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JimmyG2

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Dec 7, 2006
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Welcome, Harry, to the real world of Tottenham Hotspur Football Club. I expect you thought you´d cracked it after our second squad thrashed Liverpool´s second squad 4-2 in the Carling Cup. Bent has been on fire and then both our support strikers scored two, three in 7 minutes to overwhelm Liverpool. Of course we conceded a couple from corners but hey four goals is plenty for most games.

Against Fulham a strong team at home this season and not one of our bankers like Arsenal, Chelsea and Man. City (and now Liverpool of course) I bet you thought we would walk it, with Ledley, Jenas, Woodgate and Modric returning to the team how could we not.

But the thing is Harry we don´t do bread and butter. Its a bit like Gomes really. Give him a Bullard screamer arrowing its way into the top corner and he will fly like a bird and tip it one-handed over the bar. As he did against us for PSV in the UEFA cup, last minute against Keane as I remember. Give him a Davies flat shot come cross which takes a minute deflection off Woodgate and he spills it into the net.

So Gomes so very Tottenham. Give them top four opposition, a selection of petit fours if you will, or semi finals, an almond croissant, or finals, a selection of profiteroles and eclairs, and they will rise like ticket prices to the occasion. Give them a run of the mill match against a solid but basically ordinary team, but with a sprinkling of ex-Spurs to give them added motivation and the result is a forgone conclusion. Wigan, Stoke, Hull, Middlesbrough, Sunderland, all from Hovis country ,and we play like my cat. We inspect the fare on offer, sniff a little and sit waiting for something more delectable to turn up.

Yes, yes Gomes gifted them the opener and yes Modric our brightest spark went off with a groin strain at half time but, apart from our late goal which was a thing of beauty, and very well taken by Campbell, and which made the rest of the performance even more puzzling , we offered little. Huddlestone had one of his more contemplative games and was rightly substituted; Bale and Zokora were enthusiastic but ineffective; Jenas tried and made the goal with a good run from halfway; Woodgate and Ledley apart from a rush of blood when he tried to set up Zamora with a back header were sound enough.

But truthfully Fulham were dominant in defence, bossed the midfield and Zamora and Johnson gave us problems all the afternoon. How many of the Fulham team would get into the Spurs squad? Well four of them were ex-Spurs to start with. On the performance I suppose you would have to say most of them, but really would we sign any?

We would have gratefully accepted our current position when Harry arrived and the new manager bounce was bound to wear off soon, but who would have thought it would be at Fulham after our performances against Liverpool , Arsenal and Man.City. Well most Spurs fans would probably and now Harry can join the real Tottenham.

Truthfully this is really how we like it. Bread and butter is such stodgy fare, it fills you up but really doesn't satisfy all those secret urges and longings. Cakes are so much more romantic, they have so much more style and panache. Think chocolate almond torte and you are closing in on the qualities of Tottenham. Bread sustains over the long term, you know like a grinding 38 game league programme but its the excitement of special occasions and major games that gets our creative juices flowing. We don´t do bread and butter, haven't for years. Let them eat cake Harry, let them eat cake.
 

guate

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Well done JimmyG2. I can see that you've taken Rob's suggestion and mailed us your thoughts, which incidentally reflect the way most of us feel right now, after the Fulham loss last Saturday.

It's never easy with Spurs, but as you say, would we want it any other way ??

QUE VIVA LOS SPURS
 

spurs_viola

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Yes, will be very interesting to see how Harry reacts to this sadly unsurprising result.
Will he give these players some bread and butter discipline now rather than just the cake he has apparently been giving them since he joined?

And how long will they agree to take it?
 

rupsmith

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Huddlestone had one of his more contemplative games ............

I couldnt stop laughing at this one. It describes him perfectly when he has a bad game. Play up the Hudd!!! Hell of a player when he's up for it like Liverpool in the cup.

But yeah as someone said it will be interesting to see if Harry gives them a bollocking or the old hand around shoulder. Me thinks the former to get them going again.
 

Paxtonite

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Well done JimmyG2. I can see that you've taken Rob's suggestion and mailed us your thoughts, which incidentally reflect the way most of us feel right now, after the Fulham loss last Saturday.

It's never easy with Spurs, but as you say, would we want it any other way ??

QUE VIVA LOS SPURS

I think you will find that some of us would want it another way. I want some bread and butter because cakes just make you fat and lazy!

That's a good article by the way, but just because things are what they are it does not mean that we don't want to win the bread and butter games. How good did it feel when we finished fifth the first time under Jol. THAT'S what we want to see. Consistency.

But sadly all we get is sugar and icing with nothing to sustain us.

As far as that particular Fulham game goes, the one positive thing Jenas did led to a goal. I'm not even sure if Bale or Bentley were playing and there were just too many below par performances at the same time.

Blackburn at home next. That sounds like bread and butter.......
 

thetallaghttiger

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May 18, 2005
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well said Jimmy!

