Incorrect facts, rubbish (and pointless) quotes, another glorious piece of journalism

[yanno]

On that subject, hope I didn't cause offence with any journo remarks, but this one is particularly bad.

You certainly didn't offend me. :wink:

Hacks have to have tough skins - we couldn't do our job otherwise. I may occasionally defend my profession if I think the criticism is unfair. Also as a hack, I do have a reasonable understanding of the flow of information that leads to a "story" getting published. But much of the criticism of the media is entirely justified. For instance, the behaviour of "lobby" journalists in the build-up to the Iraq War was a national disgrace.

Btw - here's a list of most and least respected professions:

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The top ten most respected professions, listed in order, were - doctor; nurse; teacher; fireman; paramedic; Army/Navy/RAF; scientist; ambulance driver; police officer; care assistant.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The top ten least respected professions, listed in order, were - MP; estate agent; government minister; lawyer; journalist; footballer; advertising executive; car dealer; company director; accountant.[/FONT]
http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2002/05_may/29/respected_profession.shtml

 

[justfookinhitit]

Thanks for that Yanno - have just had plenty of laughs at the expense of my solicitor mate who falls below a car dealer in terms of respect for his profession.

 

[Stoof]

Thanks for that Yanno - have just had plenty of laughs at the expense of my solicitor mate who falls below a car dealer in terms of respect for his profession.

I expect he's really bothered about that.

In fact I doubt he could hardly hear you over all the money.

 

[Insomnia]

Harsh,I liked sean davis,he'd fit into the current set up no problem,back then,however,we had a multitude of midfielders,and i dont see anywhere in that article where he's having a dig at us,maybe he's shagged yer sister in the past?

 

[teddyboy]

Harsh,I liked sean davis,he'd fit into the current set up no problem,back then,however,we had a multitude of midfielders,and i dont see anywhere in that article where he's having a dig at us,maybe he's shagged yer sister in the past?

Haven't we all...

:dance:

 

[SpurSince57]

Sorry, I don't have any problem at all with what Davis has to say. I'd disagree about JD being our most clinical finisher, but there are plenty on SC who share his opinion (misguidedly :wink. Of course, JD in practice may be a completely different proposition from JD in actual matches.

 

[justfookinhitit]

Haven't we all...

:dance:

Yep - I have. Twice.

 

[yanno]

Sorry, I don't have any problem at all with what Davis has to say. I'd disagree about JD being our most clinical finisher, but there are plenty on SC who share his opinion (misguidedly :wink. Of course, JD in practice may be a completely different proposition from JD in actual matches.

And I do think one interesting fact emerges from the piece, which is that Davis thinks Jol is a good coach who gets the best out of players.

Given that Davis was passed over by BMJ, and Pompey is full of Spurs rejects, that's a very fair-minded thing to say. To place his comments in context, at club level, the coaches Davis has played for are: Tigana, Coleman, Santini, Jol, Redknapp.

 

[justfookinhitit]

I expect he's really bothered about that.

In fact I doubt he could hardly hear you over all the money.

They're not all rolling in cash - at least he isn't. That's what comes of working in contract law for a global media company that shows a fair amount of footer on their channels........

 

[Bus-Conductor]

I actually think the opposite to some. I think keane is a pretty lethal finisher, more so than Defoe, but actually doesn't work as hard as Defoe (there's not much in it though). dummying the ball when you don't get a call, pretending your going to challenge for the header and then pulling out, flapping your arms at a defender and wagging your finger at the linesman arenot actually "working hard".

 

[The Apprentice]

From all accounts Defoe is pretty special in training. Club and country.

Shame games aren't won on training pitches and he can't/won't replicate it in "real" situations.

 

[Stoof]

They're not all rolling in cash - at least he isn't. That's what comes of working in contract law for a global media company that shows a fair amount of footer on their channels........

Right - so at which point of his contract law existence does he become so unwholly respected? Or is the statistic based on people's assumption that law means criminal law, and therefore the ambulance chasing, personal injury lawyers that are slowly infiltrating our market from America? [Yes].

Such a worryingly small percentage of what law is actually practised in the world - but carry on with the stereotypes.

Booooooooooooooooooooooo. :wink:

As for Sean Davis, I actually quite liked him. Also was funny at Pompey when he wouldn't cut his hair until he scored.

I think he did a bit of a gruff interview after he left, moaning that he never got a chance. However, being fit and able for selection didn't seem to be a thing he did that often.

 

[Legend10]

I actually think the opposite to some. I think keane is a pretty lethal finisher, more so than Defoe, but actually doesn't work as hard as Defoe (there's not much in it though). dummying the ball when you don't get a call, pretending your going to challenge for the header and then pulling out, flapping your arms at a defender and wagging your finger at the linesman arenot actually "working hard".

