Lamela

[jezz]

So constantly giving the ball away is not costing the team? Wow.

Why aren't you bringing this up in the Eriksen and Chadli or Mason thread?
Because currently there doing it more than Lamela and by your standard they really are costing us games.

 

[Hoddle&Waddle]

Why aren't you bringing this up in the Eriksen and Chadli or Mason thread?
Because currently doing it more than Lamela and by your standard they really are costing us games.

I'm not a massive fan of Chadli or Mason either TBH. Eriksen has his off games but still remains the best passer in the team. Anyway, back to the Lamela thread...

 

[jezz]

I'm not a massive fan of Chadli or Mason either TBH. Eriksen has his off games but still remains the best passer in the team. Anyway, back to the Lamela thread...

Ok any other bias you want to mention or is that it?

 

[Hoddle&Waddle]

Ok any other bias you want to mention or is that it?

Its not bias when in my opinion Lamela was piss poor tonight, deal with it.

 

[mrlilywhite]

Why aren't you bringing this up in the Eriksen and Chadli or Mason thread?
Because currently doing it more than Lamela and by your standard they really are costing us games.

Nope,nope thats just wrong. You can't come in here saying that about Eriksen, he only cost £10m, Don't you know? Chadli cost even less and Eriksen scores shed loads of freekicks !

 

[Hoddle&Waddle]

Nope,nope thats just wrong. You can't come in here saying that about Eriksen, he only cost £10m, Don't you know? Chadli cost even less and Eriksen scores shed loads of freekicks !

You cant when Eriksen has been one of our best players this season.

 

[jezz]

You cant when Eriksen has been one of our best players this season.

How was Eriksen tonight?

 

[scat1620]

Nope,nope thats just wrong. You can't come in here saying that about Eriksen, he only cost £10m, Don't you know? Chadli cost even less and Eriksen scores shed loads of freekicks !

I get your argument that you don't think a player's transfer fee should play a part in how we assess them (I don't agree with it, but I acknowledge it's one way of looking at things). But with reference to the part of your post that I've bolded, are you trying to say that people give Eriksen an easier time than Lamela purely because of Eriksen's goal record? I mean, there's no denying that Eriksen's goal record *is* and should be more celebrated than Lamela's, but if you're saying that's the only difference in their overall contribution to our first team then I'd massively, MASSIVELY disagree.

 

[Hoddle&Waddle]

How was Eriksen tonight?

A lot better than Lamela.

 

[mrlilywhite]

I'm not a massive fan of Chadli or Mason either TBH. Eriksen has his off games but still remains the best passer in the team. Anyway, back to the Lamela thread...

Eriksen has had a lot more off games of late. Define best passer? To me it is subjective as when you are playing in the position Eriksen occupies, your passing ability is defined by the assists you make and frankly he has been piss poor this season. Last season he had 10 assists, which whilst not bad, is not great either. Eriksen by virtue of pass % has 82% and Chadli has 83% with more assists. In my opinion Eriksen, given that his position is renowned as a passing specialist role is under performing. I feel his goal contribution is the biggest part of his game, not his passing!

 

[Spurs_Bear]

Eriksen has had a lot more off games of late. Define best passer? To me it is subjective as when you are playing in the position Eriksen occupies, your passing ability is defined by the assists you make and frankly he has been piss poor this season. Last season he had 10 assists, which whilst not bad, is not great either. Eriksen by virtue of pass % has 82% and Chadli has 83% with more assists. In my opinion Eriksen, given that his position is renowned as a passing specialist role is under performing. I feel his goal contribution is the biggest part of his game, not his passing!

Problem is you can't take 'assists' as an accurate account of indication, as it's totally dependant on the person on the other end of it. Only way to compare is with 'chances created', that way you will see who is making more/same as previous seasons.

Pass completion is also a load of arse as well, one of the most pointless there is,

 

[Hoddle&Waddle]

Eriksen has had a lot more off games of late. Define best passer? To me it is subjective as when you are playing in the position Eriksen occupies, your passing ability is defined by the assists you make and frankly he has been piss poor this season. Last season he had 10 assists, which whilst not bad, is not great either. Eriksen by virtue of pass % has 82% and Chadli has 83% with more assists. In my opinion Eriksen, given that his position is renowned as a passing specialist role is under performing. I feel his goal contribution is the biggest part of his game, not his passing!

Its subjective, but if you believe there's a better passer in the team fine. It's not all about assists anyway, Modric rarely got any but was by far the best passer we had at the time, imo of course.

 

[Blake Griffin]

Problem is you can't take 'assists' as an accurate account of indication, as it's totally dependant on the person on the other end of it. Only way to compare is with 'chances created', that way you will see who is making more/same as previous seasons.

Pass completion is also a load of arse as well, one of the most pointless there is,

most of these stats are completely and utterly pointless, any outsider viewing this thread would be thinking what a bunch of fucking weirdos. the tribalism is part and parcel but the number gonks are getting out of hand.

 

[jezz]

Its subjective, but if you believe there's a better passer in the team fine. It's not all about assists anyway, Modric rarely got any but was by far the best passer we had at the time, imo of course.

Carrick was a better passer.

 

[KingKay]

Soldado shows glimpses of brilliance with his movement and vision; the finishing will come if he can just get a run of games scoring goals. Unfortunately unless Kane gets injured, he isn't going to get that game time.

Lamela on the other hand has shown pretty much nothing, barring a ridiculous goal that he probably should have hit in a more orthodox manner anyway. There's very few positives to cling to apart from his work rate.

Sell up and move on I say, he's starting to cost the team.

Yeah, I'm not an apologist of Lamela, but you've clearly got that completely arse-about-face there.

So you're saying Lamela's movement and vision is better than Soldado's? If so I find that amazing.

I used that as an example to set them apart but in reality neither of them have got much going for them at the minute.

 

[KingKay]

Double post.

 

[dazzabee]

Re Lamela - If anyone has anything to offer me other than potential please do let me know. Cheers.

 

[jezz]

most of these stats are completely and utterly pointless, any outsider viewing this thread would be thinking what a bunch of fucking weirdos. the tribalism is part and parcel but the number gonks are getting out of hand.

And the people who dismiss them as well are in equal Measure

 

[mrlilywhite]

I get your argument that you don't think a player's transfer fee should play a part in how we assess them (I don't agree with it, but I acknowledge it's one way of looking at things). But with reference to the part of your post that I've bolded, are you trying to say that people give Eriksen an easier time than Lamela purely because of Eriksen's goal record? I mean, there's no denying that Eriksen's goal record *is* and should be more celebrated than Lamela's, but if you're saying that's the only difference in their overall contribution to our first team then I'd massively, MASSIVELY disagree.

Well you tell me what the difference is then, because other than goals (Which is undoubtedly Eriksen's domain), from an attacking pov there is not that much between them. Key passes from Eriksen are 2.2pg and Lamela is 1pg. Given that Eriksen is probably our focal point, thats not great margins. Generally the stats tell me the whole picture, and not the fact that Eriksen is easier on the eye. Both of them can and need to massively improve and overall our creativity is not that great. In all competitions our total assists from our regular creative 3 is poor when relative to teams around us, a grand total of 11, Cesc fabragas has 18 on his own and Tadic and ward-prowse have 13 between them.

 

[mrlilywhite]

Its subjective, but if you believe there's a better passer in the team fine. It's not all about assists anyway, Modric rarely got any but was by far the best passer we had at the time, imo of course.

Yes because Modric played a more deeper role, and was often referred to as the assist maker. It's where your making those passes from that determines your passing ability imo.