John Bostock - Where did it all go wrong ?

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I think they are p*ssed because he ahd a bad game and he's a bad fit for their side.
A bit more far-sighted and objective are these two:

"You seem glimpses of quality. Not suited to a team like ours where you need lots of physicality. If you stuck him into the United team where they get it down he'd probably be alot better."

And:

"John Bostock got greedy and moved to the prem far too early in my opinion. he's paying the price for sitting on his arse the last four years; as are we with him in the team. he seems way off the pace, and will take time to deliver. his progress will be a slow-burner. we needed Marshall's replacement to continue his work and make an immediate impact; Bostock was a long-shot and poor choice with hindsight."

Which kinda echo my thoughts...though I would add, again, that being told he was for the first team sooner-rather-than-later and then leaving him floundering certainly did't help his confidence. But, I think, the most important thing, which has been touched on above, is that Bostock, and quite a few of our other younglings, seem to view the loan system as some kinda boobie-prize - it ain't fellas, it is you earning your wages and how 'Arry et al, are judging your suitibility for a step up (ala Kyle Walker).
 

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being told he was for the first team sooner-rather-than-later and then leaving him floundering certainly did't help his confidence.
I think the problem is that his confidence didn't take a hit. He still carries on like he's a super star but reality suggests he's battling for his career.

Plenty of talent there, just not enough room for it to get past his ego and reveal itself.
 

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I think the problem is that his confidence didn't take a hit. He still carries on like he's a super star but reality suggests he's battling for his career.

Plenty of talent there, just not enough room for it to get past his ego and reveal itself.
I think weneed to differentiate between ego and confidence. I think his ego is intact but his confidence took a hit.
 

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The problem is that with any young player it is very very hard to know whether they'll make it at the top level. For every Rooney there are are probably 20 'young stars' who don't make it at the highest level.

At 16-18 players can often rely on speed/power which others at their level don't have, but that advantage often gets snuffed out once they hit the first team.

A great example for young 'starlets' to follow is James Milner. He broke through at 16 and was 'the next big thing' and although he was marginally successful, he didn't really hit the heights until a bit later in his career. He seems to have done that by knuckling down when he wasn't in the team and taking advantage of opportunities when he was. I also remember seeing an interview with him where he said he didn't have an agent and let the PFA deal with things and I wonder if that has helped.

Either way he's a good example to people like Bostock. Just because you're noticed at 16 doesn't mean you'll be a world beater immediately. They have to keep working and if they do, the talent will eventually shine through.
 

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The problem is that with any young player it is very very hard to know whether they'll make it at the top level. For every Rooney there are are probably 20 'young stars' who don't make it at the highest level.

At 16-18 players can often rely on speed/power which others at their level don't have, but that advantage often gets snuffed out once they hit the first team.

A great example for young 'starlets' to follow is James Milner. He broke through at 16 and was 'the next big thing' and although he was marginally successful, he didn't really hit the heights until a bit later in his career. He seems to have done that by knuckling down when he wasn't in the team and taking advantage of opportunities when he was. I also remember seeing an interview with him where he said he didn't have an agent and let the PFA deal with things and I wonder if that has helped.

Either way he's a good example to people like Bostock. Just because you're noticed at 16 doesn't mean you'll be a world beater immediately. They have to keep working and if they do, the talent will eventually shine through.
Milner is a good example of a starlet who succeeds as much through sheer effort as through ability.
Really wanted us to go for him when Newcastle were letting him go.
 
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