my other post that you quoted.

 

[am_yisrael_chai]

the thing is, we have a few players we want rid out of our squad, and perhaps the expectations haven't materialised. we have had news that Toby, Dembele, Janssen, N'Kouduo and others are available, yet at the moment none have gone, and other than Janssen any real bids that meet Levy's price has come in.

no good going out and buying 4 new toys, if no wants to buy the old ones that need to go. No way will Levy want to be paying wages for players we don't want, which could effect what he will go to for the new ones.

edit: Sanchez has signed a new contract too, I expect the main squad will all see an increase

We are now paying the price for the flawed transfer windows of the last few years. We bought cheap plan D players and most haven’t worked out so now the squad is stacked with players we don’t want and supposedly need to sell before we can buy. People seem to forget that the rationale in buying these cheaper players was that if they didn’t work out we could sell for small losses, time to put in place that element of the strategy and clear out the transfer failures of the last few years - Sissoko, Llorente, Janssen, Nkoudou.

 

[hellava_tough]

It is all well and good having a big budget but we are still competing with high quality teams for the pool of players we want to acquire.

Names like De Ligt get mentioned. He is s high profile young player and will be expensive. If we are willing to pay the money then great, but he still then needs to want to join us above other interested parties.

Totally agree

That said, if we are going to go for cheaper alternatives that turn into quality players, we really need to do better with our scouting
especially where attacking players are concerned

I've said it before, but I'm starting to doubt whether our old/current recruitment model is viable anymore. I think our squad is too strong for 'value' players to increase the quality of it

And the trouble is, as the seasons roll by, our best players will either be leaving or growing older

I would rather recruit one £70m player a season and a couple of 'value' players, and sell 2 or 3 of the 'deadwood' variety, than recruiting 5 or 6 value players every season

Incidentally, if we're going to sell a 'star' we should have a policy that we sell them for enough money that we can bring in 2 'stars' or 2 'potential stars'

Basically what I'm trying to say is we need to be growing and improving, season on season; I really don't think we're doing that now. Judging by last season's transfers, I think we've stalled to be honest

 

[dontcallme]

Totally agree

That said, if we are going to go for cheaper alternatives that turn into quality players, we really need to do better with our scouting
especially where attacking players are concerned

I've said it before, but I'm starting to doubt whether our old/current recruitment model is viable anymore. I think our squad is too strong for 'value' players to increase the quality of it

And the trouble is, as the seasons roll by, our best players will either be leaving or growing older

I would rather recruit one £70m player a season and a couple of 'value' players, and sell 2 or 3 of the 'deadwood' variety, than recruiting 5 or 6 value players every season

Incidentally, if we're going to sell a 'star' we should have a policy that we sell them for enough money that we can bring in 2 'stars' or 2 'potential stars'

Basically what I'm trying to say is we need to be growing and improving, season on season; I really don't think we're doing that now. Judging by last season's transfers, I think we've stalled to be honest

I think you have a point but it is difficult.

If we start trying to buy £70m players then we are still competing with bigger clubs and just end up buying lower quality players than our rivals.

It is due to this that teams like West Ham have failed. They buy big but at a lower level than those they want to compete with.

I think there is still room for our model but real value is much harder to find now.

 

[coys200]

We are now paying the price for the flawed transfer windows of the last few years. We bought cheap plan D players and most haven’t worked out so now the squad is stacked with players we don’t want and supposedly need to sell before we can buy. People seem to forget that the rationale in buying these cheaper players was that if they didn’t work out we could sell for small losses, time to put in place that element of the strategy and clear out the transfer failures of the last few years - Sissoko, Llorente, Janssen, Nkoudou.

I’d say our success rate on transfers is probably about 50% which is probably standard. And our success rate of buying cheap and seeing huge % increase in value is probably the best in the league. Don’t think there’s very much wrong with our transfer policy apart from generally buying too late in window.

 

[hellava_tough]

I’d say our success rate on transfers is probably about 50% which is probably standard. And our success rate of buying cheap and seeing huge % increase in value is probably the best in the league. Don’t think there’s very much wrong with our transfer policy apart from generally buying too late in window.

Generally agree with that if you're looking at a 12 year period ( I think Carrick was the first of many to be bought low and sold high)

However, my point is that things have changed on the field for us over the last 24 months, which will impact on the effectiveness of our old/current transfer policy

So going forward, there's a really danger that we'll start to fall away especially seeing how the PL is incredibly competitive these days

 

[hellava_tough]

I think you have a point but it is difficult.

If we start trying to buy £70m players then we are still competing with bigger clubs and just end up buying lower quality players than our rivals.

It is due to this that teams like West Ham have failed. They buy big but at a lower level than those they want to compete with.

