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Saoirse

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Did Llorente play on Tuesday night?
I know he started. I'm asking if he was playing.

Yep. And he definitely struggled for direct involvement, but I wouldn't say that's his fault. He's a 35 year old target man, he's never going to be massively fluid or mobile, and we didn't really play many long balls or crosses for him. However, what he did achieve was to occupy both their centre-halves when we had wide possession for fear of a cross, which led to the cut-backs and long-shots that much of our threat and eventually our goal came from.
 

Yakflange

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Janssen has age on his side - he's only 24 - so he can definitely improve. If anyone can make him into a better player, Pochettino can. But only Pochettino knows what his real potential is, whether he's got the right attitude - i.e. whether he's worth keeping for next season.

Surely Llorente can't be our back-up option next season - probably time to say thanks and move him on.

Given that our first option up front if Kane isn't playing is Son, then second option Moura, would Janssen make a good third option? Of course it would be nice to have someone better, but who can we realistically get who is going to be happy sitting on the bench most of the time?

Other advantages being we already own him so we don't have to bother with costly transfers in and out to get a replacement, which could also be a bit of a gamble on the unknown.

Are any youth team players ready to bring through to provide competition?
 

Paolo10

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His contract's up in June next year, are you lads all on a tremendous amount of drugs or something?

Get him fucked off back to Holland or whoever's gullible enough to take him ASAP, free up a squad place and actually invest some proper money into a replacement (who should NOT be a player with one decent season in the Eerdevisie).

He's nowhere near good enough.
 

Saoirse

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Surely Llorente can't be our back-up option next season - probably time to say thanks and move him on.

I honestly think he will be. He's had a good season. And we have so many positions in much greater need right now - both fall-backs, centre mid, an Eriksen backup, potentially replacements for Eriksen and Toby, a long-term heir to Hugo. I can't see splashing out for a backup striker being anywhere close to a priority.
 

Yakflange

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His contract's up in June next year, are you lads all on a tremendous amount of drugs or something?

Over Easter weekend I was. So maybe I still am then.

Get him fucked off back to Holland or whoever's gullible enough to take him ASAP, free up a squad place and actually invest some proper money into a replacement (who should NOT be a player with one decent season in the Eerdevisie).

He's nowhere near good enough.

My point is that we don't know how good he could be. As someone has mentioned above, Sissoko is a case in point.

How do you find someone who is better than him who is going to be happy sitting on the bench for most of the season?
 

Yakflange

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I honestly think he will be. He's had a good season. And we have so many positions in much greater need right now - both fall-backs, centre mid, an Eriksen backup, potentially replacements for Eriksen and Toby, a long-term heir to Hugo. I can't see splashing out for a backup striker being anywhere close to a priority.

Perhaps, but my concern is that he'll only decline further with age, be more injury prone, etc. - so he may not be a great bet for the whole season.

Also, as we have to change our style to accommodate him when he does play, wouldn't it be better to use someone who can fit our style better, or who is more adaptable to multiple styles?
 

Hakkz

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Over Easter weekend I was. So maybe I still am then.



My point is that we don't know how good he could be. As someone has mentioned above, Sissoko is a case in point.

How do you find someone who is better than him who is going to be happy sitting on the bench for most of the season?

How do you know he is happy to sit on the bench? He and his agent were apparently annoyed he couldn't get a permanent move in the winter so.
 

Saoirse

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Perhaps, but my concern is that he'll only decline further with age, be more injury prone, etc. - so he may not be a great bet for the whole season.

Also, as we have to change our style to accommodate him when he does play, wouldn't it be better to use someone who can fit our style better, or who is more adaptable to multiple styles?
In an ideal world yes, there's definitely going to be better options out there. But even if we had the money which we probably don't, it isn't normally a great idea to have too much squad upheaval at once. If we happen to find a striker who's cheap, happy to be a backup, and seems a better fit that's one thing, but I'd be very disappointed to release Llorente before we've found such an ideal replacement.
 

