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Is it creativity we lack?

defoe18

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I know the defence is rubbish this season (massive under statement) but are we simply not creating enough up front, yes we are scoring but hardly any goals are coming from long shots (freekicks sometimes via bale) and we often just try to break down the right, then when that doesnt work, go back and try breaking down the left, we only ever seem to go side to side.

anyways thats just my views:shrug:

thoughts?
 

PYiddy

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dear god.....................................................................................................................................................................................................................................
 

SpursManChris

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Come on the guy's got a point. Agreed to an extent. Our up front play cannot be faulted, we are creating plenty, fluffing them alot, but scoring well none the less. But we do seem UTTERLY incompetent of scoring long range screamers that you hear of each week from other teams. Our players must be affraid of having a crack from distance or something but I don't know why. The fact is, these are the sorts of goals that can win games in the dying seconds... recent example anyone? Brum maybe against us? Larsson? When that goal went in and I had overcome the anger (Not shock, I saw it coming from a mile off) I sat there and asked myself "Who in our team could I see score a goal like that" and the reason I couldn't think of many is because we don't even LOOK like scoring them, no one really has a go. Zokora has a go all the time but we all know his sheer patheticness when it comes to shooting. I mean really, I just cannot understand how a professional footballer (even though shooting might not be their specialty) can shoot that inaccurately. Anyway, players like Jenas, Hudd, Berba, Keane have all scored from distance before, but this season we haven't seen a thing. I think Boateng won't be afraid to have cracks, we've seen him have a few goes this season. Malbranque too, he's not afraid either. As for free kicks, well I feel we will start to see Bale get them in, came so close against brum but that goalie spent most of his nights prior at home watching Bale freekick DVD's and predicted him a mile off. Jenas is useless with them, with the exception of once or twice. Berba I think is useful with them, haven't seen much other than against spam.
 

tooey

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Its not creativity we lack its the bollox to take chances in the final 3rd sometimes..
 

joey55

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I think our deffensive problems are perhaps ensuring we as fans put all our concentration in one area. When we play 442, at times this season we've equally dropped points due to a lack of creativity. Yes we lost to Sunderland becaue of a late goal, but we bossed the game and had most of the posssession, yet we created very little. The same can be said of the Everton game. We lost becasue of a deflected FK and Gardner going to sleep, but we still dominated the game, but again without creating anything. Against Wham, we didn't create anything really either. The first half we seemed to be in control, but we didn't do anything with our possession. We tend to be very neat and tidy on the ball, but don't move quick enough to stretch the opposition and create space for our attacking players. Even against Aalborg, when we played 442 in the first half, we didn't look dangerous. So yes, our defence has caused massive problems and we've scored lots of goals, but arguably we should have scored lots more goals, to the point our deffensive problems weren't so evident. It sounds silly to say this about a team that has scored 26 goals in 15 games, but we really should have scored more. It isn't as if we concede goals becase of our attacking style of play. We rarely seem to get caught on the break with too many men forward. We concede goals because of stupid errors. We actually give away the 5th lowest amount of chances in the Prem (I don't know if that is still the case, but it was upto the Blackburn game). So in terms of team set up, we are a very solid unit. It's when the individual pieces of that unit get tested, things turn to shit. There is an agrument to suggest that with a bit more creativity in CM and more solid individuals at the back, we could have had an outside crack at the title this season. If you check our results over the last 2 years when our quality players have been fit (ie King, Carrick and Bebratov), it actually supports this agrument.
 

defoe18

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Come on the guy's got a point. Agreed to an extent. Our up front play cannot be faulted, we are creating plenty, fluffing them alot, but scoring well none the less. But we do seem UTTERLY incompetent of scoring long range screamers that you hear of each week from other teams. Our players must be affraid of having a crack from distance or something but I don't know why. The fact is, these are the sorts of goals that can win games in the dying seconds... recent example anyone? Brum maybe against us? Larsson? When that goal went in and I had overcome the anger (Not shocked, I saw it coming from a mile off) I sat there and asked myself "Who in our team could I see score a goal like that" and the reason I couldn't think of many is because we don't even LOOK like scoring them, no one really has a go. Zokora has a go all the time but we all know his sheer patheticness when it comes to shooting. I mean really, I just cannot understand how a professional footballer (even though shooting might not be their specialty) can shoot that inaccurately. Anyway, players like Jenas, Hudd, Berba, Keane all have scored from distance before, but this season we haven't seen a thing. I think Boateng won't be afraid to have cracks, we've seen him have a few goes this season. Malbranque too, he's not afraid either. As for free kicks, well I feel we will start to see Bale get them in, came so close against brum but that goalie spent most of his nights prior at home watching Bale freekick DVD's and predicted him a mile off. Jenas is useless with them, with the exception of once or twice. Berba I think is useful with them, haven't seen much other than against spam.


