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In defence of Jol

Discussion in 'Spurscommunity Front Page News' started by green_nigel, Feb 1, 2007.

  • by green_nigel, Feb 1, 2007 at 12:29 AM
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    I think most people on SC support Jol, but this is worth a read as it adds some useful perspective.

    By Sam Lyon, BBC Sport

    And so, once again, Spurs’ lofty ambitions are undone by their fierce rivals. Having not beaten Arsenal for 17 matches previously, and near the 20th anniversary of the Gunners’ famous win over Spurs in the League Cup semi-final in 1987, what else did Tottenham fans expect?

    However, this defeat might have far greater significance than denying Tottenham a cup final appearance – a trawl through the various message boards across the web suggests, unbelievably, this might be another nail in the coffin of Martin Jol as Spurs boss.

    Can this be true?

    Even after last season, when Spurs attained their highest-placed finish in the league since 1987, some Tottenham fans are not happy. Apparently, their ambitions have risen to the degree that anything other than earning European football year-on-year should result in Jol’s departure. And, with the cups still regarded as a lottery, league form and position is the ultimate guide to a season’s success.

    The case for the prosecution says that on the league front, Jol has failed to really light the fires this season. They are currently ninth, with just nine wins from 24 games - six points off their tally at this stage last season. Furthermore, despite an all-too rare victory over Chelsea, Spurs’ continued fallibility against the top sides endures, as does the feeling among some supporters that Jol lacks the tactical nous to compete with his more-esteemed colleagues in the Premiership.

    All of this, of course, must also be ‘endured’ against the backdrop of continued success for rivals Chelsea and Arsenal.

    However, to my mind, to suggest Jol should be sacked is utter folly.

    First of all, Jol’s side have had to contend with a fixture list barely recognisable to the club in recent years. Already this season, they have played 38 games – just two fewer than last season. And this fixture pile-up has not been helped by a lengthy injury list. Ledley King’s absence has been most keenly felt, but a host of other key first-teamers - Jermaine Jenas, Aaron Lennon, Steed Malbranque, Dimitar Berbatov, Mido, Teemu Tainio and Robbie Keane - have also spent time on the sidelines.

    And this is without mentioning the loss of Michael Carrick in the summer.

    All of this means that, by ill-design or other, Jol has been forced to rely this season on a combination of foreigners who, whilst clearly talented, have struggled to quickly adapt to the pace of the Premiership, and a host of inexperienced youngsters. That Michael Dawson is one of the more experienced members of the first XI says a lot.

    Furthermore, despite persistent claims to the contrary, Jol has not assembled his current squad at huge expense - the sales of Michael Carrick, Fredi Kanoute, Simon Davies, Sean Davis, Pedro Mendes and Noe Pamarot add up to £34.6m alone.

    And yet, despite these problems, Spurs supporters will wake up on Thursday morning in the knowledge that, although out of the Carling Cup, they still face two face ‘winnable’ games to reach the quarter-finals of the Uefa Cup and FA Cup and are just five points off sixth spot.

    They also have a squad that is not only the envy of those outside the ‘top four’ but those within it. King, Lennon, Tom Huddlestone, Berbatov, Jermain Defoe, Jenas, Pascal Chimbonda and Paul Robinson might all, arguably, command a place in the best Premiership sides and Spurs’ “buy young” policy has been well tipped to bear fruit in the coming years.

    Lastly – let’s look at Jol’s record. In the Cups this season, he has led Tottenham to 12 wins, one draw and a loss from 14 games. In fact, his overall win/loss record at the club stands at 47.36% (114 games, 54 wins, 28 draws, 32 losses) - fifth in the all-time list of Tottenham managers. How on earth can his future be in doubt?

    I’ve interviewed Jol on numerous occasions and, as articulate, affable, intelligent and media savvy as he is, it is his overwhelming desire for success and love of Spurs that shines through most.

    Surely, given Spurs’ track record of poor managerial appointments, of chopping and changing without success, of failing to display patience and loyalty at the most crucial of times, now is the time for Jol to get the support he has earned?

    A brutally disappointing defeat it was against Arsenal, but the last thing it should represent is the beginning of the end of Jol’s tenure at Tottenham.
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Discussion in 'Spurscommunity Front Page News' started by green_nigel, Feb 1, 2007.

