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It's official - I'm fed up with Harry.

2bearis2do

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I've had a long think after yesterday's crap result, a long think about tactics, starting line ups and about Harry and it's official - He's doing my head in -
He hasn't got a clue what to do with a big talented squad. He's better off with 18 players and 8-10 regular starters by default. Less decisions for him to make and a group of players who know their roles week in week out. He´s out of his depth and at this moment in time, his selection thought process is as twitchy and irreverent as his post match interviews.

He wants to play 4-5-1 because he has got VdV and therefore does everything he can to accommodate him at the expense of any good team combinations that have developed over the last year. And then he signs that off by playing Crouch up front on his own, Bale at Left back and Corluka at centre back in order to play his 3 most creative players - Modric VdV and Lennon- And worse still - He's brought Jenas back into the team as a regular.

I've given him the benefit of the doubt on numerous occasions due, in part, to him getting us into the CLge. But he looks like a fish out of water these days, clueless, too many good players at his disposal and too many games for his little barrow-boy mind to juggle.

And then to listen to his post match interview last night was to add fuel to the fed up fire. He talks so much post-match nonsense, it's hard to believe he was at the same game. One of those days Harry, their goalie had a blinder, a game of two halves Harry, nah, we just couldn't break em down (again), I fought they played particularly well (again) Yeah we've got a lot of games coming up.

It's official I'm fed up with him.

His team selection and performances in the PL all season have been on the whole pish poor. The striker department just doesn't exist this year, the final third has no linkage, creativity or element of surprise. The back four hasn't been the same for two games running. nor I guess has the midfield or the system he employs. So how can he build partnerships and team performances? How can players develop in their roles, if their roles are constantly being changed? The good work the team put in last season is rapidly being undone by the rudderless leadership coming from old Harry himself.

Harry was quoted as saying that the best position for VdV would be behind a FRONT TWO. His quote. So why hasn't he tried that? 4-3-3 or 3-5-2 or a million other ways to make that work for VdV but not 4-5-1 with Crouch up front on his own. It's painful to watch and it's painful to read the team sheet before games - especially against teams Harry underestimates.

Other teams like West Ham, despite a poor start have stuck with it and become better, they looked like a team yesterday as did West Brom the week before and Wigan the week before that. We just look like a bunch of over paid pre-Madona's who believe they have the three points in the bag before the starting whistle.

He needs to get back to basics and find that winning formula pretty damn quickly and stick with it, interchange players for like players as and when form dips or injuries prevail and stick with that formula, changing it only as and when necessary, not every game. It's like he's still in pre-season mode trying desperately to find a place for VDV in the team at the expense of common sense.

I'm fed up with him, but of course will stick by him, he´s got us this far and deserves a chance to make it work at this level but he's got to pull his finger out, get back to basics, be bold with his selections even if that means leaving some outstanding quality on the bench. If players aren't performing Corluka, Lennon, Crouch - then drop them. Work on the key partnerships in the team. central defence, central midfield, the flanks and of course upfront. Has there been a game this season where he has played two up front who can play together? He can't keep giving players like Pav, Gio and Keane bit parts with 10 minutes left on the clock expecting them to right the wrongs of the previous 80minutes that he´s set up. It's frustrating to see so much talent in the Spurs squad and yet not a whiff (OK Man City first half - Spurs of last season, no VdV) of that talent gelling together as a team.

He needs to take a good look at himself and the team and make serious adjustments pretty dam quickly before the season disintegrates and the Spurs faithful start getting on his back. But we're 6 games in and the signs are not great.

In answer to Kellogs - what would I do?

(Taking into account no King and no Dawson, no Defoe - and the poor form of Corluka and Lennon -I'd do the following)

Gomes
Kaboul, Bassong, BAE
Hutton, Hudd, Modric Bale
VDV
Pav, Keane

I'm second-guessing we'll be up for it on Wednesday and put in a good performance and this post will sound anxious and pointless. But the truth is we're under performing in the Premier league big time. That is our bread and butter and Harry needs to find his best team on a Saturday and stop tinkering like a garage mechanic at every given opportunity or all the good work from last season will simply become a memory. The CL will take of itself.
 

oultima

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Excellent article, well said, almost said everything which I have in mind.

I do of course thanked Harry for rescuing us 2 seasons ago and pushing us to top 4 last season. But I suppose a lot of us could see that is as far as he can bring us to. Like what you have said, he is good for managing a small team, ie Portsmouth where he do not have to rotate his players for so many games, and he would not have the privilege of having so many international in the team.

