Is Levy getting blamed for Lewis mistakes?

[Archibald&Crooks]

Regarding the bit in bold, the quote was from nearly 2 years ago now and, given how the transfer fees have jumped even further in that time, I guarantee it's not true now.

What, like bet both your balls, your house, wife, pets and subbuteo set guarantee?

Nah, don't believe you

 

[eddiev14]

What, like bet both your balls, your house, wife, pets and subbuteo set guarantee?

Nah, don't believe you

Just the wife and we have a deal...

 

[vegassd]

Hes actually said this twice also, coupled with that meeting with the supporters where they said about ticket prices needed if we wanted to sign top players.

Im just confused though as Ive been told theres no evidence.

I think where a lot of this gets murky is the fact that none of us really know what's going on behind the scenes - and rightly so. All we can do is put forward opinions and potential explanations, and when those things start being proclaimed as facts or "it surely must be..." etc. the whole conversation becomes a bit nuts!

You could argue that Levy would never come out and say "we wanted X but he was too expensive" and I think the Moutinho deal in particular sounded like one AVB wanted but didn't pay enough for. It might be that he's telling a bare-faced lie (many will assume that because it's the simplest option) or maybe he means that the transfer fee alone has not been the problem, it's been a combo of things. It would be so satisfying if we can land a big fish in the summer to put a bit of the media BS to bed.

And I love the point A&C is making. We all crave these big money international superstars but at the same time eulogise about Kane, Alli and even Winks as if they are the second coming! If you were a complete football virgin, attended one Spurs game and were then asked to draw up a transfer policy you would likely put an emphasis on cheap, young, home grown/academy players... a stark contrast to what is deemed being a "big club" these days.

 

[wrd]

I think where a lot of this gets murky is the fact that none of us really know what's going on behind the scenes - and rightly so. All we can do is put forward opinions and potential explanations, and when those things start being proclaimed as facts or "it surely must be..." etc. the whole conversation becomes a bit nuts!

You could argue that Levy would never come out and say "we wanted X but he was too expensive" and I think the Moutinho deal in particular sounded like one AVB wanted but didn't pay enough for. It might be that he's telling a bare-faced lie (many will assume that because it's the simplest option) or maybe he means that the transfer fee alone has not been the problem, it's been a combo of things. It would be so satisfying if we can land a big fish in the summer to put a bit of the media BS to bed.

And I love the point A&C is making. We all crave these big money international superstars but at the same time eulogise about Kane, Alli and even Winks as if they are the second coming! If you were a complete football virgin, attended one Spurs game and were then asked to draw up a transfer policy you would likely put an emphasis on cheap, young, home grown/academy players... a stark contrast to what is deemed being a "big club" these days.

I don't think A&C is making that point it was more Levy making that point but regardless I think we all prefer seeing the likes of Winks and Kane make it through so I agree with you on that. The point I'm making is that they're things that Levy factually said in live television interviews, also at the supporters trusts meetings which now appear to be flat out lies. Now I understand things change and the stadium situation has changed, however when you make extremely bold claims such as saying it won't affect transfer fee's, That ticket prices are the way they are if we want signings then I think it's only right that you come out and tell us the truth. I can accept that things fuck up but I'd rather just be told the truth that the stadium has fucked transfer plans if that is the case. If they hadn't made such bold claims then they wouldn't need to address the issue.

 

[buckley]

it is my belief that first Abramovich then Man City then PSG then Juventus all started to inflate Prices to the extent that other clubs cannot compete not only fees but wages also .
These clubs especially Chelsea and City go around the world and at home scooping up the best young talent and sign them because other clubs cannot afford to pay the relative huge amounts of money to these boys.
It is in fact farming = train them =sell them = if one is extra special keep them= when you sell them don't allow them to go to a rival.
But it seems that some are wising up and saying that you Chelsea/City etc are not going to control my career and note Jayden Sancho ; Odoi; Salanke so good on them .
Are you seriously asking any owner let alone Lewis to climb aboard this ever spiralling cash controlled madness.
All clubs might have to accept that you can't beat someone who has a bigger wallet than you by outspending them because therein lies bankruptcy .You have to do things your way which is finding the cheaper gems and concentrate on you youth development and stellar management and even with this you have to hope that as soon as the mega rich clubs bat their eyes at one of your star players he does not jump ship and in this case all you can do is get the best price like in the case of Berbatov;Bale:Carrick;Modric;Walker;Sherringham I could go on but whats the point money talks.
To surmise we are punching above our weight and Levy and Lewis are doing the best they can with the tools they have.