thank you! thats exactly what i mean!
 

defoe18

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Thank you Joey55! somebody else saying im not the only one thinking this
 

SpursManChris

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They're great for entertainment too, screamers and freekicks. 6 - 12 yarders and tap ins get boring after a while. They can win games and the entertainment value is just a bonus.
 

tooey

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Fuck it from now on im going to do a scouser with gerrard and everytime jenas gets the ball shout "shoot". For once i want to see spurs on goal of the month!
 

yiddotilidie

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But you're contradicting yourself.

CREATING a chance by 'breaking down the right' shows more creativity than a goal scored by a 'long shot' or a freekick!!
 

defoe18

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It's not creative when we do it every time we have the ball!
 

teddyboy

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aren't we like the 3rd highest goal scoring team in the league :shrug:

I don't think creativity is the issue, its 30yard screamers and bad defending IMHO

:hump:
 

idlepete

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Well, if he's any sort of coach Poyet should be able to teach us how to score more from any position. He could shape to shoot from anywhere, that fella. As far as long range goals are concerned, theoretically the players most likely to score them are those with the best technique, ie. Berbs, Hudd & Bale. We'll see some soon enough I reckon.
 

joey55

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aren't we like the 3rd highest goal scoring team in the league :shrug:

I don't think creativity is the issue, its 30yard screamers and bad defending IMHO

:hump:

This is an interesting point. Are we actually creating any more than we are stopping goals? I think our good finishing is perhaps masking the fact we aren't creating as much as we should. And likewise our poor defending is masking the fact we actually set up as a deffensive team unit very well. We have scored the 3rd highest amount of goals, but I wonder if we have actually created the 3rd highest amount a chances. I suspect not. We've condeded 3rd highest amount of goals, but as I've already pointed out, we actually gave away just the 5th lowest amount of chances. This suggests we have very good strikers and very poor defenders. No shit! It also suggests that the team has been set up and coached superbly. Again, as I've said before if you check out our results when our genuine quality players were fit, we average points, that would mean over a season we get 80+, and wouldn't be too far off a title challenge. The top 4 are never without 3 or 4 top quality players and we rarely have more than 1 on the pitch. When we have just 2 either King/CArrick or King/Berbatov results show we can match the best sides. If we had all 3, we'd have had a serious spine to our team.

In short, we are obviously scoring alot and conceding alot, but are we actually creating anymore chances than we are giving away?
 

Kurtzen

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Lacking in creativity is symptomatic of an overarching lack of footballing brain across our midfield. Poor vision defensively and offensively. Conceding the multitude of goals we do from distance(apart from Robinson's poor footwork/preparation) reflects not just an inability to close down, but more importantly an inability to read the play as it's building.

Most of the current 'prospects', with the exception of Zokora, appear unable to canvas ambiguity? Zonal defence does not mean your responsibility stops on the imaginary line. Our shame at set pieces only magnifies this.

To claim an improvement? I imagine that BMJ/Hughton laboured long and hard at resolving these long standing issues. However, running up against a brickwall in the form of how limited the players are in terms of processing information and applying it gauranteed that the harder they tried the more shambolic (confused?) the situation became. No wonder there has been a tide of comments attributing Ramos' improvement to 'simple instructions'.

Unfortunately I doubt 'simple' is a satisfactory resolution. How easily people overlook our attrocious away record of the past two years. Pressed, we resort to Wimbeldon FC. Pressed, our midfield dissolves into confusion. Solution? Realise we are hamstrung by the current pretenders. Hire a psychologist to do the scouting/recruitment, look for some brains before the illusion of finesse?

Start looking at what the clowns do when they don't have the ball....and whatever you do don't ask them to think. Ughh.
 
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