Juande Ramos interview on Spanish Radio

[SpurSince57]

£25k-£30k, so I've heard.

Again, this isn't a matter of going raving mad and offering huge salaries to all and sundry. We're talking about salaries within our current structure to two or three players who might well have made a major difference. And what if that difference had been a top four place and CL next season?

 

[N10toN17]

This whole sorry saga currently is driven by ENIC wanting to flog off Spurs for as much as they can get, and frankly the quicker they do it the better.

We've had a clear out on the footballing side, and I do think Ramos could do something special with us, but if we could clear out the incompetents on the financial side and get in someone new to run our club, we could seriously go places.

Levys no show today really sums the bloke up, didn't have the front or guts to take on the media and sit beside his newly appointed coach, left Commoli to field the awkward questions and of course he failed miserably, Ramos looked the nuts though, great body language and seems to have some persona, hopefully he'll scare the shit out of Levy and Commoli as well as the players.

 

[DFF]

Mug

:lol:

 

[joey55]

£25k-£30k, so I've heard.

Again, this isn't a matter of going raving mad and offering huge salaries to all and sundry. We're talking about salaries within our current structure to two or three players who might well have made a major difference. And what if that difference had been a top four place and CL next season?

That's where the problem lies. Levy is an intelligent man. Rather than just listen to advisors he would do his own research and look at past examples and there just aren't any of teams trying to achieve what we are, without 2 or 3 (more likely 3) of the types of players we are talking about. However, the key word is "if". Us fans are all for taking a gamble, but I seriously doubt anyone can come up with any realistic financial model that suggests ENIC should take that gamble. The risk to rewards ratios just aren't attractive enough. The "if" factor is too big. Look at Arseanls CL income, it just isn't as amazing as everyone thinks. Yet to invest the money we'd need to take the step up, we'd have to do well in the CL for a at least a couple of years to make it worth while. And that is if we qualify, which looking at the strength of the top 4, is unlikley.

Given the current climate in the game in terms of takeovers etc, would you really invest the money, especially when you can show £30 million profits without CL football? When you look at how American Sports franchises operate, then showing a nice profit and potential for growth (young talented squad with CL potential, plans for a new stadium and one of the most sort after coaches in Europe), is surely more important than gambling on CL football. Why make deals that any potential investors accountants are straight away going to wipe multiple millions of pounds off what they value the club at? If I were Levy and Lewis I wouldn't.

The goal post have changed since ENIC took over and they know this. With the TV deal we've just signed and numerous other factors, why would ENIC really care that much about CL. Looking at the current market value of Arsenal, Spurs value would, in real terms, less than double in a 10 year period, if we qualified for the CL every year. Yet they can probably make a 400-500% return on their investment if they sell within the course of this season. They will think "let someone else double their money, we've made 4X ours." If you'd already made 4X your money in 5 years would you wait around for as long as it will take to turn us into Arsenal? This is why after years of really fighting Levy's corner, I know longer want ENIC in charge. In the past what was best for ENIC was best for Spurs, but that is no longer neccessarily the case.

 

[SpurSince57]

Which makes the events of the past couple of months even more incomprehensible.

 

[joey55]

Which makes the events of the past couple of months even more incomprehensible.

Not really actually. I can't be bothered to go into it all, but the whole Ramos thing makes a lot of sense from ENICs point of view. Key to making money in football is success on the pitch, so we have to show to potenatial investors that we haven't made £30 million in profit at the expense of success (we have). Two 5th places show we are close to competing at CL level, but last season we dropped further away rather than moved forward. Heaven forbid this be because we didn't have the right kind of players (the kind that prevent £30 million profits and don't have sustainbale value). So it's the fault of the coach.

 

[southlondonyiddo]

Not really actually. I can't be bothered to go into it all, but the whole Ramos thing makes a lot of sense from ENICs point of view. Key to making money in football is success on the pitch, so we have to show to potenatial investors that we haven't made £30 million in profit at the expense of success (we have). Two 5th places show we are close to competing at CL level, but last season we dropped further away rather than moved forward. Heaven forbid this be because we didn't have the right kind of players (the kind that prevent £30 million profits and don't have sustainbale value). So it's the fault of the coach.

That's Bollox

In Jol's first season we played 40 games finishing 5th in the league, getting knocked out of both cups at the first stage

In his 2nd season we played 59 games, progressed in all 3 cups and finished 5th in the league again.

