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spursfan77

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«Ya see the problem with Spurs is that they have a good first 11, but no depth.»

-Every pundit

Its moved on from:

Spurs don't pay their players enough so they will lose them all
Spurs need to win something

Now its this rubbish when we've a squad where the vast majority are international footballers. We have depth.
 

mil1lion

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I would argue we dont have another Eriksen but other than that we have at least 2 players in every role.

Keepers - Lloris, Gazzaniga
Right back - Aurier, Trippier, KWP
Left back - Rose, Davies
Ballplaying centre back - Vertonghen, Foyth
Physical centre back - Alderweireld, Sanchez
Physical central midfielder - Dier, Wanyama, Sissoko
Ballplaying central midfielder - Winks, Dembele
Pacey/Tricky Wing forward - Moura, Son
Central attacking midfielder - Alli, Lamela
Playmaker - Eriksen
Centre forward - Kane, Llorente

It helps a lot to have similar players to cover when players are injured or need a rest. We have that balance this season (and last).
The main concerns are the players that get injured too often (Dembele, Wanyama, Rose) which feels like we often have 1 less in that position too much. The contract situation with Toby to solve in the summer (and Eriksen becoming a worry next season if he doesn't sign). Finally the lack of quality from Llorente compared to the quality cover in other positions.
That for me is the work needed in the summer. Another playmaker would be my main priority after losing out on Grealish and Barkley because I dont feel we have like for like cover for Eriksen.
 

ebzrascal

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I would argue we dont have another Eriksen but other than that we have at least 2 players in every role.

Keepers - Lloris, Gazzaniga
Right back - Aurier, Trippier, KWP
Left back - Rose, Davies
Ballplaying centre back - Vertonghen, Foyth
Physical centre back - Alderweireld, Sanchez
Physical central midfielder - Dier, Wanyama, Sissoko
Ballplaying central midfielder - Winks, Dembele
Pacey/Tricky Wing forward - Moura, Son
Central attacking midfielder - Alli, Lamela
Playmaker - Eriksen
Centre forward - Kane, Llorente

It helps a lot to have similar players to cover when players are injured or need a rest. We have that balance this season (and last).
The main concerns are the players that get injured too often (Dembele, Wanyama, Rose) which feels like we often have 1 less in that position too much. The contract situation with Toby to solve in the summer (and Eriksen becoming a worry next season if he doesn't sign). Finally the lack of quality from Llorente compared to the quality cover in other positions.
That for me is the work needed in the summer. Another playmaker would be my main priority after losing out on Grealish and Barkley because I dont feel we have like for like cover for Eriksen.

Winks does not replace Demeble in my view I think we need a replacement deep play-maker to dictate the game feed the attacking mids keep the ball think Dembele Modric Moutino Kroos etc... and we also need another creative midfielder to unlock defenses and create chances as competition for Eriksen
 

mil1lion

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Winks does not replace Demeble in my view I think we need a replacement deep play-maker to dictate the game feed the attacking mids keep the ball think Dembele Modric Moutino Kroos etc... and we also need another creative midfielder to unlock defenses and create chances as competition for Eriksen
The trouble is what can we afford? A replacement for Dembele would cost a fortune if we're talking an upgrade on Winks. I think for ballplayer midfielders in that part of the pitch we can dip into the academy. Winks is already a quality player who will only get better, and we have Skipp and Onomah coming through (most likely Skipp will make it).

My concern is money available given the stadium build. It's going to be difficult upgrading this squad with limited funds. I also worry we're not going to get a lot for Rose, Wanyama and Dembele given their injury history. Also Llorente and Vorm aren't going to fetch much if anything. So replacing them on a limited budget will be tough.

This is the big challenge for Daniel Levy. It's alright people saying we need to upgrade on these players, but considering the cost of replacements versus return on sale, it's not that simple. We are going to have to be selective on signings and dip into the academy. Maybe convert KWP to left back (like Ashley Young was) or sell a right back to fund a top left back. Maybe get an all action centre midfielder to replace Wanyama with someone more versatile. Or possibly Foyth to cover for Dier as well as playing centre back (just as Dier covers at the back).

In a fantasy world getting a Rose, Wanyama and Dembele of 2 years ago would be amazing. In reality it's unlikely and we have to be more creative instead.
 

Neon_Knight_

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«Ya see the problem with Spurs is that they have a good first 11, but no depth.»

-Every pundit
Yet earlier in the season, just after Poch had been publicly negative about the lack of summer signings and loads of our key players were injured, a pundit was saying "Pochettino has chosen to rotate his squad significantly, which just goes to show that they aren't lacking depth."
I think this was while Alli, Eriksen, Dembele, Rose, Vertonghen, Aurier, Wanyama and Lloris were injured.
 

Neon_Knight_

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The trouble is what can we afford? A replacement for Dembele would cost a fortune if we're talking an upgrade on Winks. I think for ballplayer midfielders in that part of the pitch we can dip into the academy. Winks is already a quality player who will only get better, and we have Skipp and Onomah coming through (most likely Skipp will make it).

My concern is money available given the stadium build. It's going to be difficult upgrading this squad with limited funds. I also worry we're not going to get a lot for Rose, Wanyama and Dembele given their injury history. Also Llorente and Vorm aren't going to fetch much if anything. So replacing them on a limited budget will be tough.

This is the big challenge for Daniel Levy. It's alright people saying we need to upgrade on these players, but considering the cost of replacements versus return on sale, it's not that simple. We are going to have to be selective on signings and dip into the academy. Maybe convert KWP to left back (like Ashley Young was) or sell a right back to fund a top left back. Maybe get an all action centre midfielder to replace Wanyama with someone more versatile. Or possibly Foyth to cover for Dier as well as playing centre back (just as Dier covers at the back).

In a fantasy world getting a Rose, Wanyama and Dembele of 2 years ago would be amazing. In reality it's unlikely and we have to be more creative instead.

It looks like Winks is the immediate replacement for Dembele, so we then need backup for him, rather than a direct replacement. It could be that Sissoko plays a lot more if Dembele leaves.
We'll probably have to rely on relatively unproven young signings to become understudies for Davies and Dier, if/when Rose and Wanyama leave. We already have Foyth waiting in the wings at CB.

Although we certainly can't splash the cash like our direct rivals, I honestly don't think we are limited to a £0 net spend either. I tend to believe the reports that we simply didn't manage to pull off any of the signings we wanted for the right fee.
We spent about £16m in 2017/18. If you look at our 2017/18 activity (below), without selling Walker (the only key player to leave), we could realistically have signed everyone apart from Sanchez. The kind of fees that we spent on Moura, Aurier, Llorente and Foyth are realistic going forwards.

Irrespective of funds, we are going to struggle to sign a top striker as backup to Kane, because top players want regular playing time. If we do need to replace Llorente in the summer, the combined sale of him and Janssen should be adequate to enable us to fund any of our realistic targets (realistic in footballing, not financial, terms).

If Toby does leave for £25m in the summer (I'm more optimistic than most that he'll stay), Sanchez and Foyth will most likely have improved by August 2019 and £25m not insignificant (over double what we spent on Foyth). Add in some funds from the sale of a fringe player (e.g. Nkoudou) and we can probably afford another Sanchez type deal.

I also think we're coming very close to the point where CCV, Onomah and KWP will be sold on if they don;t make a real impact on the first team. Not just because we need to think about upgrading them, but because they'll be keen to play regular first team football and progress their careers.

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