 

[vegassd]

I don't think A&C is making that point it was more Levy making that point but regardless I think we all prefer seeing the likes of Winks and Kane make it through so I agree with you on that.

Yep... I know it was Levy who said it but A&C highlighted it in a humorous way so I was just throwing some love!

The point I'm making is that they're things that Levy factually said in live television interviews, also at the supporters trusts meetings which now appear to be flat out lies. Now I understand things change and the stadium situation has changed, however when you make extremely bold claims such as saying it won't affect transfer fee's, That ticket prices are the way they are if we want signings then I think it's only right that you come out and tell us the truth. I can accept that things fuck up but I'd rather just be told the truth that the stadium has fucked transfer plans if that is the case. If they hadn't made such bold claims then they wouldn't need to address the issue.

This ties in to what I said before... that we don't know everything that is happening behind the scenes and that it's very "muddy" to make assumptions and then claim that there are "flat out lies" etc. I know that this is just an internet forum that has zero bearing on the world, but I still don't see the value in turning assumptions into accusations myself.

An additional factor is that Levy is a serious person doing a reasonably complex job. If he makes a statement as simple as "it doesn't affect transfer fees" or "we haven't found a player we can't afford" then of course there is a huge amount of nuance in there. He will know the ins and outs of what he means but thousands of fans will come up with thousands of slightly different interpretations, and our interpretations are all from a position of limited knowledge and experience.

I'm not making excuses for the guy and I'm not having a dig at you by the way. I just think there's a vast gap between what is concise enough to work in a TV interview or press conference and the reality of how the world works.

 

[wrd]

Yep... I know it was Levy who said it but A&C highlighted it in a humorous way so I was just throwing some love!


This ties in to what I said before... that we don't know everything that is happening behind the scenes and that it's very "muddy" to make assumptions and then claim that there are "flat out lies" etc. I know that this is just an internet forum that has zero bearing on the world, but I still don't see the value in turning assumptions into accusations myself.

An additional factor is that Levy is a serious person doing a reasonably complex job. If he makes a statement as simple as "it doesn't affect transfer fees" or "we haven't found a player we can't afford" then of course there is a huge amount of nuance in there. He will know the ins and outs of what he means but thousands of fans will come up with thousands of slightly different interpretations, and our interpretations are all from a position of limited knowledge and experience.

I'm not making excuses for the guy and I'm not having a dig at you by the way. I just think there's a vast gap between what is concise enough to work in a TV interview or press conference and the reality of how the world works.

No I know you're not, I did choose my words carefully though and say appear to be lies, in that, I don't think it was intentional to hoodwink the fans but I feel the lack of communication is damaging the relationship between the club and fans and I don't think they need to come out and explain every transfer but an admittance of "yes we made that statement but due to the circumstances in the stadium build changing this is no longer the case" I just feel like we have been left in the dark on that front. I'm not calling him a liar, I'm simply pointing out that when you say one thing and another happens then it can appear to feel untruthful and I'd prefer honesty even if it's not the new I want to hear.

I appreciate that you haven't gone steaming in calling me a Levy hater as I'm far from, this current situation is unprecedented and as frustrating as it is our current predicament, I am a big fan of us building new infrastructure which will stand for many years to come and appreciate the ambition on that side of things.

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

If you subtract Poch from that equation, it would look a lot different wouldn't it. He is literally saving the blushes of our beloved chairman.

Levy wouldn't have stood a chance in the market of the past 4-5 years. Without Poch, we'd be somewhere below where Everton are currently.

Who chased & subsequently employed the manager that is saving Levy's blushes?

Who is it that the manager is literally constantly praising to the worlds press, due to a mutual understanding & love towards the entire Tottenham Hotspur project, excellent working relationship and tireless work ethic, resulting in sleepless nights whilst trying to get the stadium sorted?

Who is it that has (somehow, seemingly) convinced the manager to not only rebuff the attention of clubs such as Real Madrid & Man Utd, but also sign a long contract of committal, not long followed by comments about wanting to be manager of this club for 20 years or retire here.


Yeah, you're right. Poch is really saving Levy's blushes.

