Kyle Walker

[TEESSIDE1]

If there was no interest from City or anyone in particular and I came on here out of the blue and asked "if Walker was to be sold how much should we ask for him" how many of us would have said £50million or more? Be honest.

I'd have snapped City's hand off for £30m prior to end of season transfer dealings. Since the rumoured fees for various players and the grossly inflated fees paid already this summer it's now very difficult to put a value on Walker. £50m is a lot of money but with the amount of money in football at the moment, this time next year it's looking like £40-50m will be the going rate for someone who's decent and not or anywhere near the best in his position. £50m for Walker? more like £60-70m with the way the market is going.

 

[Hoddle&Waddle]

Let's not sign anyone then since no one is going to walk into our 1st eleven.

Not what I was saying, I'm saying why would Iheanacho want the move, not us.

 

[ginger]

If there was no interest from City or anyone in particular and I came on here out of the blue and asked "if Walker was to be sold how much should we ask for him" how many of us would have said £50million or more? Be honest.

It's obviously a different price to the team that finished 1 place below you and is seeking to steal 15 million of prize fees, champions league pool money and intangibles every year by damaging our first 11. Its the equivalent of a 6 pointer derby, that he doesn't just weaken us but strengthen them and the margins between us are so slim that he IS likely to make the difference in the short term.

He is our right wing back in a 343 and should be compared in his pricing with midfielders not just defenders- Wingback is a very different role to Right back.

This summer Man City have set the record price for a GK, for a player from france and currently they have set a world record price for a defender at c50m for Stones.

The leaked claim (always obviously false) that Walker was leaving for more first team football has been made obviously false by their anxiety to speed the Alves signing. It was always about money plain and simple that they have offered almost 3 times his salary, to a rivals player- and that money qualifies the fee we'd expect. It's an obvious case of economic war and destabilization attempt by a nation-state bankrolled club, so the price-tag will have to reflect the pain of declaring this war not some fictional 'fair market value' to poor Kyle. As a club we will have top make the price of dealing with us so extreme that interference of this nature becomes a poor battle strategy. That is what is at stake far more than the simple question of whether in the medium term we can cash in on this deal and upgrade on Walker. I've no doubt that 18 months from now we will be a stronger technical side with a Pereira and Trippier might also be replaced by KW-P too...but in the short term they will be strengthened at our expense.

I think we will reject 50million at this point in the summer too tbh- the transfer market is a contextual beast and the VVD pricing in the 60m+ range is a factor whether they like it or not. There will likely be a whole host of stipulations in any sale, like fines for attempting to sign any of our domestic targets this summer to remove City from being stalking horse bidders used against us...them paying the 5% to Sheffield United... The deal being completed on a timescale that works for us to bring in replacements- him not playing in the US against us... We shouldn't be dictated to on this deal, and cannot allow ourselves to be, as it is precedent setting.

To get the english first choice player at his peak, when you are desperate for home grown players and have 'set-the market' so to speak with other record signings this and last summer (contrary to reports Silva-arguably another 'right midfield player- cost about 70m in total) and are destabilizing your rivals in the process demands that every stipulation we make is granted.

I'd predict a final price in the mid 50's in the next two weeks and a host of other clauses that make it clear that should they return for Ali next year they needn't pick up the phone unless there is a 2 before the beginning -and we aint talking 20's!

Everything I've ever seen of him in the last 20 years makes me confident that THIS...Our Danny boy has got covered.

 

[SEANSPURS1975]

We have to show we mean business.
We have to show we're a big club.
We have to show we are not a selling club especially to a direct rival in our own league.
If a Barcelona or Real Madrid came in, it's hard to stop a player from joining them if the price was right.
But Manchester City? Absolutely no way.
We should not sell the best right-back in the league to Man City under any circumstance.

 

[ginger]

We have to show we mean business.
We have to show we're a big club.
We have to show we are not a selling club especially to a direct rival in our own league.
If a Barcelona or Real Madrid came in, it's hard to stop a player from joining them if the price was right.
But Manchester City? Absolutely no way.
We should not sell the best right-back in the league to Man City under any circumstance.

What if by 2018/19 he won't be and this is the peak price we can get while giving space for better technical players to overtake him? I agree with the principle, and need to walk away from this deal clearly perceived as 'winners' in the transaction but there is still a concept of leaving space to upgrade at the right time which doesn't diminish our status/stature as a club. If Fergie can swap Ince, Stam, Beckham when he felt they peaked etc and continue to outperform previous years, we can too. Just if we do it domestically to the 'doped' clubs we need to be smart in extracting every last pound. That being said we are at a place where 35m from abroad is worth more to us than 50m from Manchester imo.

