Jack Grealish

[CantSmileWithoutYou]

How does that go against what I wrote?

Maybe I should learn to read properly...sorry

 

[whatislifewithoutspurs]

The thing is, are we confident to strike the deals we want later on in the window without paying the extra millions? This is bearing in mind that we are in the WC season.

Or are we going to go down our priority list again similar to past few windows?

 

[BringBack_leGin]

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It was a switch between the football teams.

I know as a Spurs fan you’d find it difficult to understand a situation where a player who has played for one team for a few years suddenly decided he wanted to go and play for the neighbouring team, leading him to be labelled a Judas but work with me here!

I take your point, but I’d understand the antipathy towards grealish more had he played for the full team.

 

[allatsea]

The thing is, are we confident to strike the deals we want later on in the window without paying the extra millions? This is bearing in mind that we are in the WC season.

Or are we going to go down our priority list again similar to past few windows?

Depends if the players we want want to join us or have a preference for another club. If that club loses interest or buys another player then we may become more attractive.

 

[DFF]

I'm sure he does. Heck in fact I'm sure all managers would want the same. Fact is though we have a limited budget and it's not as simple as just "get them now". I have posted some of the issues in other posts but I will try and explain a bit one more time.

When I refer to "the players" that can mean the players themselves, the agents, their family members, and more often than not a combination of all three.

A club like ours will compile a shortlist of players that fit the need for the club. The players are no different. They will have their own list of clubs they would like to go to.....
boyhood clubs
playing time
great manager and/or players
CL football
location
financials
etc etc.

We make our interest known to the selling club and agent, and the absolute first thing they do is look to see if they can do better elsewhere(that's their job). This might take time, for numerous reasons....

A preferred club is interested but needs to sell first,
the club has an alternative they would prefer but strings the player along just in case
Difference of opinion on the transfer fee/wages between the buying club and selling club/agent
Or like now an upcoming world cup which could change the desire in their players.

We are not top of the food chain(but we are not far off) so when we are looking at squad players it's usually a pretty easy decision from the players/agents POV, but the selling club is still going to look at maximising the transfer fee by selling elsewhere first. If the player is set on joining us and the selling club can get more elsewhere this will drag it out. Then the agent might think the other team will pay more = more delays. Then there is the players family that needs persuading etc etc.

The fact is in the early part of the window we are trying to do stuff but there are hurdles everywhere. In the last 2-3 weeks of the window the players/agents/clubs pretty much know where they stand. Other clubs are needing income to do their deals, players/agents are getting edgy and prepared to take less, and most importantly the Elite clubs aren't likely to force the prices up with their interest.

It's simple really, if we want players that none of the other teams would want it's easy. If we want our top choices then all the above has to align first and that takes time to happen.

Of course it is possible to get these deals done early ala Liverpool , but the fact is they are overpaying(quite significantly), both is Agents fee's and signing on fee's to do so. I'm sure there will be numerous posters now saying "well we should do the same". Firstly Levy does not operate like that, and secondly we have a budget, a transfer kitty a war chest call it what you will, but with everything else going on regarding stadium and pay rises it does have it's limit.

If we go down the route of greasing the wheels a deal which should cost £40 mil now costs £46. That's not just £6mil off the transfer fee of the next player. Well it's only £6mill, nothing in the grand scheme of things right? Wrong because when we come to sign player 2 his agent won't do business until he gets his Brucie bonus either. If Poch wants/needs 3 players in by the time we get to player three we can't get close to affording him and we are left short.

Now all that said I'm sure the nay sayers will come diving in with "If we hadn't wasted money on blah blah blah we wouldn't be in this position" Well maybe that's true, but our approach has been to buy lots of middle of the road(financially speaking) players with potential knowing some will work and some won't. You can't list all the flops without all the successful players either. Added to that how many of the so called flops have we actually lost money on, because they may not have performed on the pitch, but if they haven't cost us financially then they aren't really a massive problem.


Poch is very aware of how things work. If he wants his top targets sometimes it comes at a cost as far as timeline is concerned.

Some of these so called super agents are utter shitheels. Football is the Wild West at the moment with regards to agents. They need to be properly regulated like in other sports.

 

[cheeseman]

But apparently me saying there are some Irishmen who don’t like him for playing for England after representing Ireland at other levels is something I have made up.

This is despite the fact that there are posts right here stating exactly what I have said.

But why is that a negative with regard to him potentially signing for us?

 

[Luka Van der Bale]

Sorry, but the Grealish thing from Irish fans is laughable. Close to half the Ireland team played for Northern Ireland or England youth teams!

I honestly don’t get it at all. I’m Northern Irish, but don’t hold anything against those who switch allegiance to the Republic. Players play for the international team they identify with - it’s a personal decision made by each individual, and you can’t tell anyone how they should identify or which country they should associate with.

 

[dontcallme]

But why is that a negative with regard to him potentially signing for us?

I haven’t said it is.

