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Trix

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Yeah of course, just those three. Actually players like Mane, Salah, Firminio have all been signed by Liverpool in recent seasons and would all significantly add options to our attack which I think would enable us to challenge for the title. The reason I mention those three is because they feasibly are the type of players that should be "affordable" as you put it, for spurs.

There are no guarantees any signing will be a success but you can't pretend to me that Grealish is the best type of signing we can make.

I've nothing against signing Grealish but if it's the height of our ambition this summer then we are fucked.

Sorry.

I'm sure many think the same about Eriksen, Dele and Son.
 

ToDarrenIsToDo

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Not that I don't rate him, but Grealish shouldn't be judged as a core piece of business I don't think. This deal is just an opportunistic punt because of his price and homegrown status. I'd certainly view him as more of a want than a need at this stage.

We'll see what our level of ambition is at the end of the window. Grealish then could either be a sign of a lack of ambition or a nice piece of icing on the cake.

Isn't any signing coming into the Premier League an opportunistic punt? Players like Robinho & Veron never hit their expected heights. Every signing is a punt there are no guarantees.

I've got a lot of time for the Grealish signing personally. Relatively low risk with high reward possibilities and he counts as home grown. I think he'd be a great signing to kick the window off for us
 
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ToDarrenIsToDo

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Well i'm referring to the price as the opportunistic element.

I keep saying this. If Grealish was priced normally at £40-50m would we still be interested in him?

If Dele was quoted as £20m instead of £5 would we have taken a punt on him? It's all hear say when it comes down to it.

All I know is that we need a homegrown player for our quotas, it's a rule requirement that we need to adhere to to have the maximum number of players available within our squad. Getting Jack in for the reported £20m where his value will only increase playing for a club like Spurs and where he could fulfil his potential and become an absolute star is a complete no brainier for me. It's the one absolute must signing we should be making based on rule requirements, based on what's needed positionally in the team and what's based on financial benefit to the club. It's a signing we simply cannot lose with
 

yanno

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Well i'm referring to the price as the opportunistic element.

I keep saying this. If Grealish was priced normally at £40-50m would we still be interested in him?

If Villa had been promoted, the extra revenue etc would probably have eradicated their FFP problems and Grealish would not be for sale, even at £40-50m. Just as Sessegnon is not for sale with Fulham having won the Championship play off.

So, yes, Levy is being opportunistic.

Just as Liverpool have been opportunistic over Shaqiri, and Man Utd were opportunistic over Sanchez, in signing players who would not have been available at the prices they moved for were it not for exceptional circumstances (Shaqiri - relegation clause, Sanchez - 6 months left on contract).

There's no guarantee Grealish will be a success. But he's got a lot of talent, and in the games I saw last season, he's started learning how to use it for the team. He was head and shoulders Villa's best player.

Would we have paid £40m for him? I'm tempted to say No. But we paid £30m for Sissoko and apparently were willing to go to £50m for Sessegnon, so who knows?

If the deal is around £20m plus clauses, then I think it's well worth doing. And I think there's a legitimate place for opportunistic transfers as part of the overall strategy. After all, if it doesn't work out, the financial hit isn't as great as buying at true market value.
 
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mawspurs

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If Dele was quoted as £20m instead of £5 would we have taken a punt on him? It's all hear say when it comes down to it.

All I know is that we need a homegrown player for our quotas, it's a rule requirement that we need to adhere to to have the maximum number of players available within our squad. Getting Jack in for the reported £20m where his value will only increase playing for a club like Spurs and where he could fulfil his potential and become an absolute star is a complete no brainier for me. It's the one absolute must signing we should be making based on rule requirements, based on what's needed positionally in the team and what's based on financial benefit to the club. It's a signing we simply cannot lose with

I agree, it is also the kind of transfer that both our manager and our chairman like. Poch likes young players he can develop into top players and Levy likes a bargain. It's an all round win.
 

spids

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Spurs need to make three signings which instantly improve the first 11.