  1. GDG
    He's absolutely right too. Nearly every team in the Premier League would be envious of the season we're having to date. Just a recap: we lost in the semi-final of the CC, we are in the last 16 of the EUFA and FA Cups and are still in 9th position in the league despite long-term injuries to key players and a woeful away record (which probably go hand in hand). A quick reailty check is in order for all the people writing BMJ off.
  2. khop145
    Good say :clap:

    With Chelsea & Gunners in CC final, it opens another UEFA Cup spot next season from league. i.e. 7th place finish in league could qualify for Europe next season. We shall aim for 5th-7th finish right now, besides the 2 other Cups run.
  3. khop145
    We are in 10th now after Newscastle chop out a win against Villa...
  4. ShadyAftermath2k
    Good article, and he got it spot on! I've wondered about BMJ's transfer targets of late, but i still trust the man to take Spurs onto another level, and he will do. The future is bright for Spurs, no matter what the haters, want to say.

    COYS!!!!
  5. Makkaveli101
    I posted this in the ARSEnal/Spurs match thread but thats been since sucked into the side column so I thought I'd post it here too. I can feel just as disappointed and frustrated as the next Spurs fan, but these facts do read pretty impressive reading and if only one YID misses out on reading this it would be a shame!

    In only, his second full season (and may I add this season isn't finished yet!):

    » Highest ever finish in a Premiership season and highest in 16 years (since 1989-90). (2005-06 season)
    » First European qualification via the league in 23 years. (2005-06 season)
    » Achieved the best home record for a season in 15 years. (2005-06 season)
    » Lead Tottenham to their first league victory over Chelsea in 16 years. (2006-07 season)
    » Took Tottenham to the round of 32 in European competition for the first time in 14 years. (2006-07 season)
    » The best concurrent home wins (league) in 13 years with 6 consecutive home wins in a row matching the 1992-93 season. (2006-07 season)
    » The best concurrent home wins (all competitions) in 25 years with 11 consecutive home wins in a row, beating the previous record of 10 during the 1981-82 season. (2006-07 season)

    We have to have patience, yeah at times I feel we need an upgrade too - but this guy deserves time. At the end of 03/04 we would have killed to be where we are now. End of the day we're all Yids - I understand you're frustration, but we owe him more time. He's been good to us!

    (edit- we can now add to this 2 consecutive league cup semi finals in 2 consecutive years, things really aren't that bad!!)
  6. haxman
    Time will tell about Jol. We just want the best for our club, it is a building process and we do have some really good kids coming through, but to see Arsenal seemingly getting further and further ahead of us (their 2nd string side is good enough to beat anyone in the league except possibly Chelsea and Man Utd) is tough to take. Added to this, some of the decisions that Martin makes seems strange at times. It seems like he lacks the tactical know-how of a Ferguson, Wenger or Mourinho to kill games off when we are ahead especially away from home which is costing us points, even last year (Sunderland). I hope he does get it right because we've spent too long as a sleeping giant, it just depends on how long Levy and co. decide to give him to sort it out. The longer we spend in the doldrums, the harder it is going to be to get the big name signings in, the ones that will really make the difference to our club, but to get them will probably take Champions League football and that we can't offer. For now.
  7. THFC53
    we shoudnt even be discussing jols job.we are all behind him. laast nite we missed our three top players. leds berbs aand lennon .when there back we will make the real final at wembley.come on u spurs. that was a shit cup last nite anyway.
  8. Vegas
    This squad still has a couple seasons of evolution. All the top four clubs have been having some kind of success for the last 10-15 years. They know how to win things. We've won one trophy in that time and don't.
  9. battspur
    Jermain Defoe & Jenas - you must be joking !
  10. night-watchman
    Great article. This makes me feel a lot better about things. I admit I have being feeling a bit uneasy about Jol lately but this article has re afirmed my faith. Exellent point about Dawson as he is right it is an awful lot of weight on the young mans shoulders and his performance against Arsenal tonight just showed how much he has matured under Jol's management.
  11. sebo_sek
    Super super article :clap:


    Leave Jol be. He will get us there. But for those of you who are shouting for his head - it really wasnt his fault we lost last night. It wasnt his desired squad that took to the field and imagine what you would have done in that situation. I think he did really well. We can be proud of our lads after the game. You might say that we played against kids - not so. All the goals were scored or set up by the experienced players not the kids - barring Denilson none of them really shone.
  12. AJ
    Excuse me? We were knocked out by god'damn Grimsby last year at the first hurdle.
  13. dontcallme
    Thank you, very good article. Despite rising expectations and a few disappointments along the way Jols job in no way is under any pressure.

