Jenas is the key

[spurs4europe]

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

Presumably, because Jol and now Ramos rate him far more highly than some on here do. But what the fuck do they know, eh?

No wonder you're confused. You keep snivelling on about a show pony who's been hauled off in his last three reserve games because he's been shite (and whose name you can't even spell), yet slag off Jenas, who's made more assists and created more goal attempts than anyone except Berbatov, scored three goals from six on-target attempts, made two goal-line clearances (one vital), several crucial tackles and interceptions, and probably covered more ground than anyone else in the team.

If ignorance really were bliss, some people would be in a state of permanent orgasm.

that was magic, especially the last line.
i tried to rep you, but apparently have to spread it around a bit.

quality

 

[tony0379]

i doubt it some what

 

[yanno]

I suspect a lot of this is academic - or will be by next summer when Juande gets in the type of players that he wants.

If his Sevilla team is anything to go by, he wants solid, high-tempo, pressing CMs who will dominate the centre of midfield, deny space and time to the opposition, win the ball and immediately pass it to set up counterattacks. Either by passing to fast flank players, or to a deep-lying striker (for Kanoute read Berba) to link play.

So, the conundrum with JJ is that his most effective role is surely as a classic English box-to-box CM. He has a great engine, and is a good finisher. Unfortunately, box-to-box CMs were not part of Ramos' Sevilla system.

I think the real challenge for JJ is whether he can become a dominating, Ramos-style, CM - which is how I interpret Poyet's comments. If, come January, he's playing alongside Poulsen, it will be interesting to see if he can adapt and develop his game in that fashion. My suspicion is that the Prince may have more of a chance of being a Ramos CM.

 

[N10toN17]

It's pretty obvious to anybody who has watched us that JJ is currently our best cm. I like your idea BC about sticking Steed in beside JJ in the middle of the park. I reckon they could make a decent partnership, both have an eye for a goal and can shoot and score, both can make assists, just look recently, who nut megged an Anderlecht defender for JJ to run onto for our pen, it was Steed and yesterday against citeh, Steed set up the winner and can battle and tackle, he's also hard to dislodge off the ball and can create, so yes we could have a very decent midfield with Lennon and Bale outside them.

Of course, Ramos may have different ideas come January and May.

 

[tommyt]

A Caravan of Gooners

A Delusion of Geordies

a Skank of Chavs

a Hub(cap) of Scousers

an Army of Yids

lol. Very good. :rofl:

 

[tRiKS]

That is the point. Dawson is not underperforming. He is playing to the maximum of his ability. The maximum of any player that is predominantly unintelligent and slow of foot.

Two season ago when Stalteri was getting slaughtered for making 3 mistakes that cost goals, I was saying that Dawson is making mistakes every game but not getting punished, I also said that sooner or later those mistakes will get punished. Low and behold this came to fruition last season where Dawson was at fault game after game and this season it is the same.

Yes we could set up more defensively in midfield but that doesn't change the fact that Dawson, when tested with pace and intelligence, will always come second best. If the test was guts and effort no problem.

Just ask yourself honestly, what areas does Dawson excell in ? He even got outjumped several times by Vassell yesterday.

And it is a similar story with Robinson. What does he excell at. he isn't agile. He doesn't control his area (he doesn't even command his 6 yard box). He flaps at crosses, his handling is poor. All essential requirements to be called a "good" goalkeeper. If he wasn't such a personality he'd have been dropped months ago. Why wouldn't he.

a different set up or a better CM may leave less occasiosn in which Daswons lack of "?" can be exposed.

Ok i'll answer your question. After years of Vega, Gardner, Ginger Pele etc Daswon was and still is an aggressive imporvement. Before you start NO i ceterinly don't think that other peoples failings consitiute anothers praise. I refer to performacnecs against Liverpool home and away in his first full season, last year against all the Top bastards most noteably chelsea and this year at Manutd. Are you as good as your best performance? or aas bad as your worst? Vassell winning balls agasint Dawson is a more recent worring trend (to which i attribute a graduade chipping away at his form) but it's by no means the norm over his career for us. I would also argue he gets far nearer danger sitiutations that the old tradional "back off defenders" of our recent past and I can forgive Dawsons gaffs becasue i truly belive at the peak of his time hear he's saved sitiautions far mo e than you are giving him credit for.

his attributes are his areial abiltiy and his aggression.

