Keane statistic - Keane vs Bergkamp

[Spurs_Q8]

Hello mates

First part: Keane Statistics
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for non-Spurs fans, it could be easily to see Robbie Keane criticized for his poor start with Liverpool and a lot of questions about his price, yes he was really Tottenham man and not surprised by our asking price, all praise to Daniel Levy to manage that for 28 year old striker.

as i just wanted to tell the fact for some of these people that Robbie Keane made smilar starts with Tottenham in some years and always started his best days in the season starting from december. As they don't follow Spurs too much, they could think i would defend him because he is ex-Spurs, but as spurs fan we all know that he wasn't that superb week in week out and they quickly blaming Benitez or him as he isn't good enough for Liverpool etc.. , so i made statistics and would love to tell you it:

my thoughts about his form started since december ( last part of first first half of the season ) , so my statistics will be: ( his score until the end of Nov. , in dec., 1st half of season, 2nd half of the season ) because i can't just start with dec. and include it with the season 2nd half season, here are statistics and some notes:-

1st season 2002-2003:
- first goal: in 6-10 vs Blackburn.
- until 30 november: scored only 4 goals. ( 9-10-11 as signed later in August )
- only in december: scored 2 goals
- total 1st half: 6 goals
- total 2nd half: 7 goals ( hatrick v Everton in jan. )
- note: Tottenham were very poor in 2nd half after selling Robrov/Ferdinand without replacement, Doherty played as striker.

2nd season 2003-2004:
- first goal: in 23-9 vs Cardiff in League cup, first league goal in 5-10 vs Everton
- until 30 november: scored only 3 goals.
- only in december: scored 3 goals
- total 1st half: 6 goals
- total 2nd half: 10 goals
- note: Tottenham were very poor in 2nd half after selling Robrov/Ferdinand without replacement, Doherty played as striker.

3rd season 2004-2005:
- first goal: in 22-9 vs Oldham in League cup, first league goal in 5-23 vs Bolton
- until 30 november: scored only 5 goals.
- only in december: scored 3 goals
- total 1st half: 8 goals
- total 2nd half: 9 goals

4th season 2005-2006:
- first goal: in 17-9 vs Aston Villa
- until 30 november: scored only 3 goals.
- only in december: scored 3 goals
- total 1st half: 6 goals
- total 2nd half: 10 goals

5th season 2006-2007:
- first goal: in 25-10 vs MK dons in League cup, first league goal in 12-11 va Reading
- until 30 november: scored only 4 goals.
- only in december: scored only 1 goal
- total 1st half: 5 goals
- total 2nd half: 17 goals
- note: injuried in dec. vs Middlesbrough after he scored Spurs win, out for around 6 weeks and stated that on official site, it was the worst christmas for him.

6th season 2007-2008:
- first goal: in 20-9 against team from Cyprus in UEFA cup, first league goal in 23-9 va Bolton
- until 30 november: scored only 10 goals.
- only in december: scored only 4 goal
- total 1st half: 14 goals
- total 2nd half: 9 goals
- note: clear moregames in 1st half of the season, poorer teams, lack of desire to win games in 2nd part of the season after League cup win, UEFA cup quick knock.

Keane summary:
goals from december (all goals in the season)
1st season: 9 goals from (13)
2nd season: 13 goals from (16)
3rd season: 11 goals from (17)
4th season: 13 goals from (16)
5th season: 18 goals from (22)
6th season: 13 goals from (23)

It isn't good way to defend him, but i told all people it was normal start by Keane, and some Liverpool fans tell me they are really more optimstic about him now to start his form during the important part of the season if he stays fit.

second part: Keane Vs Bergkamp​

then Arsenal fan claimed that Robbie Keane don't worth £20m, he is just good striker at his best, never class and never will be, don't know about the 'class word' to be honest, but it was strong statement by Arsenal fan.

CLASS ? then i turned back to their claim about Adebayor is Class. interesting one .. as any footballer won't deny that Adebyaor playered with a lot of consisent performer than keane, upfront very highly rated fullbacks in Sagna & Clichy, very good DM in Flamini, and class creative players in Fabregas & Hleb. so who that class one Adebayor score 24 goals in the same time Robbie Keane score 23 goals for a team finished 11th with just Berbatov as right hand man .. and played as second striker some games, not smilar situation for their target man.

PRICE ? for Liverpool, it might be right as they don't have enoguh resources, but for Tottenham no, but in modern football we know the prices in EPL, but i turned back to their legend Dennis Bergkamp, who rated as Class by them, i really rate his talanted but both Keane & Bergkamp aren't target men, and Bergkamp signed for £7m in 1995, and i asked him to compare the prices in 80s, 90s, start of 2000 and the second part of 2002 by particular as more investment in EPL transfers.

so it would be nice to compare

* Keane (28 year old) for £19m in 2008 .. at his best days:
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* Bergkamp (26 year old) for £7m in 1995 ( who struggled in last 2 seasons with inter accodring to wiki ):
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they could easily his average score was poor due to he played more and until the end of his career, right, without last three seasons ( he played six years with Arsenal like Keane with Tottenham ) ..