Did you forget backing out of every single challenge including ones which are 80-20 in his favour, or did you think you had already made your point?

For me Keane and Defoe offer different things, in all reality Keane probably has more to offer than JD but personally I prefer JD as I see him as more honest in what he does for the team than Keane. With JD what you see is what you get whereas Keane is more of a huffer and bluffer.

I'm 40and grew up watching and playing football when it was a lot tougher and more physical than it is today and I still find it hard to rid myself of the notion that you "have to win the battle before you can win the war". Because of this I really struggle watching a talented player like Keane refusing to put his foot in for the cause and showing a total reluctance to involve himself in a ny sort of physical contact. Would he put his body on the line to score, or put his head in where boots are flying to nick a goal? No he wouldn't. Would he knowingly risk being injured to stop the other team scoring? Again the answer is no and I struggle with this.

As BC says, he deliberately puts himself out of position to challenge for balls in the air and chases down defenders and then stops or changes direction so he doesn't have to put in a challenge. Teams who concede as many goals as we do really need to defend from the front and as captain Keane should put his foot in to do that rather than backing away from the physical side of the game.

Keane no doubt has a better all round game than Defoe but in my humble opinion is by most the most over rated player that we have.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

He really is the most frustrating player I think I've seen. Capable of real moments of individual brilliance and a pretty cool finisher. His actual contribution to the team cause is definately vastly over rated. His inability to even make a half hearted challenge drives me fucking nuts. But what is almost worse is that his fear of contact actually stops him playing to his potential when we are in possession. He could probably add 5 goals a season to his tally (10 to ours) and remove 5-10 from our goals against just by putting in the effort. (First goal against BHam prime example)

 

[Gilzeanking]

Yeh and I get the impression that every now and then he coasts through a match ,hiding basically .Then , next match he may decide to put in the effort and does well .

Also I dread it when he's through one on one with the goalie ,with that much time to think , he never scores .

But anyway he can be great .I was hoping JR might have the motivational skills to get the best from him more often but ...

....maybe not .

 

[justfookinhitit]

Right - so at which point of his contract law existence does he become so unwholly respected? Or is the statistic based on people's assumption that law means criminal law, and therefore the ambulance chasing, personal injury lawyers that are slowly infiltrating our market from America? [Yes].

Such a worryingly small percentage of what law is actually practised in the world - but carry on with the stereotypes.

Booooooooooooooooooooooo. :wink:

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You a lawyer, by any chance Stoof ???!!!

 

[tommo84]

Yeah I get wound up by the constant stream of pro-Defoe nonsense.

Don't get me wrong I like the boy as a player and as a person (which I couldnt say about most England internationals these days). He's given so many opportunities and so much bait by the media to slag off the club and ask for a transfer but he never seems to take the bait. Its reminiscent of when Michael Owen was at Madrid and he went through the same sort of thing and handled it just as well.

But all of these pro-Defoe quotes and reports always miss a very fundamental issue - Keane and Berba are better than him. The London press have always wanted Defoe to be their golden boy up front in the same way Terry is their golden boy at the back. For that reason they cant seem to grasp that he's not being overlooked or ignored, he simply doesn't deliver as consistently as Keane and Berba. This shouldnt really suprise anyone as Keane and Berba practically carry their respective national teams whereas Defoe barely gets a kick for his even when we deluged with injuries.

 

[wizgell]

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[Legend10]

Yeah I get wound up by the constant stream of pro-Defoe nonsense.

Don't get me wrong I like the boy as a player and as a person (which I couldnt say about most England internationals these days). He's given so many opportunities and so much bait by the media to slag off the club and ask for a transfer but he never seems to take the bait. Its reminiscent of when Michael Owen was at Madrid and he went through the same sort of thing and handled it just as well.

But all of these pro-Defoe quotes and reports always miss a very fundamental issue - Keane and Berba are better than him. The London press have always wanted Defoe to be their golden boy up front in the same way Terry is their golden boy at the back. For that reason they cant seem to grasp that he's not being overlooked or ignored, he simply doesn't deliver as consistently as Keane and Berba. This shouldnt really suprise anyone as Keane and Berba practically carry their respective national teams whereas Defoe barely gets a kick for his even when we deluged with injuries.

Keane would barely get a kick for England either or is he all of a sudden better that the likes of Rooney and Owen?

By contrast Defoe if Irish would probably be as effective for them as Keane and would certainly be an automatic choice.

 

[thfcsteff]

Well one thing nobody can argue about is that when Benty went off today and Defoe came on, the shape and thrust of the game changed, Berbs looked ten times happier and we created more in 15 mins than we had in the previous 75...Benty had two chances today from which I thought he should've done far, far better, especially in the second half when he simply chickened out of challenging James for that Lennon cross. I've supported him in the past, but today bent was very, very disappointing...