That is moving forward.

 

[stemark44]

Well Joey we will see in January how many of the right players we actually have!

 

[SpurSince57]

Obviously.

SLY, we did drop back a little in the league last season (not nearly as much as Liverpool, though). Given our injury list, summer buys which didn't strengthen the squad that much (and arguably weakened it), and 20 more games, that's not bad. It was good enough for most of us, and, apparently, the board. And then suddenly it wasn't.

I found it very amusing that when I made a couple of posts suggesting that Benitez has had zero impact as far as the league is concerned, and that Liverpool's CL triumph and FA Cup win were pretty jammy, there was a rush of SC members to defend him.

The sooner Levy and ENIC fuck off, the happier I'll be.

 

[joey55]

That's Bollox

In Jol's first season we played 40 games finishing 5th in the league, getting knocked out of both cups at the first stage

In his 2nd season we played 59 games, progressed in all 3 cups and finished 5th in the league again.

That is moving forward.

But not towards the financial rewards of the CL. We finshed on about 6 pts less than the previous season. Basically we finished further away from the money than we did the previous season. So from ENICs point of view and any potential investors point of view, we moved backwards.

 

[karennina]

I think, since Hoddle left, Levy/ENIC have been hoping to actually make money from player trading, and perhaps see no reason not to to this with a CL standard squad - just a matter of larger sums and higher quality stock.

Whatever their selling plans are, I think their ideal over the last few years has been to simultaneously: run the club at an annual profit, increase the value of the squad/plc, and increase footballing success year on year. They want to have their cake and eat it too by qualifying for the CL using the current youth/investment policy.

 

[Juande_Ramos]

Last night Juande Ramos was interviewed again in another radio station.
They said that Levy told Getafe chairman that he would do anything to get his man a.s.p. Juande Ramos said that he was contacted at 11 pm that night after the game. He justified leaving Sevilla now in the middle of the season saying that the atmosphere at the club had somewhat changed regarding his status after a few consecutive defeats (sounded like a poor excuse to me). He also said that clubs can sack coaches or not renew their contracts and nothing happens but since he's left he has almost been treated like a criminal. He also said that it was now or never getting this chance of managing Spurs.
Then he reiterated that it is a lie that he wants to sign Kanoute or Alves. He also said that he is not going to sign any Sevilla player.
Finally they ask him about his power at the club with respect to signings and said that he can recommend players or suggest type of players, but he doesn't have full control. BTW the fourth member involved in signings is the club secretary.

 

[arthurgrimsdell]

starting to think hudd will have no place in a ramos team.

Only if Ramos is silly enough to think that pace is about little legs pumping rather than taking large strides, and ignores the fact the required pace is as much in the brain and in the delivery of the ball as in running.

 

[InOffMeLeftShin]

Only if Ramos is silly enough to think that pace is about little legs pumping rather than taking large strides, and ignores the fact the required pace is as much in the brain and in the delivery of the ball as in running.

Still, Ramos will most likely play a heavy pressing central midfield that will be asked to close down and get tight to opposition as possible, covering a lot of ground for a whole 90 minutes. Whether the Hudd has long legs or not, he clearly is going to struggle with that kind of role. I don't see him having the stamina, maneouverability or the aggression for that type of game.

 

[llamafarmer]

Cheers for posting that JR - rep coming your way!

I like Ramos more and more all the time, he sounds focused and knowledgable and I think he'll have us playing quality football very soon!

 

[knilly]

I think, since Hoddle left, Levy/ENIC have been hoping to actually make money from player trading, and perhaps see no reason not to to this with a CL standard squad - just a matter of larger sums and higher quality stock.

Whatever their selling plans are, I think their ideal over the last few years has been to simultaneously: run the club at an annual profit, increase the value of the squad/plc, and increase footballing success year on year. They want to have their cake and eat it too by qualifying for the CL using the current youth/investment policy.

having just read that, i think your spot on.

if this is their plan, i see it as a stepping stone to ultimately achieving CL. It might not be nice being viewed as a feeder club for the top 4 ( carrick and berba in the summer) but its better than having no one want our players (rebrov).

 

[donny1013]

His love of wide players is what i'm looking forward too. and the hope that Lennon gets back to the sort of form he showed two years ago. A month down the line and i feel we will have a good idea about how he wants us to play and who he wants to be part of the future.