Look at this season, did we really have a game where we have convincingly won it? NO. We were in fact convincingly outplayed by teams which before playing us, had not won a single game this season (Wigan and Spammers). Against us, they played like they were teams in the champions league.

I believe what we are lacking now is a big, strong and aggressive forward in the mould of Drogba( which of cos won't be so easily to find.). Look at Crouch yesterday, to say he play badly was an understatement, he was horrendous, I suppose he touched the ball less than 5 times.

All in all, what I wish to say here is we should not take CL as a priority, lets be honest, do we really believe we could win with the likes of Chelsea, Manuare, Barca or real? We should tried our best in the tournament, but PL should always be our top priority as it is where we should be aiming.
 

Oscar2

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Its good to see the ole Spurs faithful turn on Harry so quickly. He saved us from relegation, got us into the CL and yes results have been poor but give the guy a break. Ten minutes ago he was our saviour, he was everything and a packet of crisps and now all of a sudden he is a small time team manager. Maybe our over paid players need to start performing to their so called capabilities. Maybe if our injury list was not as bad as it is Harry could field his strongest team. We are only three points off fourth spot and I bet the fourth spot fight out will be as tight as ever. Lets not do what we always do and call for the managers head, lets get behind him and give him the chance to prove what he can do. If at that point he cannot take us any further I am sure Mr Levy will do what he feels is right for the club.

I am sure time will tell. In the meantime lets whack Twente and move on
 

JimmyG2

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You undermine your argument by taking a ritual swipe at Jenas who is in the team because he is playing well . Do you want players to be picked on form or not?

Harry's fault has been that he isn't flexible enough tactically and I would argue the opposite, he tends to play the same players and only changes when he is forced to.

This season he has jettisoned the Carling Cup in some style by playing too many inexperienced players and arranging them in odd combinations. Never a pretty sight.
Three defensive midfielders at home?

Now he seems to be going for broke on the Champions' League at the expense of the Premiership. A policy doomed to failure.
He has to find combinations of players that work in the different competitions, home and away, and play players in their best positions. Bale in midfield for a start.

Generally I agree with you, the charge sheet against Harry is growing but he has bought himself time by the success last year and quite right too. But the goodwill will rapidly run out.
His greatest strength, the man management, doesn't seem to be working either as one or two performances this year including yesterday, seem spiritless.

Where is he going to get this 'clue' from. He needs some tactical input if we are going to cope at this level.

I assume you mean 'primadonas' although I quite like 'pre-Madonnas'
That's ladies BC I presume.
 

ultimateloner

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I think HR did the right thing today experimenting. He has at least found out that Crouch can't play alone upfront and Bale is more useful to us at LM than LB, even though this may mean dropping either VDV or Modric.

I can't understand how you (author) seem to think that the coach should know prior to a match his winning combination - he only finds out through matches/experience and thats what early games are for. Unless you are a team with little changes (e.g. Arsenal) it's unlikely that the combination is obvious.

Other big teams are losing points as well for the same reason. chill out.
 

2bearis2do

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You undermine your argument by taking a ritual swipe at Jenas who is in the team because he is playing well . Do you want players to be picked on form or not?

I assume you mean 'primadonas' although I quite like 'pre-Madonnas'
That's ladies BC I presume.

Two fair points.

JJ has had two decent games this year and I guess Harry liked what he saw (and what we saw surprised most of us!) But 5 years of JJ performing well once in a while is not enough to convince me to make him a starting regular at the expense of a decent starting formation.

My point being he squeezed JJ into a 5 man midfield yesterday and surprise surprise he was anonymous.

The problem with Spurs playing a 5 man midfield (that functions as such and not like the flexible wing back 5 across the middle and 3 at the back) is that it suffocates the space that players like Hudd, Modric & VdV need to be creative in. There is less room for angles and triangles and no one knows their role. (JJ would work in a 4 man midfield, but would be nowhere near my first choice)

Your second point - A quality schoolboy error from the bear - but a fine new-age definition from yer good self!
 

2bearis2do

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I think HR did the right thing today experimenting. He has at least found out that Crouch can't play alone upfront and Bale is more useful to us at LM than LB, even though this may mean dropping either VDV or Modric.

I can't understand how you (author) seem to think that the coach should know prior to a match his winning combination - he only finds out through matches/experience and thats what early games are for. Unless you are a team with little changes (e.g. Arsenal) it's unlikely that the combination is obvious.

Other big teams are losing points as well for the same reason. chill out.

I think our striking dilemma has been apparent for 33 league games now!
Simple facts read in the last 33 league games
Goals scored
Crouch 6
Defoe 5
Pav 6

And despite this we had Modric and Bale chipping in at the end of last season to get us to the CLge.