 

[vegassd]

No I know you're not, I did choose my words carefully though and say appear to be lies, in that, I don't think it was intentional to hoodwink the fans but I feel the lack of communication is damaging the relationship between the club and fans and I don't think they need to come out and explain every transfer but an admittance of "yes we made that statement but due to the circumstances in the stadium build changing this is no longer the case" I just feel like we have been left in the dark on that front. I'm not calling him a liar, I'm simply pointing out that when you say one thing and another happens then it can appear to feel untruthful and I'd prefer honesty even if it's not the new I want to hear.

I'm with you on that, although maybe with the caveat that I wouldn't expect somebody in that position at any company to make ongoing public statements clarifying their previous public statements. I think when that sort of mentality sets in to the observers it makes the people at the top stop making those statements at all.

I'm hopeful that we do get a bit of clarity on everything once the stadium finally opens. I can certainly imagine that until that happens there will be financial and probably some legal uncertainty at the club, so keeping tongues bitten may be a good move. And the best way to answer any worries about potential player spending would be to go buy a super star. Here's hoping!

 

[wrd]

Found this interesting, thought he was pretty fair overall looking at several factors. Can't argue that we have improved massively under ENIC but I don't think the numbers lie and for me their objective seems to be to make a profit rather than see the club have on-field success.

 

[am_yisrael_chai]

ENIC just leave, stop milking our club

 

[wrd]

The effects of the summer wouldn't be felt until later on in the season, if anything it's actually happened slightly earlier than expected. It was poorly handled, lack of forward thinking leaving us with minimal options of how to approach our squad list. The worst fears were that if we didn't add some quality that our manager and top players would decide to move on and I think now we are basically waiting in fear that that'll will come to fruition. The best we can hope for that this season feels like it didn't happen and we get a do-over in the summer where we actually move into the stadium and we add quality to be able to compete on multiple fronts to a higher standard (which is what this season was meant to be).

 

[Graysonti]

Shysters the pair of them.

Money their god.

There project bores me - won’t spend another penny on their shit.

We only wanted a Grealish at TW and couldn’t even deliver that.

 

[mrlilywhite]

ENIC just leave, stop milking our club

Ahmen to that! Just wish it was that bloody easy - sick of them and their planned fuck ups!

 

[yido16]

Alll we hear it’s hard to do transfers, but fuck me, 200 other clubs all buying, fucking terrible we can’t buy players, this squad is not good enough to progress. ENIC might as well sell up if they don’t invest, sucked this club dry

 

[Deleted member 27855]

I was under the impression that all Lewis does is chill on his luxury mega yacht in the Caribbean, counting his billions, drinking mai tai's and banging supermodels all day long. That Levy runs Spurs day to day operations all by himself. Am I wrong in this?

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

I was under the impression that all Lewis does is chill on his luxury mega yacht in the Caribbean, counting his billions, drinking mai tai's and banging supermodels all day long. That Levy runs Spurs day to day operations all by himself. Am I wrong in this?

Yes, it's Pina Colada's

 

[SirNiNyHotspur]

Need to start a thread is Poch getting blamed for ENIC's mistakes, I don't buy the illogical Trumpesque ENIC PR stuff coming out, they have clearly dropped the ball (again) and they will continue to do so as long as they have their followers...

 

[dtxspurs]

Need to start a thread is Poch getting blamed for ENIC's mistakes, I don't buy the illogical Trumpesque ENIC PR stuff coming out, they have clearly dropped the ball (again) and they will continue to do so as long as they have their followers...

Anyone blaming Poch for anyone of this is a moron.

 

[buckley]

There is plenty on here that are supporting the wrong club and if you want the club to splash the cash they don't have you are in for a long wait and when are you going to realise that City ; Chelsea: Juventussg are able to spend money they don't generate thru normal trading as there Oligarchs or oil sheiks will underwrite any overspend by just writing off the debt .
We are not along with most clubs are not afforded that luxury and your angst is being whipped up by the ill informed or deliberate misleadings of the TV media.WE will probably never financially compete with RealMadrid ; Barca: Man unt as they are uber rich .
SO if I was you lot not satisfied with the way the club is run you would be better clearing off to support one of the mega rich clubs because you are never going to be satisfied with spurs as it is run now but you could always come back to support us if some filthy rich bugger buys us and is willing to spunk his money.