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Because the strength of the squad, not just the first team will influence our success, if we can improve our squad options, we will improve our overall strength and chance of finishing higher.

So it's not just about the strength of your first 11, if the players who come in are drastically sub standard you will ultimately suffer. Arsenal's third choice CB is Vermalen right now, Chelsea have Terry, Cahill, Luiz, Ivanovic who can play there, ManU have Ferdinand , Vidic, Smalling, Jones, Evans, ManC have just added Demichalis to their CB back up ranks. Even Liverpool have three better quality CB's than us (and better fb's).

We have the weakest defensive group in the top 6, and upgrading Dawson is vital.

Honestly, BeeCee - if Daws was a sheet of paper you'd rip him into a million pieces and flush him down the toilet! :rolleyes:

If/when Kaboul returns, assuming he is near his best, our first two will be pretty strong. If Chiriches is anywhere near as good as some bill him Dawson will soon enough be fourth choice - surely even you can accept that he is a reasonable player to have as 3rd/4th choice?

As said elsewhere, I think you are underestimating our defensive unit (starting with Lloris, and ending in central midfield). Results, goals conceded and clean sheets aren't telling that many lies, surely.
 

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Honestly, BeeCee - if Daws was a sheet of paper you'd rip him into a million pieces and flush him down the toilet! :rolleyes:

If/when Kaboul returns, assuming he is near his best, our first two will be pretty strong. If Chiriches is anywhere near as good as some bill him Dawson will soon enough be fourth choice - surely even you can accept that he is a reasonable player to have as 3rd/4th choice?

As said elsewhere, I think you are underestimating our defensive unit (starting with Lloris, and ending in central midfield). Results, goals conceded and clean sheets aren't telling that many lies, surely.

lol its funny how some statistics are held up as being the so important but something like clean sheets is completely ignored. Dawson gets alot of shit too for his long balls out of defence, he has done them under Jol, Harry and AVB. If he wasn't being instrusted to attempt these he would be told to cut it out, just saying.
 

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Totally agree!

Man Utd have always had players like this in their numerous title winning squads. Players that wouldn't really make it at other top clubs but are willing to work hard and make a contribution at a club that they love. Could we get better than Defoe, Lennon or Dawson to sit our bench or even be prepared to sit on our bench? No, not for this side of £30 million at the very least.

People are talking about Chiriches being above Dawson in the pecking order? Or Lennon being on his way out now that we have Lamela and Head down Townsend? Or Defoe being behind the very good but barren Soldado? Put simply, Lennon is a first choice player. Dawson has been a first choice player who has fought his way into the side for his entire career under numerous managers. Defoe is our 5th highest ever goal scorer.

These players will all get plenty of game time this season.
nonsense. apart from Lamela and Soldado, every other player we've ever signed has cost well below £30m, so that notion is a complete fallacy.

by the way, you're seriously kidding yourself if you believe Lennon is first-choice, and Defoe being our 5th top scorer really is meaningless.
 

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nonsense. apart from Lamela and Soldado, every other player we've ever signed has cost well below £30m, so that notion is a complete fallacy.

by the way, you're seriously kidding yourself if you believe Lennon is first-choice, and Defoe being our 5th top scorer really is meaningless.

Please fucking explain this, how in the name of good fuck is being our 5th all time goal scorer meaningless? Have we really came this far that its all about success right now and nothing else matters? I really hope not.
 

samsonlevi

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It's simple.... AVB is protecting lamela and waiting until he KNOWS he is ready on and off the pitch to show us and the prem what he can do! just the same as he did last year with loris!!

Recent examples of when a manager has not protected players who sign for big money.....

The young united goalie in his first year - granted that he came through that and is good but had a torrid first 12 months.

Shevchencho - moved for a big fee, didn't produce and press and opposition fans got straight on him back!

Lamela will be in when either he is ready or the team start to lose!! At the moment we are fortunate we can settle him in first!!

Calm down....AVB has got this!!
 

PeeEyeEmPee

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Please fucking explain this, how in the name of good fuck is being our 5th all time goal scorer meaningless? Have we really came this far that its all about success right now and nothing else matters? I really hope not.

maybe I should've said irrelevant to the argument instead. what does it tell us about him, other than he's been a decent servant for the club (even though I hate that term)? is he anywhere near the best 5 players we've had at the club? nope. best 5 in his position? nope. have his goals led to any sort of success? nope. other than knowing Greaves was our top-scorer, I can't say I was ever aware of the names and numbers on the list either....I'm not trying to belittle him or anything, but I just don't know that this "achievement" is much more than a statistical inevitability.
 