I think there is still room for our model but real value is much harder to find now.

Okay, so first and foremost you have to buy good players, who can take you to 'the next level' (relatively speaking)

West Ham simply haven't consistently bought good players; most are average or crap (relatively speaking). So they've got the worst of both worlds; paying over the odds for players who won't improve them!

With regards to us spending £70m, I agree that the bigger boys will also be interested in these types of players. I'm totally on board with your point there

However...

Surely we've got more of a chance stealing a march on the bigger boys, if we stump up top-dollar with our first bid, as opposed to waiting until we've sold players, or waiting until the end of the transfer window?

I mean, it's not like we don't know how much a club wants for a player, or how much a player wants to get paid? Clubs and players are courted, agents put out feelers, etc, etc, the info is all there.

We might not always succeed in getting our man, but we'd have a better chance.

 

[dontcallme]

Okay, so first and foremost you have to buy good players, who can take you to 'the next level' (relatively speaking)

West Ham simply haven't consistently bought good players; most are average or crap (relatively speaking). So they've got the worst of both worlds; paying over the odds for players who won't improve them!

With regards to us spending £70m, I agree that the bigger boys will also be interested in these types of players. I'm totally on board with your point there

However...

Surely we've got more of a chance stealing a march on the bigger boys, if we stump up top-dollar with our first bid, as opposed to waiting until we've sold players, or waiting until the end of the transfer window?

I mean, it's not like we don't know how much a club wants for a player, or how much a player wants to get paid? Clubs and players are courted, agents put out feelers, etc, etc, the info is all there.

We might not always succeed in getting our man, but we'd have a better chance.

My point with West Ham is they bought expensive ready made players but due to their position they couldn’t get above those they wanted to compete with and was short term thinking.

For £70m players I don’t think it is simply about us putting up the cash. If a player of that ability became available then he would still be sensible to wait to see if other offers came in.

I think there is more of an argument for us to put in good bids for players around the Malcom level.

We will be seen as a step up and likely the most attractive destination. So the deal becomes easier but we need to scout very thoroughly if we go down that route.

 

[am_yisrael_chai]

I’d say our success rate on transfers is probably about 50% which is probably standard. And our success rate of buying cheap and seeing huge % increase in value is probably the best in the league. Don’t think there’s very much wrong with our transfer policy apart from generally buying too late in window.

In Summer 2016 we bought Wanyama, GKN, Janssen, Sissoko
In Summer 2017 we bought Sánchez, Llorente, Foyth, Aurier

Across those 2 windows I would say only Wanyama and Sanchez have been a success, jury out on Aurier and Foyth and the others have flopped. That is a 25% success rate. I also don’t think it is coincidental that our successes have come in defensive areas, where prices are comparatively cheaper, and our flops have come in attacking areas where quality costs and where we have invariably failed to land our Plan A only to drop down quite significantly in quality with our actual purchases.

The simple fact is that as the team on the pitch gets better, and it undoubtedly has, incremental acquisitions become more difficult and more expensive but that is what is required if we are to keep progressing.

 

[Klinsmannesque]

Totally agree

That said, if we are going to go for cheaper alternatives that turn into quality players, we really need to do better with our scouting
especially where attacking players are concerned

I've said it before, but I'm starting to doubt whether our old/current recruitment model is viable anymore. I think our squad is too strong for 'value' players to increase the quality of it

And the trouble is, as the seasons roll by, our best players will either be leaving or growing older

I would rather recruit one £70m player a season and a couple of 'value' players, and sell 2 or 3 of the 'deadwood' variety, than recruiting 5 or 6 value players every season

Incidentally, if we're going to sell a 'star' we should have a policy that we sell them for enough money that we can bring in 2 'stars' or 2 'potential stars'

Basically what I'm trying to say is we need to be growing and improving, season on season; I really don't think we're doing that now. Judging by last season's transfers, I think we've stalled to be honest

Dele, Eriksen, Dier, Toby, Trippier, Davies, Wanyama and even go as far to say Son all value players and integral components of the squad. Moura too was value.

Yes there have been misses but why tear up the blueprint that got us here. I remember 3 years ago people saying 'the time is now, we just need 1 or 2 quality additions.

We have 3 players that would fetch £100m plus 2 from 'value scouting' and 1 from youth development.

At the end of the last window most felt we were in a stronger position on paper, but many were also complaining 2/3 weeks before it closed.

You can only judge a window at the end, no point worrying until then. Especially as there isn't a single thing any of us can do about it.

