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Lemon

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Yeah my H.pylori was ok.

I have cut down on drinking milk a lot lately but do still eat yogurts quite a lot.


Thanks for the info above as well.
That's cool. Yeah dairy is probably not your friend B-C, except A2 protein milk/cheeses perhaps (or kefir, even then only grass fed, organic, for me).

Likewise, acid bonded supplements , so if your misses is giving you Mag Citrate I don't think it's right, personally I have Milk Of Magnesia (Magnesium Hydroxide), 5ml of that is 415mg, likewise the Calcium may be best in an alkaline bond (or less prone to irritating you, calcium carbonate, hydroxide), though a little mag sulphate in water is cheapest, though acid it's likely OK with plentiful calcium in an alkaline bond.
 

bigpalacios

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Mother's a nurse and always tells me the worst when I bring up a symptom, so maybe she isn't the best of nurses, but either way, whenever I hear people talk about their diagnosis of ALS, it comes from a "my toe was cramping and didn't think anything of it".

Don't want to freak you out BC, but better be safe than sorry and I know this may seem over the top. But family friend was just diagnosed and she was having a small ping in her hip for a couple months.
Jesus christ, I usually go on Google to self diagnose any ache or pain and then come away thinking I have something serious and send myself under!

Next time I will PM you instead!
 

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Mother's a nurse and always tells me the worst when I bring up a symptom, so maybe she isn't the best of nurses, but either way, whenever I hear people talk about their diagnosis of ALS, it comes from a "my toe was cramping and didn't think anything of it".

Don't want to freak you out BC, but better be safe than sorry and I know this may seem over the top. But family friend was just diagnosed and she was having a small ping in her hip for a couple months.

ALS?
 

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That's cool. Yeah dairy is probably not your friend B-C, except A2 protein milk/cheeses perhaps (or kefir, even then only grass fed, organic, for me).

Likewise, acid bonded supplements , so if your misses is giving you Mag Citrate I don't think it's right, personally I have Milk Of Magnesia (Magnesium Hydroxide), 5ml of that is 415mg, likewise the Calcium may be best in an alkaline bond (or less prone to irritating you, calcium carbonate, hydroxide), though a little mag sulphate in water is cheapest, though acid it's likely OK with plentiful calcium in an alkaline bond.

She reckons I'm getting enough calcium from what I'm eating ? Yogurts, meat, veg etc ? She reckons the magnesium/calcium intake ratio should be 4/1 ?
 

stevenurse

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Well that escalated quickly...

Without spamming the thread more so than it has been, I'd say before radically changing your diet and keeping Holland and Barratt in business for another 3 years, some gentle calf exercises first thing in the morning and last thing at night, would potentially help. It could be a collection of other things, but DM me and I'll give you a bit more advice if you want (y)
 

Insomnia

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Wonder if you can give me some advice. I hadn't had that cramp in my calf muscles for years but lately, when I wake up and do that automatic wake up leg stretchy thing my calves keep pinging, especially my right one, and I have to leap out of bed and touch my toes to stretch it out.

I'm 50, not playing any sport lately, but do get plenty of (general walking) excercise.

Mrs bc has got me taking some magnesium today (@Lemon ) but any idea why this is happening now?
Is the answer Eric Dier? :cautious:
 

Lemon

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She reckons I'm getting enough calcium from what I'm eating ? Yogurts, meat, veg etc ? She reckons the magnesium/calcium intake ratio should be 4/1 ?
Too many variables to know, the 4-1, or 2-1, are generalised ratios based on an average person:

http://www.acu-cell.com/mr.html

However, increasing these same co-factors to above-normal levels will increase the risk for calcium loss, with all its undesirable consequences.

This is about night cramps and calcium:

How is Calcium related to Muscle Spasms or Cramps?

Calcium can be an effective nutritional or natural remedy for muscle spasms, particularly in many nocturnal cases (during sleep). The extra requirements for calcium may be a result of a very high protein intake, high phosphate levels (kidney disease, poor diet), hormonal diseases, nutritional imbalances, intestinal conditions (celiac disease) that interfere with calcium absorption, prescribed medications that promote calcium loss, or
supplementing too much of the wrong nutritional remedies, such as Vitamin A, Vitamin C, zinc, or lecithin.

An excessive Vitamin B-Complex intake is also capable of causing "burning muscles" or chronic muscle tension. Calcium levels are further affected by blood-thinning drugs, and nutritional supplements with blood-thinning properties such as Vitamin E, omega / fish oils, ginkgo biloba, ginseng, saw palmetto, bromelain..., as well as pomegranate (and some berry) juices, some fiber supplements, a higher intake of grains, alcohol, and oxalic
acid sources such as Swiss chards, rhubarb, spinach, beets, cocoa products..., which all have a lowering effect on calcium levels.

How can I tell if I need - or don't need extra Calcium?

If no resources are available to measure cellular calcium (blood or serum calcium levels cannot be used to determine dietary calcium requirements), one could supplement 300 mg - 500 mg of calcium two to three
times a day for a couple of days and evaluate the effect. (Studying calcium excess / deficiency symptoms
may help with the decision as well). If the muscle spasms improve or subside, one can assume that a calcium deficiency may have existed, and a safe, daily amount - sufficient to relieve the spasms, without overdosing - and the right type will have to be determined.
For instance, calcium carbonate is better for soft stools or higher stomach acid levels,
while calcium citrate is usually better for lower acid levels and those with a tendency
for constipation. Vitamin D3 requirements can be assessed through blood tests, where
its levels should be optimized to more than 75 nmol/L as well.
If muscle cramping gets worse when supplementing extra calcium, then high calcium levels may be suspect and extra co-factors may be required to make calcium more bioavailable. Remedies to choose from include a
higher daily intake of Vitamin C, Lecithin, Omega 3, Protein, Magnesium, and others. Increasing stomach

acid (ifhttp://www.acu-cell.com/dis-mus.html low) with supplements, or using lemon water with meals are other options.

A grinding noise when doing knee bends or squats can be another indication of excessive calcium retention.

Provided there is no injury or major joint degeneration, the grinding noise will disappear once calcium levels are normalized, which can also be confirmed with before and after cellular calcium measurements.

How does one prevent left-sided or right-sided Muscle Spasms?

If caused by a mineral deficiency, one-sided leg cramps or calf spasms can help with the decision of what to supplement, whereby the left side is generally indicative of extra Calcium requirements, while the right side is usually an indication of extra Magnesium being needed. If right-sided muscle cramps respond to calcium
(rather than magnesium or similar remedies), dehydration is suspect, and extra sodium or potassium may be
required instead.


When breastfed babies suffer from medical problems that are due to nutritional deficiencies, their symptoms
are commonly relieved when their nursing mother supplements extra amounts of these deficient nutrients. Muscle spasms are no exception, although thus far, I have only encountered left-sided leg cramps in those infants, with subsequent measurements confirming a calcium deficiency in both, the mother and the baby.

A Calcium + Magnesium combination (+ Vitamin D) may be necessary to get relief and prevent cramping when the left and right side is involved as a result of both minerals being deficient.


http://www.acu-cell.com/dis-mus.html


Think your misses might like that site, I love it! Just shows that there are huge variables to consider.
 
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longtimespur

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I was getting cramps in my right thigh but was warned I might do by my oncologist after my radio-theraphy for PC.
Was given some Quinonine (?) tablets but have since been told I shouldn't take them by my GP. Some problem with them.
 
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