Robinsons attributes are his long distance free kicks :shrug:

Salty is far less culpable than chimbonda defensively and i think he gave better passes to Lennon too.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

So Dawsons attributes are his ariel ability and his aggression ? If you say that over and over again does it start to sound positive ?

Dawson isn't that great ariely. He got done several times in the air by Vassell on Sunday. He loses his man nearly every set piece. How can you say he is good ariely. And he wanders around with a big dopey grin. Really fucking aggresive.


Even if he was good in the air, would that be enough for a top 6 premiership club (or even a bottom 6 one that keeps letting in goals).

Wake up. smell the fucking coffee. The bloke is not who you desperately want him to be. He's just another average english CB who isn't great on the ball, doesn't like it when players run at him, doesn't read the game very well and isn't quick.

FFS surely we can do better ? and should.

 

[tRiKS]

So Dawsons attributes are his ariel ability and his aggression ? If you say that over and over again does it start to sound positive ?

Dawson isn't that great ariely. He got done several times in the air by Vassell on Sunday. He loses his man nearly every set piece. How can you say he is good ariely. And he wanders around with a big dopey grin. Really fucking aggresive.


Even if he was good in the air, would that be enough for a top 6 premiership club (or even a bottom 6 one that keeps letting in goals).

Wake up. smell the fucking coffee. The bloke is not who you desperately want him to be. He's just another average english CB who isn't great on the ball, doesn't like it when players run at him, doesn't read the game very well and isn't quick.

FFS surely we can do better ? and should.

I'm sorry you get and air of desperation from me. That's not the case.

I don't care personally for Dawson and certainly don't think he's infalible i just see his career with us as good aposed to your view that it's been bad.

why do you keep mentioning Vassell?? if you mention vassell you should at least mention several other examples to build up a case against him in the air, everyone is allowed the odd off day without fear of BC throwning his "sheet of judgement" over them. and to say he loses his man at virtually every set piece is a bold statement. i wager it's less than half.

you assume we still play man for man on set pieces?:shrug:

and the examples i've used to show the performances he's personally shown a level above average in , you didn't mention!?... nor the question; are you as good as your best or as bad as your worst? To reply to the former or to answer the latter would be exposing cracks in your own agenda.

the coffee smells lush

of course we can get better.

 

[whendayearendsin1]

JJ is the best central midfielder we have and when he plays well so does the team. The downside to JJ is the inconstancy in his game there are too many average games.

Is he a holding midfield player? Not in my book, because that role is about reading the game, knowing when to press, when to drop off, when to bring the ball forward and picking up runners.

All of the above are not his strengths, JJ is about getting beyond the forwards and scoring goals, very much like Poyet when he was at the lane.

 

[stemark44]

will be very surprised if jenas is starting games this time next year. ramos will get his own players in.

I will bet you whatever you have saved in your little piggy bank that you are 100% wrong!

 

[stemark44]

So Dawsons attributes are his ariel ability and his aggression ? If you say that over and over again does it start to sound positive ?

Dawson isn't that great ariely. He got done several times in the air by Vassell on Sunday. He loses his man nearly every set piece. How can you say he is good ariely. And he wanders around with a big dopey grin. Really fucking aggresive.


Even if he was good in the air, would that be enough for a top 6 premiership club (or even a bottom 6 one that keeps letting in goals).

Wake up. smell the fucking coffee. The bloke is not who you desperately want him to be. He's just another average english CB who isn't great on the ball, doesn't like it when players run at him, doesn't read the game very well and isn't quick.

FFS surely we can do better ? and should.

Sounds like John Terry!

 

[themanwhofellasleep]

Every few games JJ looks fantastic, but the rest of the time he looks distinctly average. He's got a great engine, good pace, shows occasional bursts of skill, can tackle a little. But his passing is generally woeful, he lacks any real vision and his use of the dead ball is crap (admittedly, it has improved in recent games). He's such a frustrating player, because he's only 10% off being a great midfielder, but in Premier League terms, that's the difference between being Patrick Vieira and Hayden Mullins.

For ages now I've been trying to work out our best midfield combination, and I've come to the conclusion to we need to buy new players. JJ, Zokora, Huddlestone. All can look great on their day, but their day only comes about every 5-6 games.