Yakflange

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How do you know he is happy to sit on the bench? He and his agent were apparently annoyed he couldn't get a permanent move in the winter so.

I don't know, you're right, maybe he wouldn't be - just speculation. But when he came in the first place he knew he'd be playing second fiddle to Kane.
 

Hakkz

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I don't know, you're right, maybe he wouldn't be - just speculation. But when he came in the first place he knew he'd be playing second fiddle to Kane.

And then it didn't work out, so I can see why he wants to get out. Probably to restart his career in Holland.
 

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As usual, it's divisive when assessing a players potential but even with the evidence to hand, anyone completely writing the possibility of Janssen coming good needs to be looked at with a degree of suspicion. He may well never come good. But he might.

If people aren't going to learn from how Sissoko has turned things around and at least allow for the possibility, at least modify the certainty with which they offer these golden insights that they treat us to then you just have to question just how seriously you take anything they have to say.
 

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Over Easter weekend I was. So maybe I still am then.



My point is that we don't know how good he could be. As someone has mentioned above, Sissoko is a case in point.

How do you find someone who is better than him who is going to be happy sitting on the bench for most of the season?

My granddad would like a trial and he enjoys a nice long rest on a bench.
 

Johnny J

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I ain’t belittling Fernando bud but i think that despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary, Janssen, given an infinite amount of time, would do no worse than he did previously.
FTFY
 

Johnny J

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As usual, it's divisive when assessing a players potential but even with the evidence to hand, anyone completely writing the possibility of Janssen coming good needs to be looked at with a degree of suspicion. He may well never come good. But he might.

If people aren't going to learn from how Sissoko has turned things around and at least allow for the possibility, at least modify the certainty with which they offer these golden insights that they treat us to then you just have to question just how seriously you take anything they have to say.
Anything is possible, but not plausible.

Edit: apparently anything is plausible. I stand corrected.
 
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paddieu

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As usual, it's divisive when assessing a players potential but even with the evidence to hand, anyone completely writing the possibility of Janssen coming good needs to be looked at with a degree of suspicion. He may well never come good. But he might.

If people aren't going to learn from how Sissoko has turned things around and at least allow for the possibility, at least modify the certainty with which they offer these golden insights that they treat us to then you just have to question just how seriously you take anything they have to say.

AMEN !
 

Paolo10

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843 minutes in 3 years (9 starts) and a bench appearance when we'd no other attacking options whatsoever due to injuries and because Sissoko, who played more football than that in his first fucking season here, came good Janssen somehow has a chance of now making it at Spurs with a year left on his contract?

Sorry, but no tbh.
 

Yakflange

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843 minutes in 3 years (9 starts) and a bench appearance when we'd no other attacking options whatsoever due to injuries and because Sissoko, who played more football than that in his first fucking season here, came good Janssen somehow has a chance of now making it at Spurs with a year left on his contract?

Sorry, but no tbh.

Sissoko and Janssen got almost the same amount of game time in their first seasons.

Janssen had just turned 22 and moved from a different country/league. Difficult to adapt and step up to what was required straight away.

His next season he went out on loan but was also injured for a lot of it.

This season he has been injured for all of it until now.

How many Spurs players have we written off after slow starts, sometimes even taking a couple of seasons to come good? We do it all the time.

I'm not saying it would definitely happen with Janssen but it's certainly possible.
 

Paolo10

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It's not going to happen though. Have you heard Poch speak about him? Paid any notice to the various ITK and reports?

He's deadwood, a waste of a non-HG place and not suited for the Premier League IMO. For a supposed goalscorer, I found his movement and positioning for us were pretty dreadful.

Missed most of his shots that weren't from the penalty spot tbh.

Honestly feel some sort of Lazarus scenario for him at this point in his Tottenham career is wishful thinking/delusional.

I'm not one to preach about youth, but I'd much rather give Parrott a go next year and get Vinny off the payroll.
 
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