Both scored goals because, Bale was playing Left Mid and Modric was beside Huddlestone. So that system worked. But now VdV has arrived all those learnings seem to have been thrown out of the window as Harry desperately tries to find a system to accommodate VdV.

We got to the Clge last season because of our blinding start to the season, because we were prepared and because Harry knew his best starting X1 and had it working in pre-season.

To suggest that a manager should be allowed the first 6 games of a new season to experiment just seems a bit daft to me and very costly in terms of points gained.
 

Lilbaz

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Yes we should sack him and get Ramos back. At least he knew how to get into a relegation battle.
 

millsey

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yes harrys a disgrace.we are in meltdown.what a fucking JOKE!.its the premier league for fuck sake.we have injurys to 4 of 5 of our best players.would we have won yesterday with dawson king and ekkoto at the back and defoe up from with crouch.i would think yes.and last year we had wilson on form and lennon.its not happening but its not harrys fault.why dont we go back to the last 15 years where weve done fuck all! how are liverpool doing,or everton.how did arsenal do yesterday!judge him after 38 games like last year.what a joke post this is,you lost a game and the whole worlds going to collapse!
 

Azrael

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I think the OP is the usual "few bad results panic" that usually sets in during these runs.

However, I have to say that whilst I think that he needs to be given a chance, for me the jury was, is and probably will continue to be out where Harry is concerned. My biggest fear was that we would see the same as previous Redknapp managed teams, namely that he does really well in the first one or two seasons he's at a place and then cracks start to show qand the results are not as strong.

I do think there is some argument to saying he's out of his depth. he hasn't managed at this level, and he hasn't coped with significant fixture congestion. Its more than arguable that he's finding he way just as much as the players are and that managers like Ancelotti, Ferguson, Wenger and Mancini have more expereince with that fixture mix than Harry does.

I also wonder if Harry's heart is in it as much as when he joined. Comments like those he makes regarding the England manager's job make me wonder sometimes.

I hope and pray that I have gotten things totally wrong, so I will reserve proper judgement until season's end so that we have an idea of eaxctly how much further he's been able to take us.
 

Azrael

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yes harrys a disgrace.we are in meltdown.what a fucking JOKE!.its the premier league for fuck sake.we have injurys to 4 of 5 of our best players.would we have won yesterday with dawson king and ekkoto at the back and defoe up from with crouch.i would think yes.and last year we had wilson on form and lennon.its not happening but its not harrys fault.why dont we go back to the last 15 years where weve done fuck all! how are liverpool doing,or everton.how did arsenal do yesterday!judge him after 38 games like last year.what a joke post this is,you lost a game and the whole worlds going to collapse!
Why is it always blasphemous to question a manager is the tactics are poor and games are lost? Nobody is predicting doom.

Tottenham Hotspur is bigger than Harry Redknapp. Spurs fans do not care about Redknapp, they care about their team. If they feel that the team is being mismanaged, right or wrong, why can't they say it? Why is that not allowed?
 

guate

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Statistics show that 'Arry's been our best manager for quite a long time and I for one believe he deserves more support from us fickle fans.
There is no doubt in my mind the juggling act of weekly Premier league games along with mid-week Champions league and other cup games is far different from what we've been used to in the past and requires more tactical nous than a team only involved, as we were last season, basically with the Premier league and the odd cup game.
I'm quite sure the other EPL managers involved in the Champions league have found similar problems to what 'Arry is experiencing right now but a) they had strong squads to start with when they started participating and b) they've learnt from their mistakes and their squads today are more comfortable with the different challenges from fighting on 4 fronts at the same time.
Whenever we lose it hurts, especially against teams like Arse anal on Tuesday and now the Spammers (Wigan too) but injuries haven't helped and right from the beginning of this season 'Arry has not had available the players I'm sure he would like to have choosen.
It also appears true he seems to be shuffling the team around to accomodate VDV (which from what we've seen so far of VDV is not a bad thing) however in his case there was no pre-season so it's still a work in progress, consequently the inconsistent results we've been having.
What would be dissapointing though is if 'Arry were to give preference to the Champions league which I don't think he has done so far as the teams he's named, with the exception of the Arse anal game, were all perfectly capable of getting the job done.
 

tttcowan

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This must be some kind of joke?

A few shit results and suddenly harry is clueless? WTF? It's September for christs sake and we've been ridled with injuries.

