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Josh Onomah - Sheffield Wednesday

WiganSpur

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I hope we don't sell him. We need to build up a real homegrown core at this club. It's part of our identity and identity is one of the most important things to have at a football club.

With rumours of Dembele and now Wanyama leaving, why can't we give him squad minutes? There's no better opportunity for us to bring him through. I'm not saying he should be first name on the team sheet, but surely he's a better option than Sissoko for rotation.
 

Krafty

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i think they've mistaken "want to" for "will".

I hope so. While I can see his sometimes laid back demeanour ultimately meaning he just doesn't quite make it with Poch, surely he is the type of player we want in the squad, available when others need a rest and someone who will come in and give a bit more effort/commitment than your clearly not first choice but in their prime, experienced johnny foreigner. I won't mention Sissoko but surely Josh would offer a little more without the headaches than just an.other player?

Then if he makes the next step up, brilliant. If not, we get a good fee for a player with premier league experience with a top team.

If Josh doesn't really get a shot, how are any of the others going to? They wont become top class players just through training, they will need to play with top quality players for a top quality team to make the final but crucial steps (and Kane is a prime example)
 

IGSpur

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Could say the same thing about harry Kane or Ryan Mason or Jake Livermore or Danny Rose. These are all players who were on loans without starting most games not too much before making their breakthrough. But they ended up contributing for us and only Kane out of those players was at a promotion chasing side in the championship.

Its always difficult to be a loanie of a certain age to make a real breakthrough at a club. These loans are for the development of the player how they react to these situations etc. For many players the championship can actually be a harder place to play than the PL. Its more physical, in most games its hard to have a good grasp of the ball, its a lot more yo-yo a lot of teams bypass the midfield etc. But, with loans there is always the sense that they are borrowed player and if you don't hit the ground running the club isn't going to field you and make an effort to improve you.

We need to judge loans on the basis of has the player improved or shown that he can contribute to us, not based on what he has done for the club he is loaned to per say. Aston Villa have a lot of young talented attacking midfielders as well as experienced tried and tested midfielders, its not a surprise he isn't starting every game. He has struggled at times during this loan, but he has improved as he's gone on and there are positive signs that his mentality is right and that at spurs he would be in a better position to challenge for a place than he was in the past.

He hasn't had a loan as successful as Carter-Vickers, who has been a revelation at Ipswich, but what is interesting is that CV was essentially dropped from the Sheff utd squad and clearly not fancied after a decent start and came back to Spurs. It just shows that even when things don't work at one club, things can work at another club of a similar level.

I think its a very English thing, this idea that if you fail at a certain club its a sign of your inability to play at that level, while other factors are ignored, such as the style of play, the personality of the team, tactical stuff and all kinds of reasons why things dont always work out.

In places like Italy this is much more considered and you do often see big clubs go for players which failed at other big clubs, or even go for players at lower league clubs that don't appear to be doing that well. Thats because when you look at if a player would be a success you have to look at the basic attributes and what they are doing, being in different contexts a player who struggles at one club can thrive if played in a different system.

Preach
 

Reece

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Pretty sure that's him on the bench for Villa today..

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TheHoddleWaddle

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Could say the same thing about harry Kane or Ryan Mason or Jake Livermore or Danny Rose. These are all players who were on loans without starting most games not too much before making their breakthrough. But they ended up contributing for us and only Kane out of those players was at a promotion chasing side in the championship.

Its always difficult to be a loanie of a certain age to make a real breakthrough at a club. These loans are for the development of the player how they react to these situations etc. For many players the championship can actually be a harder place to play than the PL. Its more physical, in most games its hard to have a good grasp of the ball, its a lot more yo-yo a lot of teams bypass the midfield etc. But, with loans there is always the sense that they are borrowed player and if you don't hit the ground running the club isn't going to field you and make an effort to improve you.

We need to judge loans on the basis of has the player improved or shown that he can contribute to us, not based on what he has done for the club he is loaned to per say. Aston Villa have a lot of young talented attacking midfielders as well as experienced tried and tested midfielders, its not a surprise he isn't starting every game. He has struggled at times during this loan, but he has improved as he's gone on and there are positive signs that his mentality is right and that at spurs he would be in a better position to challenge for a place than he was in the past.

He hasn't had a loan as successful as Carter-Vickers, who has been a revelation at Ipswich, but what is interesting is that CV was essentially dropped from the Sheff utd squad and clearly not fancied after a decent start and came back to Spurs. It just shows that even when things don't work at one club, things can work at another club of a similar level.

I think its a very English thing, this idea that if you fail at a certain club its a sign of your inability to play at that level, while other factors are ignored, such as the style of play, the personality of the team, tactical stuff and all kinds of reasons why things dont always work out.

In places like Italy this is much more considered and you do often see big clubs go for players which failed at other big clubs, or even go for players at lower league clubs that don't appear to be doing that well. Thats because when you look at if a player would be a success you have to look at the basic attributes and what they are doing, being in different contexts a player who struggles at one club can thrive if played in a different system.

What a fantastic post.
 

DogsOfWar

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Jan 12, 2005
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Excellent article which all our youth watchers should read.
Whilst Bruce may not be the most progressive manager he understand what's necessary to become a top class player.
From what I saw of Josh at the end of the season this loan might be the making of him which suggests the club knew exactly what he needed.

Very mature interview by Onomah and, hopefully, he can return showing that attitude and willingness to work hard so we can finally dispense with Sissoko.
 

Dougal

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Jun 4, 2004
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There’s something very ‘Aaron Lennon to Everton’ about that picture. I hope he’s ok.
 

TheHoddleWaddle

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Pointless loan unless he's played where poch wants him at spurs. If he has a future. Hopefully he will be.
 

JimmyG2

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Wish Poch. had kept him close
given him some chances to play
and finished off his Spurs education.
 
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