Both in SIX years
Bergkamp: 83 goals in 222 aprearances (00.37%)
Keane: 107 in 253 appearances (42.29%)

for the record, Robbie Keane also foced a huge competition and Rotation with Kanoute & Defoe. Let alone the lack of class creative player during the years.

so, if Keane isn't worth of £19m in 2008 ? Is Bergkamp really worth £7m in 1995 ?

and sorry if there are errors in language, as always ;P

best regards.​

 

[AngerManagement]

Bergkamp was by far the better player.

Regardless of what the stats suggest Bergkamp was a class above Keane ever has been.

Much of his contribution and class may be intangible to stats which are often misleading, but in my opinion Bergkamp was the catalyst to turn Arsenal from an average Premier league team to title winners and basically the power house of European football they are today.

Keane was/is a great player, but no way could or can he have such an effect on a team as that which Bergkamp brought to Arsenal.

Put it this way, if I had the choice to swap us buying Keane from Leeds when we did for us buying Bergkamp from Inter when they did I would do so in a heartbeat.

 

[scat1620]

Bergkamp was by far the better player.

Regardless of what the stats suggest Bergkamp was a class above Keane ever has been.

Much of his contribution and class may be intangible to stats which are often misleading, but in my opinion Bergkamp was the catalyst to turn Arsenal from an average Premier league team to title winners and basically the power house of European football they are today.

Keane was/is a great player, but no way could or can he have such an effect on a team as that which Bergkamp brought to Arsenal.

Put it this way, if I had the choice to swap us buying Keane from Leeds when we did for us buying Bergkamp from Inter when they did I would do so in a heartbeat.

This, though it pains me to say it.

Bergkamp was, and still is, an utterly loathsome dirty **** though, mind.

 

[Mornstar]

you're comparing peaches with plums (keano beign the plum)

 

[Flatters]

:rofl:

Next week: Defoe vs Pele

 

[SpurSince57]

Did I dream the last three months? Keano hasn't gone to Liverpool, then?

 

[Bowlesinho]

A strikers play should be more than just about goals though. If you are going to just use stats then Bent is better than Berbs and Keane this season as he has 3 in 6 and the other 2 haven't scored!

That said I thought your article clearly showed how RK blossomed for us, there's no doubt RK was class for us, I thank him for it, but he was no Bergkamp.

Does anyone else think Robbie might be regretting his decision a bit? I know he's playing CL and we're bottom of the league but he must've realised by now Rafa is going to keep playing him on the left.

 

[General Levy]

fuck me this is a classic.

No matter how you paint the picture Bergkamp was better then Keane ever was and ever will be.

 

[Spurs_Q8]

I didn't meant Keane is better, no way for that,

but i meant if someone says Keane didn't deserve £19m ( yes i could agree that was too much for Liverpool but for us it's realistic ) , according to wiki, Bergkamp failed in Italy for two seasons and sold for £7.5m.

Keane sold after 3 good seasons, Bergkamb deserved his price after what he did for Arsenal, but when the price paid in 1995 ? smilar one to Keane nowadays.

 

[higgoboss]

Perhaps if keane played in a team with viera and henry he would have looked even better

 

[Bonjour]

Bergkamp - Footballing genius
Keane - Liverpool's current 3rd best striker

 

[teddyboy]

The only thing Robbie (the greedy leprecon) Keane is better at than Berkamp is being an airline passenger.


What a f**ked up post.



I know we all hate the scum but it’s this sort of post that make me and fellow spurs fans look like Muppets...!!

 

[JKSpurs]

couldn't be bothered to read through all your facts and figures and to be honest don't need to, Bergkamp is a far superior player.

 

[legend2]

got any assists figures?

Bergkamp was definitely the more talented player, no question in my mind about that, but keane for all his comparative limitations was extremely effective and people shouldn't forget that out of bitterness.

 

[AngerManagement]

Perhaps if keane played in a team with viera and henry he would have looked even better

Perhaps Keane would have looked even better then he did along side BErbatov.

I doubt he would have looked better the Bergkamp though.

Football is a game of opinions of course so what I say is simply my opinion of course

But Bergkamp is to Arsenal what Cantona is to Man Utd.

The reason they are where/what the are today.

Before Bergkamp Arsenal were a spent force, their days of glory under Graham were well behind them and they looked and were a midtable team with no hope of challanging for the title.

He was signed and brought a level of quality to them similar to that Cantona brought to Man U. He raised the standard of the club in general, his ability no doubt raised the quality of those around him, helped those reach their potential.

I would suggest he is a big part of the reason Henry became the player he did. Certainly he elevated Arsenal to become a team with the cutting edge and class to challange and surpace Man Utd (for a period)

Of course Wenger is ultimately responcible for Arsenal's rise, but I think Bergkamps impact is not to be underestimated, and this is not an impact Keane could have ever had on a club imho.

Anyway, I would say one of my biggest footballing regrets is that a post Klinsmann Sugar turned his nose up at Begkamp and the Carlos kickaballs in favour of Armstrong and Fox.