These positions are WF, CM and CB or Striker (back up to Kane).

Martial would cover WF and striker. CB no idea. CM it is highly debatable Grealish will make enough of an impact and is of the required quality to instantly improve our CM.

If he is, excellent but he's hardly a proven CL quality CM.

You think we need to upgrade Verts and Sanchez!?
 

Primativ

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You think we need to upgrade Verts and Sanchez!?

Obviously not. We need a top class 3rd CB though. Dier is not it, Foyth too inexperienced. If either Sanchez or Verts get injured, we could be playing CL games with Foyth or Dier in there, neither so far have proved they are good enough.

If Toby leaves, we need to replace him with a top class CB, be it Pavard, De Ligt or whoever. If we don't, we are considerably weaker at CB this season than we were last season, and that is unacceptable.

This is assuming Toby leaves which is looking likely.
 

yanno

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As I said, I personally want us to sign him for the rumoured price. However in the grand scheme of things there's a lot more important business that we need to do. By making the full price at £40m point I was trying to argue that I don't think Grealish is a priority signing as such.

The end of the window will show the level of our ambition, not whether we sign Grealish or not.

Fair points. But as we both know, experience shows that it's hard to judge how quickly players will make an impact (or not).

I was delighted when we signed Soldado, at top of the market price. He was a proven La Liga goalscorer. But he never adapted to the PL, and we weren't prepared to adapt our team to maximise his strengths.

Whereas a 19-year-old Dele, signed for a measly £5m and immediately loaned back to League One, made an immediate impact after his very first Spurs pre-season.

Grealish has played almost 150 times in the PL and Championship, and is a stronger and savvier player for it. With all our WC stars inevitably taking time to get back to PL match sharpness, I think Grealish has a chance of making our starting team from the start of the season. My hunch is that he could make an immediate impact, as he knows how little time he'll have on the ball in English football, and this will give him an advantage over say any overseas midfielder signing we make between now and deadline day.
 
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Primativ

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Doesn't answer my question on how we're "fucked" if we sign players like Grealish who it's assumed Poch wants. Will all our players leave or something?

No but it means we will be considerably weaker than last season.

Dembele is leaving remember, and even if he stays he is no longer physically up to a 38 game PL season. We need someone who can come in to CM and hit the ground running.
 

ToDarrenIsToDo

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No but it means we will be considerably weaker than last season.

Dembele is leaving remember, and even if he stays he is no longer physically up to a 38 game PL season. We need someone who can come in to CM and hit the ground running.

Who's to say Winksy won't do that for us. He's busy, uses the hall well, is extremely composed yet hassling at the same time and his job could be to just win possession and move the ball on quickly to the ball players like Grealish or Eriksen in the team.

If the jigsaw piece fits etc
 

Dashy

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If we can get him, Grealish will be a great marquee signing for us this summer. Unfortunately it looks like a tricky transfer to get over the line, what with Aston Villa needing to sell to survive. We need to be realistic in our expectations, the chances of ever signing someone like Bale or Martial are extremely slim. We have to live within our means.
 

cliff jones

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Who's to say Winksy won't do that for us. He's busy, uses the hall well, is extremely composed yet hassling at the same time and his job could be to just win possession and move the ball on quickly to the ball players like Grealish or Eriksen in the team.

If the jigsaw piece fits etc

His injuries must be a factor here. He was tenacious when he first came in- but much tamer after that initial injury at Burnley I think it was. We need four players for the two spots- I don't buy Eriksen or Alli dropping back, so even if Winks returns to his best there's gonna be a slot available. If that belongs to Sissoko when the window closes I think 99% will be disappointed?
 

cliff jones

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If we can get him, Grealish will be a great marquee signing for us this summer. Unfortunately it looks like a tricky transfer to get over the line, what with Aston Villa needing to sell to survive. We need to be realistic in our expectations, the chances of ever signing someone like Bale or Martial are extremely slim. We have to live within our means.

marquee? They must be quite small where you come from?
 
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