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Janssen on Tottenham future

diamondlight

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Only time will tell but think we need to give him till the end of next season or at least till next Jan.
You can see he looks up for it and he puts a shift in and holds the ball up well.....but sometime he looks too keen and seems to be trying to force things.Also think he's not on the same wave length with the rest of the players and that would improve with time just like lamela.
All true. But his fundamental problem is that he doesn't seem to ever get a decent shot off. Kane - like any decent striker - made his mark on the team by collecting the ball, turning, and spanking shots at the goal. As a striker you can't just lay the ball off and wait around for someone to lay on a chance for you. You've got to make things happen. I've seen no evidence that jannsen has this in him. He's 'forcing things' because he's trying to make things happen without being good enough.
 

diamondlight

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Do you mean players like Alderweireld, Vertonghen, Dembele, Eriksen, Lloris, Lamela, Wanyama and Son? British players come at premium, inflated prices.
Three of those players came from our division, but I get your point.
 

Sir Henry

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Watford wanted nearly twice for Deeney what we paid for Janssen.

Reported, which was probably paper talk.

I'm no great lover of either player I mentioned, but good examples none the less. I'm pretty sure I could pick up a player from our division at a fraction of the price we paid for Janssen who can actually score goals. Defoe ?
 

Treacle

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Only time will tell but think we need to give him till the end of next season or at least till next Jan.
You can see he looks up for it and he puts a shift in and holds the ball up well.....but sometime he looks too keen and seems to be trying to force things.Also think he's not on the same wave length with the rest of the players and that would improve with time just like lamela.

Another issue is game time atm we need to be putting our best 11 out every game to stay in the cups and push on in the league,so the mins aren't there for him either.
Hoping a good full pre season with plenty of game time will give him more of a understanding of what poch wants,how the players around him play as in there movement,thoughts etc....and the confidence he needs to believe he can cut it with us!

It might help if Poch gave him a run out on some more clear cut games. I'm still scratching my head why we brought Sissoko on in place of Kane when we were three up at the weekend. To me that seemed a blatant opportunity to give a low on confidence striker a run out.
 

Sweetsman

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It might help if Poch gave him a run out on some more clear cut games. I'm still scratching my head why we brought Sissoko on in place of Kane when we were three up at the weekend. To me that seemed a blatant opportunity to give a low on confidence striker a run out.
It can work both ways: if he doesn't score, he will lose more confidence; if he scores, it may or may not start a scoring run. Maybe, he was telling Janssen that he had to maintain his standards in training before he made it off the bench; but also he may have wanted to say that if he wants a midfielder then he can pick someone else. Janssen needs to show himself more in attacking positions, not just be an assister.
 

14/04/91

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Reported, which was probably paper talk.

I'm no great lover of either player I mentioned, but good examples none the less. I'm pretty sure I could pick up a player from our division at a fraction of the price we paid for Janssen who can actually score goals. Defoe ?

And there it is! Knew it wouldn't be long before you suggested Defoe.
£80k per week for a reserve striker who probably wouldn't want to sit on the bench at this stage of his career.
Oh & do you know how many goals he scored for us in his last 29 league appearances?
2
 

mdharris

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All true. But his fundamental problem is that he doesn't seem to ever get a decent shot off. Kane - like any decent striker - made his mark on the team by collecting the ball, turning, and spanking shots at the goal. As a striker you can't just lay the ball off and wait around for someone to lay on a chance for you. You've got to make things happen. I've seen no evidence that jannsen has this in him. He's 'forcing things' because he's trying to make things happen without being good enough.
Id agree with this. he also seems to always be behind the play. his runs are often too late or not disguised well enough, the markking defender always get there before him. he's not especially quick, but you dont have to be if you're a smart player (e.g. Sheringham). for me, it does not seem like he will cut it, but id love to be proven wrong.
 

Khilari

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He hasn't cut the mustard with end product. Nor has he justified his fee. Yet.

But I don't think we are in a position to suggest he won't make it. Unlike Soldado and Rebrov, he isn't the finished article and (hopefully) can adapt to a different league.

Also, unlike Postiga, he has the physical attributes to succeed in the EPL.

I'd say it's unlikely he will turn into a 20 goal-a-season striker, simply because there aren't many of them around and we just happen to be lucky enough to have one.

But, I do think he's shown enough to suggest he can improve. Like I've said before - he just needs one to go in from open play in some way. He's been so close to scoring before. That's the barrier he needs to break.

Problem is Pochettino (and Levy) are ruthless. If a better/alternative prospect to replace him comes up on the scene, Janssen may not be given any more time.
 

UpTownSpur

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The difference between him and Kane is that while Kane doesn't have great pace, he has great acceleration. Janssen has neither pace nor acceleration. He's two inches shorter than Kane and doesn't leap as well either. There was never any possibility of him being a success here and it was a failure of scouting to sign him, one of quite a few - Fazio, Stambouli and Njie amongst others. It's an area the club needs to improve upon.
 

olliec

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The difference between him and Kane is that while Kane doesn't have great pace, he has great acceleration. Janssen has neither pace nor acceleration. He's two inches shorter than Kane and doesn't leap as well either. There was never any possibility of him being a success here and it was a failure of scouting to sign him, one of quite a few - Fazio, Stambouli and Njie amongst others. It's an area the club needs to improve upon.
completely forgot about Stambouli.
 

UpTownSpur

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Don't agree with that, easy to be wise after.....

"The event" is seeing him play a few times, so my assessment is based on that when all I had to go before was YouTube videos and scoring stats. So understanding who he is now as a player and what attributes he does and doesn't have, I'm pretty perplexed why we bought him and it's poor scouting. Good scouting would be spotting the potential in a striker who'd scored just handful of goals and being blinded by Janssen's numbers was as daft as Sunderland shelling out for Altidore - a closer inspection would have revealed the flaws.
 
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spursbhoy67

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Radamel Falcao showed tonight that there are times when a player finds himself at the wrong club at the wrong time. He was poison when he left England but showed his class at times tonight in the CL tie v Man City.

There are times when it just does not work out for a player at a club and this might be the case with Janssen at Spurs. He still deserves time and I would at least give him until the January 2018 transfer window to prove himself.
 

spurs9

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About time we started looking in our own division rather than spunking countless millions on overseas players.
Like Sissoko and Davies? I'm pretty sure the % of players that turn out to be good signings is probably about the same for players bought overseas as it is from within the league.
 

yid-down-under

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Like Sissoko and Davies? I'm pretty sure the % of players that turn out to be good signings is probably about the same for players bought overseas as it is from within the league.

As a back up there's nothing wrong with Davies.
 

spurs9

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As a back up there's nothing wrong with Davies.
I disagree there. We have to change our system when Rose gets injured and even with the change, his style doesn't suit us and has a negative affect. You would obvious expect a drop in quality when a "back up" plays but it's more than just that.
 

ernie78

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We should get Dembele from Celtic and if necessary send Janssen up there as a loan. I thought we were going to buy Dembele at the end of last season and am mystified why we didn't.
Apparently something with his medical made us end our interest in him. Think Trix or Jjetset mentioned it a while back
 

Jenko

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It's perfectly feasible that, if the roles were reversed, Janssen would be tearing it up in the abominably shite SPL, and Dembele would be struggling in the ultra tough EPL. It's hard to compare players who are operating at totally different level. It's as irrelevant as Janssen's stella performances in the Eredivisie unfortunately.

Agree, but have one point to make.

Who's bigger, stronger, faster and more confident of the two at the moment?

Ye gotta play the odds....
 
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