...I wish people weren't so fickle, have you forgotten what he's achieved the last two seasons? Did you seriously think it was ever going to be an easy ride this season?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tZ6AleCouk

Keep the faith!!! COYS
 

Gilzeanking

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I also wonder if Harry's heart is in it as much as when he joined. Comments like those he makes regarding the England manager's job make me wonder sometimes.
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Mmm .his cheery post match interview yesterday coupled with his 'Whatever happens I can walk out of Spurs with my head held high' comment recently, do chip away at belief in his commitment a little . Also his long experience at smaller clubs may affect his outlook . A close game away to WHam being an acceptable result for a smaller club .

It is strange to see a Redknapp Spurs team seem short of motivation .We've had a blindingly good mental approach for so long under him ,the master of player motivation ...just a bit weird now.

and to those who would deny the Spurs forum a chance to debate the manager's performance.....words fail me :roll:.
 

pistolP

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Why is it always blasphemous to question a manager is the tactics are poor and games are lost? Nobody is predicting doom.

Tottenham Hotspur is bigger than Harry Redknapp. Spurs fans do not care about Redknapp, they care about their team. If they feel that the team is being mismanaged, right or wrong, why can't they say it? Why is that not allowed?

Thank you. And for 2bearis2do, very good article.
 

Lilbaz

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Mmm .his cheery post match interview yesterday coupled with his 'Whatever happens I can walk out of Spurs with my head held high' comment recently, do chip away at belief in his commitment a little . Also his long experience at smaller clubs may affect his outlook . A close game away to WHam being an acceptable result for a smaller club .

It is strange to see a Redknapp Spurs team seem short of motivation .We've had a blindingly good mental approach for so long under him ,the master of player motivation ...just a bit weird now.

and to those who would deny the Spurs forum a chance to debate the manager's performance.....words fail me :roll:.

Saying a manager may have got his tactics wrong is one thing, but turning on a manager who has done great for us and has one of the highest all time win ratio is madness. We argue that Wenger and Ferguson have had time to develop their teams but as soon as we get a few bad results we call for the managers head, saying he's not good enough at this level. Do you wonder why in the last 10 years we've had so many managers? And such little success?
Some of our supporters did the same thing at the beginning of the year yet we still made the CL. We are having a bad patch at the moment but we will soon turn the corner.
 

Krafty

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I think Harry has been poor the last two games. The lineup against Arsenal on Tuesday was crazy, at least try the players in their best positions. Yesterday, the defence picked itself because of injuries, but then you have to forsee that the rest of the team has to be picked to get the best out of them.

Corluka and Bassong were scared of the aerial threat and pace from Obina and Piquonne, as evident from the very first minute, so its going to be very hard to win back possession high up the pitch. That being the case, you need pace and dynasism for the counter attack, and if you play a lone striker you need someone who will offer an option in the build up.

I do have sympathy for Harry because of the injuries and the indifference performances from Keane, Pav, Gio and Jenas in the past, but he had a summer to offload players and didnt, and that doesnt excuse him for putting out teams that lack any kind of direction
 

tttcowan

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Saying a manager may have got his tactics wrong is one thing, but turning on a manager who has done great for us and has one of the highest all time win ratio is madness. We argue that Wenger and Ferguson have had time to develop their teams but as soon as we get a few bad results we call for the managers head, saying he's not good enough at this level. Do you wonder why in the last 10 years we've had so many managers? And such little success?
Some of our supporters did the same thing at the beginning of the year yet we still made the CL. We are having a bad patch at the moment but we will soon turn the corner.

:clap::clap::clap:
 

DannySafer

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In response to the article, you are entitled to an opinion mate thats what makes Football what it is. I am Arrys biggest fan so dont agree with most of it to be fair, however agree with the part at the end where u mention maybe he should encourage a settled formation and help players to form partnerships on the pitch by giving them a regular run.

My take on the poor form is that we are all underestimating massively how the loss of Palacios has been detrimental to us. On our surge from the bottom of the table after Arry arrived he was instrumental. He raised the team to another level in terms of aggression, hussling, hurrying. On the back of him they were all at it. We didnt give any team the opportunity to play. Now its gone, we may as well have sold him because the player we bought is shot to pieces. The reason why as you say we let teams like West Ham play our game against us. His type of player is a rare breed and in my opinion it has really, really fecked us.
 

2bearis2do

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Thanks for the responses.
Please note - at no point do I say sack Harry, nor do I even entertain the idea. To do so would be foolish and he has fully deserved his chance to steer this talented squad to glory. The point about my thoughts is simply that I am fed up with what appears to be a clueless start to the season and Harry doesn't seem to be getting any wiser at this point in time.
If those knee jerkers who do not wish to debate the issue but simply respond with sarcastic shouts of ¨yeah sack the manager¨ would actually read the words and think about a measured response about what Harry can do and how he can improve, then we would all be singing from the same song sheet.
 
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