Lamela tries to kick-start his Spurs career with summer fitness programme in Argentina

Discussion in 'Spurscommunity Front Page News' started by gusrowe, May 29, 2014.

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Discussion in 'Spurscommunity Front Page News' started by gusrowe, May 29, 2014.

  1. slartibartfast
    Have to agree with most of your post.
    Fact is he has not got pace.
    He has not shown much in the way of ball control and repeatedly kept knocking it too far in front of him.
    He is/was far too weak for PL football.
    He was not worth anywhere near what we paid for him.
    However I cant believe we paid that much for someone who hasnt got something special in his locker (Bloody hope not anyway),
    If he strengthens we may get to see it but I dont think anyone can put hand on heart and say we've seen anything at all yet in a Spurs shirt.
    Heres to hoping it works out.
  2. @Bobby__Lucky
    You proved me correct by saying he was given an exemption.

    It is widely noted that the drugs give him abnormal acceleration and strength, so to use your terminology FFS, why is he allowed to compete?
    It does not correct an abnormality it gives him an abnormal platform from which to perform. Dwarfs aren't abnormal they are just born within the spectrum of different traits, so no I don't agree with your statement, but that's fine, we can remain different on this subject.
  3. Locotoro
    Finally, someone who knows something about strength and conditioning.

    If anyone think Ronaldo got the way he is now by using bands and machines they are mistaken. I can guarantee that his training regime involves lots of heavy compound and Olympic style lifts, probably some flexibility and agility work and lots of football
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  4. Gaz_Gammon

    I strongly disagree with you summing up........

    When fit and playing in Poch's system he will deliver.


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  5. davidmatzdorf
    Indeed. But if anyone thinks Lamela is going to turn into a better footballer by following Ronaldo's example, I think they they are mistaken. For one thing, he hasn't got the pace for it.

    One of the beauties of football is that, unlike (say) basketball, players with widely, indeed wildly different body types can excel in different roles. If Lamela is going to achieve his potential, he's going to have to retain suppleness and balance, as well as developing core strength - as opposed to bulky, powerful limbs and enormous pecs. I know (from experience) that a regimen such as Pilates is ideal for building torso strength and especially balance, as well as improving flexibility and increasing resistance to muscle injuries. What it doesn't do is to get you ripped, like Ronaldo.

    After 18 years of weekly Pilates, I can lift heavy objects with more ease than I could when I was 20 years younger, but that's not because I have lifted heavy objects thousands of times using my arm and leg muscles. It's because I have strengthened the scores of muscles in my back, abdomen and the rest of my torso, which keep me balanced and enable me to lift without hunching, humping, yanking and straining.

    Back to Lamela. He needs to develop upper body strength, but he doesn't want to become a bull. He needs that strength to resist physical harassment on the pitch, so he can keep doing what he wanted to do. To do that, he wants to be strong like a bamboo cane, not like a tree trunk.

    At the moment, he is neither and the result is that he cannot execute what he wants to do and is an ineffective footballer.
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  6. davidmatzdorf
    I'm not seeing much of a major disagreement here. My main point of difference was with your suggestion that Messi 'gets away' with this in football in a way that would not be tolerated in other sports.

    And his supposedly exceptional speed is largely speed of thought, which I don't think is much affected by HGH. He's way ahead of the game in his head. Had he not already been exceptionally gifted before the HGH period, then no major football club would have invested in such unusual attention and treatment for a tiny young man with metabolic problems.

    I don't want to get into a debate on the definitions of 'abnormal' or 'disablity', but Messi had a deficiency of HGH, not just a 'spectrum of different traits'. I don't see how his treatment differs from treatment for hypothyroidism, another hormonal deficiency. They both have symptoms that many people find undesirable and they are both treatable.
  7. NorthSide
    I gave this a thumbs up. Partly because I'm so obviously a dm sycophant and partly because he's right about "you're".
    Oh, and because I enjoy reading thoughtful prose.
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  8. GeneralBurk
    Skill and physicality are not mutually exclusive though.

    Bale and Ronaldo have both benefitted from becoming more athletic and physically stronger.

    I do agree with your overall view of having footballers over athletes.

    It's a bit like Usain Bolt being the theoretical sprinter who can take the least amount of steps to complete the 100m given his huge athletic frame. This only works if he can combine it with his technique.
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  9. SlunkSoma
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  10. vigospur
    Now I know where I went wrong.
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  11. Roscilous
    Brian Lamela is his brother. He's constantly updating what's going on with Erik.
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  12. 1882andallthat
    We don't need teach Lamela to be any more elusive than he has been so far
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  13. Greenspur
    Wow. I wrote six or seven words. You wrote a complete chapter of some kind. I know very little about body types. Clearly, you do.

    But to say that it is an "invidious and misleading comparison" means that either you don't understand the meaning of the word "invidious", you don't understand what I was trying to say, or you yourself are invidious.

    Do you get some kind of pleasure from being unpleasant?
  14. michaelden
    I agree. I read a few very good articles on it ages ago, but I do wonder, in an age where 2 win results can mean the difference between £15M and £40M, would a team be as ethical and not slightly over-medicate to help boost injury recovery etc...
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  15. Shadydan
    Did someone really say Lamela has no close control...Jesus wept!
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  16. michaelden
    as Lamela wouldn't let him near the ball :)
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  17. whitechina
    I don't think him being away from the UK is a good thing. last season we kept hearing he wasn't settling in the UK and now he's "gone home" to build up his fitness. Why not do this in the UK with the club who pay his wages, where he should try to settle. This cries in the face of a spoilt little sh1t to me. I want him to do well. Get to London, work hard, play well, settle and become a professional!
  18. Shadydan
    Or maybe his rehab is better served in his own country?

    Certainly not the 1st player to go gone for rehab, definitely won't be the last.
  19. mawspurs
    Because he was much stronger physically than Lamella is. Which proves my point.
  20. JoeT
    Thanks for your comment peter, however you didn't say how you would improve my ideas, which, due to my concern about posting too much detail on here, I never did expand on.
    My background is/was in cross-country ski racing where both specific strength and endurance are paramount. The endurance phase of training would take place in the summer with 30-40 kilometer roller-ski and skating sessions (on in-line roller blades c/w. poles) would be done 2-3 times weekly outdoors. These would be combined with indoor sessions using elastic tubing in a specific way: either attached to the ankle as a resistance to the 'kicking' ski motion or to the hands as resistance to a 'double-poling' motion.
    Also outdoor sessions of 'plyometric' workouts would be done on foot; either 'bounding' up hills or - more advanced, one legged hopping sessions - probably up a steep hill x 10-20 times. Weight machines would also be used 1 -2 times a week concentrating on resistance to total body movements similar to those when cross-country skiing i.e. back and triceps development. The total monthly hours spent training in this way - for the top skiers - often exceeds 100 hours.
    If Erik Lamela completed such a period of training - with the specifics adjusted to football obviously and maybe with a little less hours spent - would he not greatly benefit?
    Your response would be appreciated.
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