 

[coys200]

Generally agree with that if you're looking at a 12 year period ( I think Carrick was the first of many to be bought low and sold high)

However, my point is that things have changed on the field for us over the last 24 months, which will impact on the effectiveness of our old/current transfer policy

So going forward, there's a really danger that we'll start to fall away especially seeing how the PL is incredibly competitive these days

But don’t underestimate the Poch effect on improving players and the age of our squad. We probably still haven’t seen best of kane dele eriksen Son. Ok I know it’s cliche but players like Lamela moura Trippier could be like new signings and go up another level with a proper pre season and new found confidence. People may think we are standing still but even without buying the core of the squad are getting better year on year.

 

[Donki]

I think people really don’t see how far we are still lacking behind United, City, Chelsea and Liverpool money wise we still have a long way to go to be finically close to any of them.

 

[SugarRay]

Basically it actually does look like we’ve got this stadium payment hanging around our necks for a good while.

All the ‘won’t affect transfer budgets’ chat is true when you consider we don’t spend that much anyway!

Looks like the ‘time to be brave’ chat meant trying to challenge on even less money than before the move back home!

 

[coys200]

I think people really don’t see how far we are still lacking behind United, City, Chelsea and Liverpool money wise we still have a long way to go to be finically close to any of them.

I’d imagine our revenue for 17/18 will be very close to Liverpool considering we stuck about £70m on our gate receipts even taking into account the Wembley rent. Next season as long as we have comparable CL run we should zoom past Liverpool revenue and probably chelsea as well. We will likely be 3rd to city and united.

 

[Donki]

I’d imagine our revenue for 17/18 will be very close to Liverpool considering we stuck about £70m on our gate receipts even taking into account the Wembley rent. Next season as long as we have comparable CL run we should zoom past Liverpool revenue and probably chelsea as well. We will likely be 3rd to city and united.

Can’t see it, we are along way behind the clubs I mentioned commercially. A quick basic look at Instagram, Liverpool have 8M followers we have just over 2M. Chelsea have 12M, City over 7M and ofc United have over 22M. You may think what the fuck has Instagram to do with revenue, well it reflects following which will in turn reflect commercial income.

Here is the commercial figures for the 2016 season, ours was £59M.

Liverpool: £168M
Chelsea: £122M
City: £178M
United: £268M

Ofc that was 2 years ago and we will have improved, but so will all of them. I still say we have a long way to go. People love laughing at Liverpool, me included but they are a massively supported club world wide. City’s and Chelsea’s domestic success over the last decade or so has lifted them up the scale, winning trophies is massively important when wanting to grow a fan base world wide and the figures show this. It’s why I have a massive problem with people who say cups don’t matter.

Long winded post but hopefully not a wall of text.

 

[Donki]

And more on tone with Levy, I’m a lifelong BSoDL and have no qualms saying it. But I’m years to come people will realise what him and ENIC have done for the club. Of course they are in it to make money but I can’t think of any other owners that have done so much for a club during their tenure in terms of doing it “the right way”. Yes they made mistakes but people look too much at the poor signings instead of looking at the Dele’s, Hugo’s, Eriksen’s and Son’s, even going back to the Carrick’s, Berbarov’s and Modric’s.

I’ve said it before I would hate to have an oligarch or a country country with a record of horrendous human right issues, but that’s just me.

 

[newbie]

Can’t see it, we are along way behind the clubs I mentioned commercially. A quick basic look at Instagram, Liverpool have 8M followers we have just over 2M. Chelsea have 12M, City over 7M and ofc United have over 22M. You may think what the fuck has Instagram to do with revenue, well it reflects following which will in turn reflect commercial income.

Here is the commercial figures for the 2016 season, ours was £59M.

Liverpool: £168M
Chelsea: £122M
City: £178M
United: £268M

Ofc that was 2 years ago and we will have improved, but so will all of them. I still say we have a long way to go. People love laughing at Liverpool, me included but they are a massively supported club world wide. City’s and Chelsea’s domestic success over the last decade or so has lifted them up the scale, winning trophies is massively important when wanting to grow a fan base world wide and the figures show this. It’s why I have a massive problem with people who say cups don’t matter.

Long winded post but hopefully not a wall of text.

Win and we will get fans.

 

[Shadydan]

Someone summarise the last couple of pages, cba to read cheers.

 

[Donki]

Win and we will get fans.

Don’t get me wrong we have a massive domestic following that I think most other clubs don’t get, but it’s globally where we fall down a bit.

 

[Donki]

Someone summarise the last couple of pages, cba to read cheers.

Levy’s a penny pinching ****, he’s not he’s our saviour, Levy’s a penny pinching ****, he’s not he’s our saviour, Levy’s a penny pinching ****, he’s not he’s our saviour, Levy’s a penny pinching ****, he’s not he’s our saviour, Levy’s a penny pinching ****, he’s not he’s our saviour.