 

[Qualsonic]

I honestly don’t get it at all. I’m Northern Irish, but don’t hold anything against those who switch allegiance to the Republic. Players play for the international team they identify with - it’s a personal decision made by each individual, and you can’t tell anyone how they should identify or which country they should associate with.

 

[cheeseman]

I haven’t said it is.

So, in a thread about whether Spurs should sign Grealish, your list of negatives was just a character assassination?

Gotcha.

 

[tiger666]

43 pages to go..

 

[Streetspur77]

43 pages to go..

Where are all the overly negative Americans when you need them

 

[Qualsonic]

Where are all the overly negative Americans when you need them

They only come out at night...

 

[dontcallme]

So, in a thread about whether Spurs should sign Grealish, your list of negatives was just a character assassination?

Gotcha.

Not even close. You are yet another poster who has quoted me without bothering to see what I was discussing.

A poster said the only reason people see signing Grealish as a negative is because he is English and plays in the Championship.

I pointed out some have questioned his character based on his drinking while Villa were in a relegation battle and some Irish don’t like his character because he played for Ireland from youth to under 21 then changed to playing for England.

I have never given an opinion on his character as I have no idea.

Despite explaining this on numerous occasions I am still getting moron after moron quoting me and disagreeing with me on things I very clearly have never said.

If you join in a conversation and quote someone it is a good idea to see what the conversation was, might save you from looking like a massive twat.

 

[Cornpattbuck]

My Villa supporting mate, who thought highly of Onomah, says that Grealish has the talent to make it to the top, seems to have sorted his attitude and thinks he'd thrive at Spurs.

He's desperate for Villa to sort their finances out so they can keep hold of him.

I haven't seen much of Grealish recently but always admired his swagger as a young player coming through.

 

[cheeseman]

Not even close. You are yet another poster who has quoted me without bothering to see what I was discussing.

A poster said the only reason people see signing Grealish as a negative is because he is English and plays in the Championship.

I pointed out some have questioned his character based on his drinking while Villa were in a relegation battle and some Irish don’t like his character because he played for Ireland from youth to under 21 then changed to playing for England.

I have never given an opinion on his character as I have no idea.

Despite explaining this on numerous occasions I am still getting moron after moron quoting me and disagreeing with me on things I very clearly have never said.

If you join in a conversation and quote someone it is a good idea to see what the conversation was, might save you from looking like a massive twat.

Yeah, in a thread debating whether signing Grealish would be a good idea, a poster listed two possible negatives. You quoted him and added a few more negatives. One would assume in a thread of this kind that these "negatives" would be with regard to whether Grealish would be a good signing.

However, you yourself stated that the "Irish thing" was unrelated to whether he would be a good signing for Spurs.

So what relevance does the "Irish thing" have to this thread, bearing in mind we can assume that the original poster was listing possible negatives relating to the player's suitability for Spurs?

Please answer, and without the name-calling this time.

 

[doctor stefan Freud]

This is the season of the Villa mate

 

[teok]

I'm sure he does..

Quality post trix.

 

[Living Legend Colm G]

Sorry, but the Grealish thing from Irish fans is laughable. Close to half the Ireland team played for Northern Ireland or England youth teams!

I honestly don’t get it at all. I’m Northern Irish, but don’t hold anything against those who switch allegiance to the Republic. Players play for the international team they identify with - it’s a personal decision made by each individual, and you can’t tell anyone how they should identify or which country they should associate with.

I actually agree with much of your post and it's well written so I'm not trying by any means to be argumentative, but I have a different view on this.

As you say, it's about personal identification and it is indeed up to the player who they associate with. But surely that is the point here? He associated with the Republic at all youth levels. So to change over, in my opinion, is a bit of a kick in the teeth to me as an irishman. And by the way I agree that it happens both ways such as us taking English and Northern irishman players. I just don't agree with any of it.

Maybe it's a different scenario once you actually get to the point of being a good enough footballer to be able to choose later on in life, but I can only speak from my personal opinion, and I know that i had two dreams growing up as a second generation Londoner.

1) play my whole career for Spurs and score for them in a cup final.

2) Captain the Republic in the world cup.

So even if I became the greatest footballer ever known, and England came calling for me, but for some reason the Republic didn't want me, then I simply was never going to play international football. I just couldn't fathom ever having an allegiance to any other team bar the Republic.

So that's why the Grealish thing annoyed me, but like others, I really think he's talented and would like him at Spurs.

 

[Spurs' Pipe Dreams]

It's interesting seeing some people in the thread say that they've not seen much of Grealish or heard of him, I mean this kid has been talked about for almost a decade. There were plenty of press inches and hype about him as a 12/13 yo. I remember commentators speaking about a special talent coming through the ranks at Villa 8/9 years ago. I guess its a bit like Marcus Edwards who us Spurs fans have been waiting to make the breakthrough ever since he was a young kid (he's still only 19) but Grealish has come through the ranks and is now the talisman of a big club (albeit in the Championship currently), that's a lot of pressure on a young boy, no wonder he had a few growing pains