Jermaine Jenas

[Black]

Jenas is shit we all know it, 2 games this season he has played well Derby and Wigan what do they have in common ? there both shit teams untill he can impress against teams that are better hes still shit.

The last post said Jenas could be our veria, what are u injecting your self with?? get off his nuts, As much i hate Arsenal Jenas would never ever be as good as Viera , when Viera plays u know he playing 75% of the time when Jenas plays he turn invisible u only know hes there when hes given away the ball or got barged off and trying to win a foul because he so weak

 

[Bus-Conductor]

I agree, but I think Jenas just needs more time to mature.

Some players like Gerrard, Owen, Shearer or Rooney seem to be born old. They walk onto a football pitch as kids but play like men and I don't think that Jenas quite has that mindset.

But I do think he is capable of it. You mention a couple of instances and there was one this season against Everton. He, as well as the rest of the team, was playing poorly. He was getting booed every time he touched the ball and the game was a lost cause. But with quarter of an hour left he was charging up the pitch with the ball, trying and unfortunately failing to distribute it, and then charging back to make tackles at the other end.
In that short time he proved to me that he could lead the team, he could drive us forward, and he could 'run through walls for us'.

The central midfield area is a place for men and youngsters who can dominate such as Gerrard and Fabregas are a rarity so to compare Jenas with those is unrealistic and unfair.
At 24 Jenas is a kid compared to most Premiership players, let alone CMs, and I still think that if he was given the captain's armband, then in another season or two he could be our Viera.

I really hoped this season we were going to see him maturing and with a lack of any other tangible leadership I thought he may step into the breach so to speak. But I really worry that he just doesn't have that top mentality. If he did, he would be a "Viera".

 

[Babylon22]

:rofl::rofl::rofl: comparing him to Viera?

wow

just wow. and you wonder why other fans call us deluded.

 

[Has1978]

That is actually a really good analogy. Though I don't think it's when faced with tough competition. He's shown in the past when the shit hits the fan, JJ's the man. He had the nerve to out the FK in at Old Trafford, he was the one who kept a calm head when scoring a great winner at Goodison last season and he rescued a point against the Scum with a great late strike. So it isn't the big satge or pressure that is the problem, as with Bruno. JJ's problem is that he doesn't seem to have that instinct to grab the game by the scruff of the neck, like Gerrard. The only time I've seen him do it was when he come on at the Emirates last season and he really took control in midfield, though the game was lost by then. It seems he needs a reason to perform, whilst the likes of Gerrard have the mental attributes to go out and take the game to the opposition every week.

the game against man u was when they had possibly their weakest midfield in years. alan smith!?

i wholly agree on the arsenal away game, however. though as you say the game was lost (and he obviously had no blame attached) - he played with a freeness and determination as if he had nothing to lose. i thought he was magnificent under the circumstances. jol turned round and said to hughton "boy we´ve missed him" having seen it.

perhaps we should get paul mcKenna in to hypnotise him that we are 3-0 down every game and he is being brought on as sub. because once he is freed of those mental shackles he is an entirely different player to the shower of shit against everton at home and newcastle away this season.

as for the analogy - graeme hick the cricketer?
great at 2nd tier level. poor generally against good opposition except when he has a very specific job to do (e.g. pakistan 1 day series in 1992). but technically all the tools in the box.

 

[Capocrimini]

RE:Babylon22 Why other fans call us fickle!

JJ has played the same all season IMO. He does all the hardwork, doesnt do anything exceptional going foward or defensively but we miss him when he isnt playing. He has the potential to be a huge star, but seems to have a mental block or something. I love Jol but so many players seem to have gone backwards in the last two years, JJ, Daws, Lennon, and Robbo, that leads me to believe our coaching was pretty shit. Now Juande a guy who gets the best out of his players, Im hoping we see Jenas mature, and add some purpose to his game, he seems to run through the motions in most games, which he does very well, but a good shot and pass or two every game and the fans who dont appreciate his hard work will be happy.

 

[Babylon22]

off topic:

I think Ferguson and Wenger have the right balance between athletes and technical players.

The blueprint is:

Athletes in defence(pace/power etc). Toure,Gallas,ferdinand,vidic,evra,clichy etc

Technical players in midfield. Carrick,Anderson,scholes,Fabrigas,hleb,rosicky etc

Mixture of both up front. saha,tevez,ooney,adabayor,eduardo

At the moment we have very good athletes in midfield......but they are very limited technically(Zokora and Jenas..and to some extent lennon).That's where we are going wrong IMO.

 

[Defsta]

off topic:

I think Ferguson and Wenger have the right balance between athletes and technical players.

The blueprint is:

Athletes in defence(pace/power etc). Toure,Gallas,ferdinand,vidic,evra,clichy etc

Technical players in midfield. Carrick,Anderson,scholes,Fabrigas,hleb,rosicky etc

Mixture of both up front. saha,tevez,ooney,adabayor,eduardo

At the moment we have very good athletes in midfield......but they are very limited technically(Zokora and Jenas..and to some extent lennon).That's where we are going wrong IMO.

Even I think you're a prick babylon, I think you're right now as we are still far from that balance what scum or Manure has. Pool is lost and Chelscum is just hiring themost expensive people, but Fergie and Whinger knows how to build complete team.

 

[DogsOfWar]

:rofl::rofl::rofl: comparing him to Viera?

wow

just wow. and you wonder why other fans call us deluded.

Physically they are very similar. They cover a lot of ground, they stand up rather than diving into challenges, they both like to drive forward.
Technically Viera wasn't great, his touch was OK, his passing was OK, his ability to score was OK. Similar to Jenas?

Viera was a good all-rounder which is why he was so suited to central midfield, the same as Jenas.

The only difference is Viera had the ability to impose himself on the opposition which Jenas has only shown in flashes.

 

[donny1013]

DOW that is quite a good analysis but i still feel JJ is a bit short of Vieira's quality. However, Vieira always had a decent cm partner at the scum, Petit and Gilberto were two superb DM's. Something we severely lack so JJ has to do a lot more work as well as chipping in with goals.

 

[DogsOfWar]

DOW that is quite a good analysis but i still feel JJ is a bit short of Vieira's quality. However, Vieira always had a decent cm partner at the scum, Petit and Gilberto were two superb DM's. Something we severely lack so JJ has to do a lot more work as well as chipping in with goals.

Both are fair points.

As far as the Viera comparison is concerned he played for 10 years at Arsenal between 20 and 30, Jenas is 24 and in his third year with us.
It's still too early to say if he can become what Viera did but if he's currently 70-80% of the player Viera was then I'd say in another couple of seasons he might do it.
If you assume the average age of a footballer is 25 then a year or two either side of that age can mean a great deal in terms of maturity. At 24 he's still a 'junior' player, at 26 he can be considered a 'senior' player, especially in our squad.

My main defence of Jenas is his age. There's too much talk of 'he should be the finished article by now'.

Here's an article showing the average ages of United's Championship winning sides:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/2007/06/02/it-s-young-trafford-89520-19234662/

Whilst I may be slightly premature in jumping on the 'he could be our Viera' bandwagon it's nothing compared to those are ready to write him off when he's still a kid.

As for his partner I don't think there are any better all-round defensive midfielders than Carrick so I have to agree. Jenas was given a license to roam next to him and I think it suited him perfectly.

 

[muffwah]

He is the current Opta MVP for Europe

He scores for us all of the time, is good on the ball and is tireless.

Do you have a link or anything please mr Gibbs?

 

[gibbs131]

http://sport.setanta.com/en/Sport/News/Football/2007/11/13/Opta-Investigate-MVP/