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Improving on players is one thing, fair enough but to say "we're past" players who are still giving good and providing use to the club is just wrong IMO, we're not bloody Real Madrid.

We've improved upon them in a sense of looking at just our starting 11, but I for one am delighted to have players like Defoe and Lennon as options from the bench.

I am really looking foward to Lamela on one side, Ericson on the other- swapping a bit to confuse the opposition and Soldado getting some service/ follow ups from their efforts. Having others from the bench would be fantastic esp. if they are a little different. So Chadli, Siggy, Lennon and Defoe from the bench- WOW this is Spurs and I'm EXCITED!
 

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maybe I should've said irrelevant to the argument instead. what does it tell us about him, other than he's been a decent servant for the club (even though I hate that term)? is he anywhere near the best 5 players we've had at the club? nope. best 5 in his position? nope. have his goals led to any sort of success? nope. other than knowing Greaves was our top-scorer, I can't say I was ever aware of the names and numbers on the list either....I'm not trying to belittle him or anything, but I just don't know that this "achievement" is much more than a statistical inevitability.

I personally think its something that should be applauded, wheather you like him or not, being the top 5 goal scorers in our clubs history is an achievement, IMO of course. Your argument that unless the team wins anything there should be no applause, no appreciation for anyone in the team? Come on I dont by that one bit, if that were the case us Spurs fans would appreciated no one in our team and we would be all a buch of moany bastards.
 

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There's a precedent to consider here:

Promising young wide forward/winger, leaves a big Italian club to come to North London, has a slow start to his career in England.

Let's face it, if he does as well for us as Thierry Henry did for the Goons he'll be worth every last penny of that transfer fee.
 

sloth

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There's a precedent to consider here:

Promising young wide forward/winger, leaves a big Italian club to come to North London, has a slow start to his career in England.

Let's face it, if he does as well for us as Thierry Henry did for the Goons he'll be worth every last penny of that transfer fee.


I thought they got Henry from Monaco?
 

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maybe I should've said irrelevant to the argument instead. what does it tell us about him, other than he's been a decent servant for the club (even though I hate that term)? is he anywhere near the best 5 players we've had at the club? nope. best 5 in his position? nope. have his goals led to any sort of success? nope. other than knowing Greaves was our top-scorer, I can't say I was ever aware of the names and numbers on the list either....I'm not trying to belittle him or anything, but I just don't know that this "achievement" is much more than a statistical inevitability.

So does that make Sir Tom Finney not as great, or even Jurgen or Ginola or even Gazza (one FA Cup win aside)? I think by trying to gauge/qualify how well a player has performed by the trophies he has won is dangerous territory with us. Considering our assumed status we haven't actually won that much, especially when put into context alongside individual 'greats' and some of our competitors.
 

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maybe I should've said irrelevant to the argument instead. what does it tell us about him, other than he's been a decent servant for the club (even though I hate that term)? is he anywhere near the best 5 players we've had at the club? nope. best 5 in his position? nope. have his goals led to any sort of success? nope. other than knowing Greaves was our top-scorer, I can't say I was ever aware of the names and numbers on the list either....I'm not trying to belittle him or anything, but I just don't know that this "achievement" is much more than a statistical inevitability.


You weren't aware of Spurs legends like Smith, Chivers & Jones?

And scoring 139 goals for Spurs is not much more than a statistical inevitability, rightyo.
 

thinktank

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Awww TT I thought you would put Daws forward for that award :love:. :D
Yeah, that's why I only said 'in the mix'... it's highly likely that Dawsy will cast a long diagonal shadow over the others and dive-into the lead come the end of the season and cross the winning line and get the award.

No doubt the others will call foul play.

Gotta love 'im. (y);)
 

Syn_13

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No, he had one season at Juve stuck out on the wing before Wenger signed him. I bet someone at Juve is still kicking themselves over that cock up.

Not really, we still went on to have plenty of success, much more than Arsenal anyway. Sometimes players just don't suit some clubs or leagues.
 
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