I was kind of thinking we'd have enough about us to get a point from Fulham, but of course, we were flat and poor as we always seem to be against 'lower' teams!

Funny that we still play like that when we're bloody 19th in the league! Eek :oops:
 

pistolP

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I think you will find that some of us would want it another way. I want some bread and butter because cakes just make you fat and lazy!

That's a good article by the way, but just because things are what they are it does not mean that we don't want to win the bread and butter games. How good did it feel when we finished fifth the first time under Jol. THAT'S what we want to see. Consistency.

But sadly all we get is sugar and icing with nothing to sustain us.

As far as that particular Fulham game goes, the one positive thing Jenas did led to a goal. I'm not even sure if Bale or Bentley were playing and there were just too many below par performances at the same time.

Blackburn at home next. That sounds like bread and butter.......

Blackburn bread and butter game, we are in trouble then.
 

Riandor

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May 26, 2004
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As it says in the commentary for FIFA 09 (on Xbox), SPurs are a cup team who have always underperformed in the league.

We play like a cup team... and as such rise (frequently all be it not always) to the big occassions.

We destroyed Liverpool... oh yes, in the Cup, we beat Arsenal 5-1... yep in the cup. Chelsea? Cup. Even Ramos got our seriously underperfoming team to beat Newcastle AWAY... in the CUP!

League performances, Chelsea - draw, Arsenal - draw (all be it good come back), Liverpool - fluke win and on top lose against all the promoted teams + those who flirt with relegation year on year.

We just don't seem to be up for playing week in week out for whatever reason! I say we are still lacking true leadership on the pitch. We have a talented squad, but no one really takes the players by the scruff of the neck and gets them going against the "so-called" lesser teams.

Seriously, with the amount of money thrown at this club, it is shocking how we have never managed better than 2x 5th place finishes.

Something fundamental needs to change, but as we slip down the league, the cups yet again become a priority due to wanting European football.

That's fine, but at some point I believe we might need to re-focus and play more 2nd string players in the Carling Cup and say to the 1st team players that they have to focus solely on the league.

R.
 

JimmyG2

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Yep,Malbranque it was .Excuse an old man's faltering memory.
Sandwiches is a nice idea.Bread in anourishing but slightly fancier form.We might be able to put something together there.
Got a nasty feeling it will end up as olive ciabatto with devon cream cheese and sun dried tomato though rather than chedder cheese and mighty white.
 

DC_Boy

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May 20, 2005
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many good points in this article - it's worth pointing out though that since football resumed in 1946 I believe we have the fifth best lge position average in the whole country - I read this on another site a while back - the guy (he wasn't a spurs fan) - had done an enormous amount of reserch and intutively it seems correct to me.

the top five are Man U Pool AFC Toffees Spurs

so if (and I can see arguments on both sides on this one) we have underperformed in the lge - what does that say about the clubs below us like Leeds Toon Chelsea Mackems Spammers City Boro Forest Villa etc

Of course some people will want to concentrate on the Prem years (which is a bias I don't agree with, but still it's quite common) even there we are one of only 7 ever-presents and I believe our average lge position during those years would put us in 8th spot (I think the other 6 plus Toon beat us)

again that leaves some 90 professional clubs (there are approx 100 such in lge and blue square I believe) below us

so again, on the surface at least, some far worse underperforming from the likes of Leeds City and Forest for example

aha but what about money spent?

yep there is a point about that - probably net spend and wages (and we have to allow for at least 10% 'London weighting' when comparing us to Northern teams) would mean that we are the 6th biggest spenders in the prem years - behind the big 4 & toon - however Leeds relative spending compared to their relative lge average makes them bigger underperformers than us

so that puts our 8th highest positon in terms of lge positions (I'm going from guesswork on the 8th here - but I doubt it's wrong) compared to 7th in relative spending vis a vis lge performance

hardly a massive underacheivement

It's true too that we have failed to make CL - so that's a big blow against us lge-wise

but again outside the big 4 how much have other clubs done in the CL ?

one semi-final from leeds - not sure re Toon's best shot - not much from Rovers & Toffees

fact is outside the big 4 no-one's done much lge-wise in the prem years except for a few years from Toon & Rovers - and both those were bubbles blown up by spending way in excess of what we've ever spent in a short period - in relative terms - (Rovers spending for example was huge for the time - and in complete disproportion to their income)

Nevertheless, I accept we are a Cup team primarily, and we could and should have done better lge-wise compared to our spending (net spend + wages -London weighting for some proper accuracy)

But, we still have outperformed post-war, 95% of other lge clubs in the terms of consistency lge-wise (ie we are in a very elite 5%) and in terms of the prem years we still have outperformed 90% of other lge clubs in the terms of consistency lge-wise (ie we are in the top 10% of clubs), so we are hardly massively underperforming when it comes to 'bread and butter' consistency.
 
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