 

[nailsy]

Since they were bought by the oil sheikhs, I haven't seen much evidence of them being concerned about resale values.

No, but effectively writing off over £50m for a right back is going over and above the transfers that they've already been involved in.

 

[Colonel Dax]

If Fergie can swap Ince, Stam, Beckham when he felt they peaked etc and continue to outperform previous years, we can too.

Ferguson didn't sell those players to rival domestic teams.

Nor should we IMO. I know I've said it before on here but Walker's potential departure really bothers me. It would just send out all the wrong signals about our status and ambition.

 

[Hoddle&Waddle]

Ferguson didn't sell those players to rival domestic teams.

Nor should we IMO. I know I've said it before on here but Walker's potential departure really bothers me. It would just send out all the wrong signals about our status and ambition.

True, but it wouldnt be happening unless Poch has given the green light. So as much as it might leave a sour taste I think we've just got to back the Manager on this.

 

[L-man]

Salt required

 

[coys200]

When do we go on our travels for pre season ? Imagine levy will lock Kyle in hotel room with no phone.

 

[VegasII]

When do we go on our travels for pre season ? Imagine levy will lock Kyle in hotel room with no phone.

The N'Koudou method

 

[Johnny J]

It's obviously a different price to the team that finished 1 place below you and is seeking to steal 15 million of prize fees, champions league pool money and intangibles every year by damaging our first 11. Its the equivalent of a 6 pointer derby, that he doesn't just weaken us but strengthen them and the margins between us are so slim that he IS likely to make the difference in the short term.

He is our right wing back in a 343 and should be compared in his pricing with midfielders not just defenders- Wingback is a very different role to Right back.

This summer Man City have set the record price for a GK, for a player from france and currently they have set a world record price for a defender at c50m for Stones.

The leaked claim (always obviously false) that Walker was leaving for more first team football has been made obviously false by their anxiety to speed the Alves signing. It was always about money plain and simple that they have offered almost 3 times his salary, to a rivals player- and that money qualifies the fee we'd expect. It's an obvious case of economic war and destabilization attempt by a nation-state bankrolled club, so the price-tag will have to reflect the pain of declaring this war not some fictional 'fair market value' to poor Kyle. As a club we will have top make the price of dealing with us so extreme that interference of this nature becomes a poor battle strategy. That is what is at stake far more than the simple question of whether in the medium term we can cash in on this deal and upgrade on Walker. I've no doubt that 18 months from now we will be a stronger technical side with a Pereira and Trippier might also be replaced by KW-P too...but in the short term they will be strengthened at our expense.

I think we will reject 50million at this point in the summer too tbh- the transfer market is a contextual beast and the VVD pricing in the 60m+ range is a factor whether they like it or not. There will likely be a whole host of stipulations in any sale, like fines for attempting to sign any of our domestic targets this summer to remove City from being stalking horse bidders used against us...them paying the 5% to Sheffield United... The deal being completed on a timescale that works for us to bring in replacements- him not playing in the US against us... We shouldn't be dictated to on this deal, and cannot allow ourselves to be, as it is precedent setting.

To get the english first choice player at his peak, when you are desperate for home grown players and have 'set-the market' so to speak with other record signings this and last summer (contrary to reports Silva-arguably another 'right midfield player- cost about 70m in total) and are destabilizing your rivals in the process demands that every stipulation we make is granted.

I'd predict a final price in the mid 50's in the next two weeks and a host of other clauses that make it clear that should they return for Ali next year they needn't pick up the phone unless there is a 2 before the beginning -and we aint talking 20's!

Everything I've ever seen of him in the last 20 years makes me confident that THIS...Our Danny boy has got covered.

This post is fucking brilliant.

 

[Snarfalicious]

I honestly don't know what to think about this one anymore.

 

[Spurger King]

I like Walker a lot, but he's usually my first port of call when looking for a weak link. That's not to say that when he's on top of his game he's not one of the finest right-sided players in Europe. He's also perfectly suited to Pochettino's usual set-up.

Walker has improved defensively, and in terms of getting quality crosses into the box he's gone to another level. Not an issue the season before last when all of our full-backs were alternating and challenging one another, but with Trippier becoming arguably our most potent crossing threat it could easily have ruffled Walker's feathers.

