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fatpiranha

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Here is a reminder of what happened the last time we bought a player with bang average club form on the back of starring for their country in a major tournament



I don't get these kind of posts at all :confused:. You might as well say here's a reminder of the last time we bought a player with brown eyes/ from France/ who was right footed/ or any other utterly meaningless factor.

For those who for some reason don't know, you cannot extrapolate any meaningful facts from a data sample of 1.
 

SUIYHA

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I don't get these kind of posts at all :confused:. You might as well say here's a reminder of the last time we bought a player with brown eyes/ from France/ who was right footed/ or any other utterly meaningless factor.

For those who for some reason don't know, you cannot extrapolate any meaningful facts from a data sample of 1.

What if we also expand the sample size to include Pavlyuchenko, Paulinho, Zokora and Yedlin...

Quintero has been one of the most exciting players to watch at this World Cup, but it's risky business signing players based on a few standout games on the biggest stage.
 

John48

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Heard a SA jurno (not Vickery) on TSport last night talking about Columbia & in the report he was talking about various players & as he was going through them he said & he's off to Tottenham after the WC. Now I'd had a few & didn't really take notice until he said Tottenham, so I missed the name, but it could have well been this guy, because it was someone who plays regularly for them & not WB who's not a regular.


Don't about his club form, but he's put some very good ball about in the games I've seen him play so far in the WC & will have to be watched closely on Tues.
 

Ghost Hardware

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Very much doubt we would get him and Grealish, also, according to Ossie (who I trust in this regard being a River fan), he has stamina issues and very rarely finishes a match. He obviously has talent, and that has been evident for a while, but there seems to be quite a few question marks and I do wonder if he would cut it in the PL.
 
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yanno

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Heard a SA jurno (not Vickery) on TSport last night talking about Columbia & in the report he was talking about various players & as he was going through them he said & he's off to Tottenham after the WC. Now I'd had a few & didn't really take notice until he said Tottenham, so I missed the name, but it could have well been this guy, because it was someone who plays regularly for them & not WB who's not a regular.


Don't about his club form, but he's put some very good ball about in the games I've seen him play so far in the WC & will have to be watched closely on Tues.

Could be Barrios, with whom we've been more strongly linked.
 

fatpiranha

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What if we also expand the sample size to include Pavlyuchenko, Paulinho, Zokora and Yedlin...

Quintero has been one of the most exciting players to watch at this World Cup, but it's risky business signing players based on a few standout games on the biggest stage.

Then it still wouldn't be statistically significant just as flipping a coin and getting heads 5 times in a row wouldn't be. Also Paulinho was in the club form of his life for the previous two seasons when we signed him and i'm not sure that Pavlyuchenko or Zokora would have qualified either.
 

am_yisrael_chai

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I don't get these kind of posts at all :confused:. You might as well say here's a reminder of the last time we bought a player with brown eyes/ from France/ who was right footed/ or any other utterly meaningless factor.

For those who for some reason don't know, you cannot extrapolate any meaningful facts from a data sample of 1.
The point behind the post is fairly simple, sign players that you have scouted extensively over a period of time, not on the basis of a few international games at a tournament. If we have scouted Quintero extensively before the tournament I’ll eat my hat and it is pretty obvious we didn’t because if we wanted him then financially it was pretty easy to get done beforehand.
 

Lilbaz

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Then it still wouldn't be statistically significant just as flipping a coin and getting heads 5 times in a row wouldn't be. Also Paulinho was in the club form of his life for the previous two seasons when we signed him and i'm not sure that Pavlyuchenko or Zokora would have qualified either.

Just as chosing players on world cup form is a bad idea as you have too small a sample size of games to judge the player on.
 

yanno

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The point behind the post is fairly simple, sign players that you have scouted extensively over a period of time, not on the basis of a few international games at a tournament. If we have scouted Quintero extensively before the tournament I’ll eat my hat and it is pretty obvious we didn’t because if we wanted him then financially it was pretty easy to get done beforehand.

But you cited Sissoko as a player we signed after - allegedly - a good tournament.

By that time Sissoko had played over 100 games in the PL.

So we must have scouted him extensively - indeed, I remember hearing Pleat talking about his strengths & weaknesses on the radio whilst he was a Newcastle player - and we still blew £30 million on a combine harvester.
 
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am_yisrael_chai

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But you cited Sissoko as a player we signed after - allegedly - a good tournament.

By that time Sissoko had played over 100 games in the PL.

So we must have scouted him extensively - indeed, I remember hearing Pleat talking about his strengths & weaknesses on the radio whilist he was a Newcastle player - and we still blew £30 million on a combine harvester.
Insanity.
 

allpaths

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for the right price i'd love for us to take a chance on him. Hope he isnt our big attacking target of the summer.
 

ButchCassidy

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The point behind the post is fairly simple, sign players that you have scouted extensively over a period of time, not on the basis of a few international games at a tournament. If we have scouted Quintero extensively before the tournament I’ll eat my hat and it is pretty obvious we didn’t because if we wanted him then financially it was pretty easy to get done beforehand.
You don’t think we’ve ever scouted a player who was once considered one of the best U18 players in the entire world? Why, because you’ve never heard of him before?
 

yanno

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You don’t think we’ve ever scouted a player who was once considered one of the best U18 players in the entire world? Why, because you’ve never heard of him before?

Plus we have our own scout in the Colombian camp in Davinson.
 

am_yisrael_chai

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You don’t think we’ve ever scouted a player who was once considered one of the best U18 players in the entire world? Why, because you’ve never heard of him before?
You didn’t seem to read my whole post, if we scouted him and concluded we wanted to sign him then financially it is nuts to wait until the WC starts to sign him.
 

fatpiranha

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So just to clarify:

Quintero turned a lot of heads with his early promise which was quite exceptional and drew comparisons to Messi. His career has stalled since then due to suffering a series of injuries which resulted in everyone writing him off. When fully fit however as he appears to be now he is a class act. The question is not if he's good enough but whether he can remain fit.

Quintero has downsides as well as his fitness record. He doesn't offer much defensively and even when fully fit his stamina is questionable. When fit however he is a prolific scorer and creator of goals. His passing range and dribbling ability are excellent and he moves the ball quickly. He also has a thunderbolt of a free kick. Anything too far out for Eriksen is Quintero range. As mentioned before he has put them in from 50 yards.

If we signed him I doubt we could carry both him and Eriksen in the same line up except against teams that park the bus. He would be a good choice to give Eriksen a rest though or to come on against the bus parkers. Given his terrible injury record I doubt he would command a high price. There is no question in my mind that if he had not had so many injuries he would be playing for a top tier team and we wouldn't even be considering buying him because he would be out of our price range.

He is definitely a gamble and could break down permanently 10 minutes after signing a contract but as a cheap punt I can't think of many with a bigger upside.
 

aussie spur

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Seems to be more than fitness problems in the past, suggestions of questionable application to football in some articles I have read.

If we went for this would want poch to have had rock solid inside info from River people that he is healthy and is applying himself. Stamina issues - doesn't sound like a poch player.
 

Sweech

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Yeah...no thanks.

I’m not sure why people think that buying players on the basis of 4 games of play rather than 4 years of play is a good idea.
 
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