    He's been a great manager so far and i think he will continue to be for years to come.
  14. DOX
    I feel the biggest problem is, if we fail to qualify for Europe, I can't see players like Lennon, King and Defoe staying here with us. They are players that could easily play in most top teams. Especially Lennon and King. Players like these needs/wants to play in the CL year in, year out.
  15. Freddiehotspur
    I'm 100% behind Jol, much because of his affection with spurs, his character, the way he handles the media and the way he makes people work for a cause. The big man is a visionary in how he wants his team to play and in his work in creating a "spurs" feeling among the players.
    Still, we NEED to improve. A team like Blackburn can't win the premiership anymore. For the foreseeable future, there will be 4 teams challenging for this title.
    You need to think big, as Arse*** have been doing for over 10 years now. New stadium, new training facilities, new scouting network.. It all doesn't arrive on a wooden fleet.
    Man utd have been doing it for ages. It's almost institutionalised with them now. Winning, profits, leaders..
    In comparison, what do we have? We have experimented, experimented, experimented. No new training facilities, a new stadium is about 10 years away, the infrastructure is awful. We have bought so many new players it is rediculuos. We have changed managers more often than i have changed dipers.(which is never, but you get my point).

    Still, one point remains. Would we switch back to any of that from where we are now? Never. Levy has made his plans, and he sees our beloved club as a long-term investment. Firstly, new training facilities. Secondly, a new stadium. At the same time the squad needs improving (i believe that Levy is seeing how much capital a new stadium would demand, and could therefore be hesitant with investments before we achieve some on-the-field-success.) Thankfully, he is a bit more far-sighted than an average fan. Wenger did this in a lot shorter time frame than we can achieve (afford?). The reason was that the vacuum was there in the mid-90's. Liverpool were falling behind, who had heard of chelsea, Blackburn was a fluke, Leeds was a terrible one hit-wonder, and the barcodes have never really got the plot (although their stadium is in place). Building a winning team now is a lot harder in the short term picture than it was then. And no one will envy Jol's forthcoming tasks, with a starved audience always ready to pull the trigger if results go against us.

    My point is, give the big fella time, and we we will be in route for something bigger the coming seasons.
  16. RBlanch
    But as a truely great former manager said..

    "This club's ambitions are so great, that even success will have a hint of failure in it."

    I'm getting increasingly worried by Jol's "This team will improve attitude" after every loss, (which with our appalling away record is at least every other game!)

    When will we improve?
    When will we sign a left winger?
    Why do we still miss Carrick so much?
    When we will find some grit and determination?
    Would we be so abject if, for example, Sam Allardyce was our manager?
  17. Insomnia
    i love martin jol
    martin jol loves me...
  18. llamafarmer
    It's dissapointing that this unrest has got to a level where the mainstream media are picking it up. I was gutted last night - we were rubbish after half time, but Jol is the man to take us into a bright future and I wouldn't for a minute want to see him sacked!!
  19. bigspurs
    For f*ck's sake, why don't you get a room!

    No one dislike Jol as a man. I think he's great, but what the hell is he playing at this season?

    It's not all about stats mate. Oh, we were only six points ahead of where we are now last season etc. It's about players, tactics and rational thinking.

    Example: a) We badly need a left footed player. b) Why are we loaning out players that we need in the squad? c) Why are we trying to beat Ars*nal with two short guys up front? d) Why don't we make subs before 75 mins? Is is a f*cking religious practice or something? e) How do crap players like Tanio even get a look in?

    Oh and yeah, teams outside of the top 4 really envy us. Like Reading, Newcastle, Everton, Bolton, Portsmouth and anyone else who deservedly finishes above us this season!

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