Internally I'm not so worried. Pochettino wants to create a positive atmosphere at the club, and if Walker can't be part of that, then don't let the door hit you on the way out. We can speculate on players seeing this as an indication that kicking up a fuss leads to a big money transfer, but we can also consider the impact it has on the squad seeing a manager unwilling to compromise because of one dissenting voice. We all saw how he dealt with Ade, Lennon, Capoue, and the others. That's going to be respected by a lot of players.

My biggest concern is how this appears outwardly.

 

[SpartanSpur]

I like Walker a lot, but he's usually my first port of call when looking for a weak link. That's not to say that when he's on top of his game he's not one of the finest right-sided players in Europe. He's also perfectly suited to Pochettino's usual set-up.

Walker has improved defensively, and in terms of getting quality crosses into the box he's gone to another level. Not an issue the season before last when all of our full-backs were alternating and challenging one another, but with Trippier becoming arguably our most potent crossing threat it could easily have ruffled Walker's feathers.

Internally I'm not so worried. Pochettino wants to create a positive atmosphere at the club, and if Walker can't be part of that, then don't let the door hit you on the way out. We can speculate on players seeing this as an indication that kicking up a fuss leads to a big money transfer, but we can also consider the impact it has on the squad seeing a manager unwilling to compromise because of one dissenting voice. We all saw how he dealt with Ade, Lennon, Capoue, and the others. That's going to be respected by a lot of players.

My biggest concern is how this appears outwardly.

Agree with all of this especially the last bit.

I like Walks (how could I not after so many years at the club) and would be happy for him to stay, I agree his crossing is improving and he is more consistently composed these days, but Pochettino's record with developing full backs makes me very calm.

I'm easy either way, but I'm siding with wanting him to stay because it's to a PL rival and it brings up the selling club argument again, rightly or wrongly.

 

[yankspurs]

What if by 2018/19 he won't be and this is the peak price we can get while giving space for better technical players to overtake him? I agree with the principle, and need to walk away from this deal clearly perceived as 'winners' in the transaction but there is still a concept of leaving space to upgrade at the right time which doesn't diminish our status/stature as a club. If Fergie can swap Ince, Stam, Beckham when he felt they peaked etc and continue to outperform previous years, we can too. Just if we do it domestically to the 'doped' clubs we need to be smart in extracting every last pound. That being said we are at a place where 35m from abroad is worth more to us than 50m from Manchester imo.

So what if hes not worth as much in a few years? So should we sell Kane in a few years when a club is willing to pay £200m+ for him because his value would diminish afterward? Because thats what you're essentially saying. At some point, if we are going to progress as a club and want to be thought of as a bigger we need to hold firm and not sell our best players. We are so close to winning the league title and all i see is people advocating selling someone in our first XI who also just so happens to be the best RB in the league. Utterly baffling.

What if he helps us win the title in the next year or 2? Are you still gonna say we should have sold him? Doubt it.

What would it say to the current squad if we sold Walker? How do you say we're ambitious when you've just gone and sold the best RB in the league to a league rival after we were so close to winning the league 2 years in a row? You cant do it. Even prospective players would have trouble buying it.

We still need to show ambition as is. Selling Walker makes it impossible to do so. We need to keep Walker and also bring in a quality player who can compete for a place in the XI(something we dont even look to be trying to do this summer, unfortunately)

 

[voxy28]

I like Walker and he should not be sold to strengthen our title rival, period.

I dont know about people saying using the money to strengthen the squad, but with a paltry 50m -60m we get from this sale, we weaken our right wing back position and probably buy mediocre replacement and a "high" potential attacker, prob Barkley with the rest of the money. This is a bad deal IMO.... no matter how you look at it.

I rather we clear out Sissoko, Nkoudo and Jansen and put in some more money to buy proven players in striker and att mid position. That will strengthen us.

 

[iddebu52]

Kyle is Tottenham. Nuff said!

 

[Hoopspur]

Walker has traditionally been used as a bit of a model for kits. I reckon the new kit launch may well give an indication or two. No evidence, just thinking out loud.

 

[Krule]

Walker has traditionally been used as a bit of a model for kits. I reckon the new kit launch may well give an indication or two. No evidence, just thinking out loud.

Checkout the picture in my thread on Spurs Chat entitled "Who Is This And Why ?"....might be a clue there.